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Ricette

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:08 am


I've been reading a few books and somethig caught my attention. Jesus never heard the wor dJesus or the words Jesus Christ. He heard Y'usha. You guys do things in the name of Jesus. If you were to meet him and say that you did things in his name he will tell you to go away and you would be evildoers. You never did things in Y'usha's name. You did them in the wrong name people! I know you all will hate me for htis and go ahead and ban me if you wish. But I have been reading all sorts of books and if you look at Matthew 7:22 you will see the verse I speak of. Jesus never knew the name Jesus Christ. He was called Y'usha. Not Jesus. Just thought I wouldopen your eyes to that. I am not doing this in a sugar coated way I know but I am so sick of tryin gto bring everything about in a sugar coating. You guys don't pay me much attention as it is so I am sure this will be ignored but I thought I would open your eyes to what you have been doing. Doing things in the name of Jesus when you should be doing thins in the name is Y'usha. His actual name.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:51 pm


Jesus is an english-ification translation of his name in hebrew, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, Yeshua (or however it is spelt) might have been the thing they called him when Jesus was in jerusalem, but it really doesn't matter. No matter if we call Him Jesus, Y'usha. Yeshua, Jesus Christo, or the same thing in any other languag, as long as we love Him, we are all children of His and our salvation is just as assured.

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Litia_Echo

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:31 pm


Its all a matter of langauge. Plus do you really think Jesus would say away from me, even though you did so many wonderful things for Him, served Him whole heartly and was just radical and just on fire for God. Told everyone about Him, was sentive to the guidence of the Holy Spirit and the whole ten yards, just because you said in the name of Jesus? Cause His name is Jesus in English. Common now, not be silly! Does it matter that people call on God in different languages, its not God in every language, there are many different translations for things. Languages sweetie, langauges wink
PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:42 pm


I looked up the bible verse. Matthew 7: 22 says this, "Many will say to Me in the day, 'Lord, Lord, have you not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" From the, Extreme Teen Bible, New King James Version. That's all it says, this says nothing to give you a valid point to carry on a debate with or to prove your theory. It doesn't give the correct name, that I think is refering more to those who are hipocrites or along those lines.

I have also taken the liberty of searching through all the Bibles I have available to me for my reasearch and me and a friend found this.

Acts 16:18 Teen Study Bible, New King James Version.
She lept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit left her.

Acts 16:18 Extreme Teen Study Bible, New King James Version.
And this she did for many days. But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And he came out that very hour.

See the name, Jesus Christ. It just deals with language and translation, but we all have our beliefs. What is wrong is that you declared those who believe otherwise were wrong and you were right, without sufficent facts to support yourself.

Arrea Delano


Miami Dolphins Fan

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:00 pm


that word is the hewbrew for jesus the bible tells us anything declared in jesus's name will come to pass.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:07 pm


In different languages, things are spelled different and sound different. Jesus is the English form of Y'usha. Its the same thing, just in a different language. Its not like we are talking about a different God. It means all the same.

"Doing things in the name of Jesus when you should be doing thins in the name is Y'usha. His actual name. "

Yeah but we are still talking about the same person. Im not going to hell because I called upon the name of Jesus. Jesus is what I know him by. He has many different names anyways. He has no problem with me calling Him Jesus. He answeres to it when I ask Him things. Normally, I say Jesus and He will say what? or yes Kelly?

Good example of this name thing. My brothers name is Joseph. (joe-sef) In like Italian or something, the SAME name is Josepi. (yo-sep-i). Its the same exact name. Just spelled and pronounced differently. In that country, they would still be referring to the same person, my brother.

So, I know him by Jesus, and thats what I will always call Him. There are much more important things to worry about rather than arguing about which name is the correct name for God. The answer is, All of them. He will answer to any of these names, because they all refer to Him. They all are meant for us to call Him by. There is nothing wrong with any of Gods names.

If you dont want to call Him Jesus, Thats fine. You can call Him Y'usha, or even Jehovah. But im not going to hell because I dont call Him Y'usha. I knwo God as Jesus. And He knows that is what I call Him. He answers to it. Call me a liar if you want. But I know what I hear, and I stand by the truth untill I die.

By the way, Dont tell me im going to Hell. You dont even know me. I KNOW Jesus personally. Im going out on the first load when the trumpet sounds, and my God comes down in the clouds. Im going to be shouting and rejoicing in the air while im going to heaven. So I hope to see yall there with me. CANT WAIT! Jesus is coming back soon. Be ready.

