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 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:13 pm
Well, I decided to go ahead and drop some gold for this new and improved guild.
The goal of the Anti-Bullshido Guild is to expose fraudulent martial artists on Gaia and to inform our fellow Gaians of bullshit martial artists, MA, and dojos which run rampant through out the world. The majority of us are very blunt and brash. We will call bullshit on any statement that is exceptionally fishy/suspicious.
We are here to open the eyes to deluded martial artists.
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:24 pm
==NEW REQUIRMENT FOR THOSE WHO JUST JOINED==
You must fill out the stickied Guild Profile thread
Meh, some rules and such:
1. NO BULLSHIDO CLAIMS!!!
2. No spamming
3. No bitching and whining about how people are dissing your art, unless you have NON-ANECDOTAL* evidence to back your stance.
4. Excessive use of smilies is frowned upon...do so and be flamed.
5. Try to follow the TOS as best as possible
6. Don't argue with Jass or Delmar_Denban....its futile
If you don't follow numbers 1 and 2....you'll get banned FOREVER!!!!!1111!!!
I'll add some more rules later. If any of the members have suggestions on the rules, drop me a PM.
*as in, no stories of how "I saw so and so do this one time" or "My master once did this and that"
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:28 pm
--Tips on spotting Bullshido--
Terminology first
Bullshido: Usually to describe a bullshit martial art style or philosophy.
McDojo/Dojang/Kwoon: These are training schools which are HIGHLY commercial, teach shi.tty techniques(which most of the time can get you killed IRL), and hand out belts like nothing(black belt in 2 years or less).
Now, here are some tips for spotting a bullshido artist:
-If he/she brags about gaining a blackbelt in 2 or less years...bullshido
-If he/she claims that they've created the "ULT1M1T3 TEKN33K!!!!1111!!"...bullshido
-If he/she claims to have started their own style and has graciously given themselves a high rank in the style(say, 10th dan?)...bullshido
-If he/she claims that they can manipulate their qi/chi/ki at will...bullshido
-If they make claims that they can teach you how to street fight in a small amount of time(or any amount of time actually)...bullshido
-If they make claims that they can take on multiple persons with ease...bullshido
-If they claim they can successfully disarm a gunman/knifeman(because they "practice" it with friends rolleyes )...bullshido
-If they make claims of high fighting skill yet back out the minute you challenge them to a match....bullshido
-If they do accept the challenge yet set up a butt load of rules that obviously favor him/her...bullshido
Also, my friends, do not fear the fighter who is oh so willing to show off their fancy aerial kicks. Those types of techniques are only good for demonstration....street effectiveness is non-existant in those kicks. DO fear the full contact fighter, however. Boxers, wrestlers, thai boxers, Brazillian Ju-Jitsu fighters,Cage/Vale Tudo fighters, Kali fighters, and Silat fighters ARE something to look out for.
Tips on spotting a McDojo/Dojang/Kwoon:
-If they use high pressure tactics to get you to sign up...McDojo
-If the instructors look like they could use a bit more exercise...McDojo
-If the place is handing out belts with each and every check clearance...McDojo
-If the place does not agree with competition or testing ones fighting ability against another opponent outside the school...McDojo
-If sparring is completely out of the training curriculum...McDojo
-If they teach you katas/poomse/forms yet do not explain to you what each movement is...McDojo
-If it becomes apparent that you can beat the living hell out of your Sensei/Sifu/Sabomnim...McDojo
-If they have people making black belt in 2 years or less(depending on circumstance, of course...there are exceptions)
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:23 am
a few more signs of bullshido I've experienced or seen:
- require new members to sign a contract which has a three month concellation fee attached... no s**t my last instructor started making people sign this highly dubious contract that basically meant you had to carry on paying him for three months after quitting...
- uses a debt collection agency to collect training fees...
- When advertising the club makes no mention of the martial art practised, or refers to one martial art but teaches another. Refers to the club as any of the following:
Blackbelt academy
Fitness and self defence academy
Family Martial Arts academy
[Insert random mythical creature/SE asian word here] Martial Arts Academy. You can actually have quite good fun with this: You need three containers to draw from. For the first write out on scraps of paper various colours and descriptions like black, red, mighty, furious, flying etc anything that sounds vaguely martial arty. For the second box, write out on bits of paper various creatures, random SE asian wards and body parts, like dragon, snake, shaolin, ninja, nam pai, fist. Feel free to make some up like quinkchong, chaing, pui etc. In the last box have various martial arts followed by a word for club, like karate school, kungfu club, taekwon do academy. Then draw one at random from each box and put them together for hilarious results...
- Is unaffiliated with any association, or is associated with bullsido associations. Examples in UK TKD include: TAGB and UKTA (both very big and very corrupt). The UKTA for example will give blackbelts to anyone with enough students, i know this for a fact
- Grades people in house, i.e. doesn't have external examiners
- Promotes the sale of club parafenalia... paraffinalia... para... accessories, such as tracksuits, bags, caps, cups, pencills, club logo'd sparring gear.