`Kel`


LittlePinky82

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:19 am


You should want to do things just because. Not only because of Jesus's name. Sure he can be inspiring to you but that shouldn't be your sole purpose. If you see someone who needs a helping hand you should just do it because you want to.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:20 am


Crimson_Enigma
I looked up the bible verse. Matthew 7: 22 says this, "Many will say to Me in the day, 'Lord, Lord, have you not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" From the, Extreme Teen Bible, New King James Version. That's all it says, this says nothing to give you a valid point to carry on a debate with or to prove your theory. It doesn't give the correct name, that I think is refering more to those who are hipocrites or along those lines.

I have also taken the liberty of searching through all the Bibles I have available to me for my reasearch and me and a friend found this.

Acts 16:18 Teen Study Bible, New King James Version.
She lept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit left her.

Acts 16:18 Extreme Teen Study Bible, New King James Version.
And this she did for many days. But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And he came out that very hour.

See the name, Jesus Christ. It just deals with language and translation, but we all have our beliefs. What is wrong is that you declared those who believe otherwise were wrong and you were right, without sufficent facts to support yourself.


He was casting demons out of a person. Not helping the poor person down the street who you see everyday. Do you remember the story of the old woman who gave all she had to the church? Why was she the best in that story? It was her heart. Not because of Jesus.

LittlePinky82


LittlePinky82

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:23 am


`Kel`
In different languages, things are spelled different and sound different. Jesus is the English form of Y'usha. Its the same thing, just in a different language. Its not like we are talking about a different God. It means all the same.

"Doing things in the name of Jesus when you should be doing thins in the name is Y'usha. His actual name. "

Yeah but we are still talking about the same person. Im not going to hell because I called upon the name of Jesus. Jesus is what I know him by. He has many different names anyways. He has no problem with me calling Him Jesus. He answeres to it when I ask Him things. Normally, I say Jesus and He will say what? or yes Kelly?

Good example of this name thing. My brothers name is Joseph. (joe-sef) In like Italian or something, the SAME name is Josepi. (yo-sep-i). Its the same exact name. Just spelled and pronounced differently. In that country, they would still be referring to the same person, my brother.

So, I know him by Jesus, and thats what I will always call Him. There are much more important things to worry about rather than arguing about which name is the correct name for God. The answer is, All of them. He will answer to any of these names, because they all refer to Him. They all are meant for us to call Him by. There is nothing wrong with any of Gods names.

If you dont want to call Him Jesus, Thats fine. You can call Him Y'usha, or even Jehovah. But im not going to hell because I dont call Him Y'usha. I knwo God as Jesus. And He knows that is what I call Him. He answers to it. Call me a liar if you want. But I know what I hear, and I stand by the truth untill I die.

By the way, Dont tell me im going to Hell. You dont even know me. I KNOW Jesus personally. Im going out on the first load when the trumpet sounds, and my God comes down in the clouds. Im going to be shouting and rejoicing in the air while im going to heaven. So I hope to see yall there with me. CANT WAIT! Jesus is coming back soon. Be ready.


I find it interesting how you tell someone else not to say you're going to hell and then you turn around and just proclaim you're going to Heaven. Christ has said "not everybody who says Lord, Lord will come to Heaven." You can know God and Christ all you want but in the end only God is your judge and not yourself. I find it very arrogant that you can proudly proclaim something that nobody knows.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:12 pm


LittlePinky82
`Kel`
In different languages, things are spelled different and sound different. Jesus is the English form of Y'usha. Its the same thing, just in a different language. Its not like we are talking about a different God. It means all the same.

"Doing things in the name of Jesus when you should be doing thins in the name is Y'usha. His actual name. "

Yeah but we are still talking about the same person. Im not going to hell because I called upon the name of Jesus. Jesus is what I know him by. He has many different names anyways. He has no problem with me calling Him Jesus. He answeres to it when I ask Him things. Normally, I say Jesus and He will say what? or yes Kelly?

Good example of this name thing. My brothers name is Joseph. (joe-sef) In like Italian or something, the SAME name is Josepi. (yo-sep-i). Its the same exact name. Just spelled and pronounced differently. In that country, they would still be referring to the same person, my brother.

So, I know him by Jesus, and thats what I will always call Him. There are much more important things to worry about rather than arguing about which name is the correct name for God. The answer is, All of them. He will answer to any of these names, because they all refer to Him. They all are meant for us to call Him by. There is nothing wrong with any of Gods names.

If you dont want to call Him Jesus, Thats fine. You can call Him Y'usha, or even Jehovah. But im not going to hell because I dont call Him Y'usha. I knwo God as Jesus. And He knows that is what I call Him. He answers to it. Call me a liar if you want. But I know what I hear, and I stand by the truth untill I die.

By the way, Dont tell me im going to Hell. You dont even know me. I KNOW Jesus personally. Im going out on the first load when the trumpet sounds, and my God comes down in the clouds. Im going to be shouting and rejoicing in the air while im going to heaven. So I hope to see yall there with me. CANT WAIT! Jesus is coming back soon. Be ready.


I find it interesting how you tell someone else not to say you're going to hell and then you turn around and just proclaim you're going to Heaven. Christ has said "not everybody who says Lord, Lord will come to Heaven." You can know God and Christ all you want but in the end only God is your judge and not yourself. I find it very arrogant that you can proudly proclaim something that nobody knows.

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Im not being arrogant, and Im sorry to see a sister in Christ speaking to me that way. I was just praising God and speaking confident about where I stand. Im not judging myself. Im just rejoicing over what I have been given. He said I am His and that I am forgiven. I take it seriously. It makes me sad to think someone sees me this way. It dosnt say that nobody know whether I am going to heaven or not. But it does say that we can be confident about being pure and obedient in Gods eyes. where do I begin.

How Do I know I am going to heaven?

First of all I am forgiven. Yeah I make mistakes, im not perfect. (by any means) Jesus suffered and DIED so I could repent and be made blameless in the eyes of God. Not so I could wander this earth wondering. Am I saved? hmmm Im not sure... Am I going to heaven?? Well God died for me and I accepted Him and I live as an obedient Chrisitan... well still....Am I going to heaven??? WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME???? Will God ultimatly abandon me??? I would die if I had to wonder that my whole life. God dosnt want us to live in wonder and confusion. He wants us to live full confident lives.

"In the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory. Since this new covenant give us such confidence, we can be very bold." 2 Corinthians 3:11-12

"Now that we are set right with God by means of this sacrificial death, the consummate blood sacrafice
[Jesus, the new covenant], there is no longer a question of being at odds with God in any way. If, when we are at our worst, we were put on friendly terms with God by the sacraficial death of his Son, now that we're at our best, just think of how our lives will expand and deepen by means of his resurrection life." Romans 5:9-10 The Message

"The Lord your God is a merciful God; he will not abandon you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your forefathers, which he confirmed to them by oath" Deuteronomy 4:31 NIV

[Which means as long as a have a pure and obedient covenant with the Lord, and watch myself, and repent. He wont abandon me. If he does, then has lied. and my God dosnt lie]

"Do all you have to do without grumbling or arguing, so that you may be blameless and harmless, faultless children of God, living in a warped and diseased age, and shining like lights in a dark world" Philippians 2:14

"If you belong to Jesus Christ, you wont be punished." Romans 8:1 cev

[Thats the best explination yet]

"Whenever we need we should come BOLDLY [not proudly or arrogantly] before the throne of our merciful God. Hebrews" 4:16

"So there is no condemnation for those who belond to Christ Jesus. For the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you through Christ Jesus from the power of sin that leads to death" Romans 8:1-2


As Christians we are not apart of this world. We have chosen, and have been chosen to leave this world behind. The scripture you mentioned to me describes those Christians who cant seem to let the world go and at the same time try to call on God. Even Some Christians love worldly things more than God, and they dont even realize it. There are those who are truly Christians in the eyes of God. The pure and obedient Christians [the elect] are the ones he literally says he will take back to heaven with him. I could go on and on with more scriputure, but im running a fever from a little cold right now. Im going to go pray and take some niquil.

I hope this didnt hurt our friendship or anything. Your still a sister in Christ to me. I want you to know I would never do anything arrogently or proudly when it comes to my father. I understand that he is the ultimate judge for me. But I just know what He told me and taught me, and I was rejoicing about it. I take his words literally. Like when he says "If you belong to Jesus Christ, you wont be punished." Romans 8:1 cev. I go boldy before his throne.

Sorry if this dosnt have much to do with the thread, I had to defend my point

`Kel`


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:24 pm


funny to see old posts again (was a 2 month down time on this thread, from july 1 to september).

The main point said was that Jesus has many names, and it is the english translation of Y'shua. It's like saying someone who only knows their native language cannot call on the name of the Lord because they have never heard of the hebrew translation.
Yes, Y'shua was His name, but it's what is in the heart.