- Conducts marketing aimed towards kids...
- Refuses to spar anyone they might lose to. If they do spar, and they lose use bullshit excuses like "I wasn't wearing sparring gear so couldn't go all out", "I had to concentrate on keeping an eye on the class" etc etc
- Favouritism: Including: blatent discrepancies between the amount of money various students pay, the amount of time they spend between gradings and the amount of attention they receive in class. Making most students observe correct courtesy yet allowing others to do what they wish, including not wearing correct training clothing, swearing in class, joining the class part way in for no real reason and behaving in a generally retardish way
- The instructor cannot have the business in their own name due criminal convictions and/or bankrupcy
- No lineage or refuses to tell students who they graded under
- The grading requirement is simply learning the kata/pattern/poomse/form in a half arsed way
Phew rant over... I'll add more if i think of any
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:55 pm
Turned this into an announcement for viewing purposes.
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:23 am
Just a note, I don't agree with all of the above. (Just closed the thread where I ranted about this.)
Not belonging to some federation does not necessary signal bullshido. Some schools prefer not to belong to a federation/association because of the politics involved. Judo was almost split into half because some schools didn't agree with the new uniform regulations that the federation started imposing on all schools.
Also, some special styles, like Aikido, do not have real sparring in the curriculum because of the nature of the art. Instead, in replacement, we have something called randori where people keep attacking and you have to respond to the attacks.
Depending on how big the school is and whether it's in any federations, sometimes there will be in-house examiners. The trick is to see the requirements for the test, how long and hard the tests are, and whether it's just an affair of "going through the motions". Usually you can tell this not from the sensei/sifu/etc but from how other students feel about the tests. (Usually if the students dread the tests and feels dead afterwards, that's a good sign that it's not that easy.)
This is mostly speaking from my own experience as I know that my school is not a bullshido but that it has chosen to take the paths, such as not belonging to federations for the stated reasons.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:16 am
Lunaries Just a note, I don't agree with all of the above. (Just closed the thread where I ranted about this.) Not belonging to some federation does not necessary signal bullshido. Some schools prefer not to belong to a federation/association because of the politics involved. Judo was almost split into half because some schools didn't agree with the new uniform regulations that the federation started imposing on all schools. Also, some special styles, like Aikido, do not have real sparring in the curriculum because of the nature of the art. Instead, in replacement, we have something called randori where people keep attacking and you have to respond to the attacks. Depending on how big the school is and whether it's in any federations, sometimes there will be in-house examiners. The trick is to see the requirements for the test, how long and hard the tests are, and whether it's just an affair of "going through the motions". Usually you can tell this not from the sensei/sifu/etc but from how other students feel about the tests. (Usually if the students dread the tests and feels dead afterwards, that's a good sign that it's not that easy.) This is mostly speaking from my own experience as I know that my school is not a bullshido but that it has chosen to take the paths, such as not belonging to federations for the stated reasons. Ok thats fair enough, the kungfu school I've started at does in house grading and is light on sparring, but to me those are warning signs, and I've concluded it isn't bullshido despite those things. Does your sensei continue to recieve training? I believe you've mentioned that you got in some uber high blackbelt from Japan in one time? That shows that your instructor may not be affilated but still continues to improve the quality of the their MA knowledge and hasn't simply declared themselves the grand high daddy of everything and teaches whatever bollocks they like without any form of outside moderation
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:33 am
DarklingGlory Ok thats fair enough, the kungfu school I've started at does in house grading and is light on sparring, but to me those are warning signs, and I've concluded it isn't bullshido despite those things. Does your sensei continue to recieve training? I believe you've mentioned that you got in some uber high blackbelt from Japan in one time? That shows that your instructor may not be affilated but still continues to improve the quality of the their MA knowledge and hasn't simply declared themselves the grand high daddy of everything and teaches whatever bollocks they like without any form of outside moderation that is very true. Sometimes it's more a judgement call. My sensei does train still. In fact, he 'spars' with one of my sempais often, knowing that he can take it. He also watches alot of recommended videos from Japan (often getting his Japanese wife to translate) and we still have sensei's visiting. Though we are not affiliated with a federation, we do have connections in Japan that we call "sister dojos", schools that are opened by friends of the founder of our dojo, teaching similiar styles. We are all invited to go visit in Japan and train with them.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:23 am
I was under the impression that randori is a GOOD thing.
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:08 am
Bruce-Ganked-Lee I was under the impression that randori is a GOOD thing. Yes it is, that's what I mean. Randori instead of sparring can be a valid substitute.
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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:43 am
Another thing that I want to see is that all members post topics in the relevant subforums.
If you've got media then post it in the media subforum etc!
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