And littlepinky, I can see where you're coming from, but it doesn't mean that she was being arrogant. You are saved by grace, through a justification of faith. If one isn't really sure that they are saved, they need to re-examine what they believe. Knowing that you know that you know that you know that you're going to Heaven because of a personal relationship with Christ, as a servant of God, doing His will throughout your lifetime isn't being arrogant.

The arrogance comes from being bold without humility, and humility has so many references for importance throughout the bible.

And Kel, when one is silent, God does the defending for you. You don't always have to be so defensive, especially through an info dump wink . Know that we are to act through boldness and humility and love, not through a matter-of-fact mentality, even if you are right.

2 cor: 10:4-5.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:24 pm


Chronowatcher
funny to see old posts again (was a 2 month down time on this thread, from july 1 to september).

The main point said was that Jesus has many names, and it is the english translation of Y'shua. It's like saying someone who only knows their native language cannot call on the name of the Lord because they have never heard of the hebrew translation.
Yes, Y'shua was His name, but it's what is in the heart.

And littlepinky, I can see where you're coming from, but it doesn't mean that she was being arrogant. You are saved by grace, through a justification of faith. If one isn't really sure that they are saved, they need to re-examine what they believe. Knowing that you know that you know that you know that you're going to Heaven because of a personal relationship with Christ, as a servant of God, doing His will throughout your lifetime isn't being arrogant.

The arrogance comes from being bold without humility, and humility has so many references for importance throughout the bible.

And Kel, when one is silent, God does the defending for you. You don't always have to be so defensive, especially through an info dump wink . Know that we are to act through boldness and humility and love, not through a matter-of-fact mentality, even if you are right.

2 cor: 10:4-5.


lol lol srry, sometimes I tend to be a very agressive person when it comes to my faith. I couldnt help it. I had to throw my 2 cents out there.

I asked God once what he wanted me to do. And he said, "Become a strong soldier in faith" Ironically my name actually means "warrior". I guess thats why I act so agressively when I talk about the Lord. Its not a bad or mean agressive. Its more of a loud excited, and confident aggressive. (not arrogant.... unlike what some ppl think... sweatdrop )

`Kel`


Jocken

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:59 pm


The whole issue is rather ridiculous if oyu ask me. No, we don't speak Hebrew. Yes, we say "Jesus," instead of his given name. This no worse than what you did when writing "Y'shua." That's completely incorrect. That name was never written that way when Jesus was alive. It was written in HEBREW, in Hebrew symbols. Most mildly educated Christians are aware that Jesus wasn't called "Jesus" because they didn't speak English. The semantics of what name you utter when reffering to Him are completely unimportant. What matters is WHO YOU MEAN, not what name it is.
Technically, everyone whose name is "Joshua" shares a name with Jesus, as this is an adaptaion of the Greek translation of His name. But no one associates those two. What this demonstrates is that what words you say are secondary to what meaning you and who you're talking to put behind them. Language is simply a mechanism of thought, you're trying to put it the other way around by saying that we don't mean what we say because we don't use the historically correct word.
I reiterate that this is ridiculous. Why do we not write the tetragrammaton when refering to God (in Christian context)? Why do we not revert to Chinese characters when writing the names of Chinese people? Or use our own language to represent names of African countries who don't speak English. Because we do. We translate words, including names, from other languages into ours. They still bear the same meaning as they did in their original form because we, as authors of our own language, assign them that meaning.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:16 am


The being we call Jesus has many names.

King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Son of Man, Bread of God, Christ, Deliverer, Holy One, Lamb of God, The Stone the builders rejected...I could go on. But just because we call him Jesus does not mean we don't know who we are talking about.
It's like if someone were to try and describe an actor in a movie and they can't remember their name. They might say, "Oh, you know that guy that played the grinch." And then people would say, "Oh, you mean Jim Carey." They referred to him by a different name, they called him the grinch, but people still know who they were talking about.

Curium


Fairytoes

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:39 am


Ricette, I get what you are saying about Matthew 7:22. But my interpretation of that would refer to the people who are doing acts of glory in the name of Jesus to glorify themselves.

It brought me back to Acts 19: 11-16. I think that really puts it in perspective. I'll let you look it up for yourself.

It is through God that we ASK anything be done, through His Son because Jesus already won the war. He has COMPLETE authority over all the Heavens and the Earth.
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