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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:58 pm
When it comes to sub job, i don't care what other meles do (its there job play what evers funnest) but lately in exp groups i see mele with no food or i hear sneak please every few mins, i always buy my own powders and oils so i don't know why people can't just farm a little and get some for exping. do you agree with this?
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:38 pm
Gil.
That's the only answer.
A lot of users do not have a high enough cooking skill to make their own food, they have bad luck with farming items and/or having the farmed items sell, and melees are very gear dependant, so that takes up a lot of money.
As a Monk, I know how difficult it is to get these things. I'm spending most of my gil on better gear. It'd be pretty bad if you have a Monk in a party that's only dealing 8-10 points a hit.
EDIT And if you're in a party, you need to focus on teamwork. If a member of the party needs Sneak (which constantly fades away, mind you), then give them Sneak. They're a part of your team, help them out.
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:27 pm
I'm a monk to, and gear that you need dosn't really come up to offten (i haven't had to spend a dime off anything for a weapon for 10 lvls and head peace for 35 lvls) whms can get very frustrated haveing to sneak and invis everyone else and you should carry your own oils, 40k for both a stack of oils and powders isn't that much. Food is almost a must to, even if its mithkabobs for 6k a stack its better then nothing.
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:41 pm
dude prices vary between servers, economys are different to me 40k a stack.....is alot of gil even if it was for both stacks. As gambino said most of the time people dont have time to up their cooking skill or spend most of their money on gear an crap to tank. Some people just cant plain afford it but doesnt mean they shouldnt play the class. An sneak invis is the whm's job no matter if the pt member has oils or powders or not its why they have it, same goes for rdm.
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Sheori_Baxton Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:04 pm
40k a stack?
I don't even have 1k in my inventory. confused
And a White Mage is to be aiding the others with spells. Sneak and Invisible are spells that don't come often. What am I going to do? Try and earn 40k for oils or have my party member cast the spell on me?
Teamwork.
And I've noticed you've done a bit of complaining lately about other users in the game. You're starting to sound a bit eltist.
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:17 pm
TiggyChan dude prices vary between servers, economys are different to me 40k a stack.....is alot of gil even if it was for both stacks. As gambino said most of the time people dont have time to up their cooking skill or spend most of their money on gear an crap to tank. Some people just cant plain afford it but doesnt mean they shouldnt play the class. An sneak invis is the whm's job no matter if the pt member has oils or powders or not its why they have it, same goes for rdm. As a WHM55, I think I speak for a good 80% of the WHMs of the know worlds when I say "My job is to keep you from dieing...my job is NOT supporting your bank account" If you want to ask me to help you out, I have no problem. If, however, you wish to tell me that it is my JOB to do so...I'll laugh, disband, and put my flag back up. Cyril L. Gambino Gil. That's the only answer. A lot of users do not have a high enough cooking skill to make their own food, they have bad luck with farming items and/or having the farmed items sell, and melees are very gear dependant, so that takes up a lot of money. As a Monk, I know how difficult it is to get these things. I'm spending most of my gil on better gear. It'd be pretty bad if you have a Monk in a party that's only dealing 8-10 points a hit. EDIT And if you're in a party, you need to focus on teamwork. If a member of the party needs Sneak (which constantly fades away, mind you), then give them Sneak. They're a part of your team, help them out. Invis/Sneak thru various part of Crawler's Nest, no problem. Same for PTs into Altep...a few sneaks as you cross the desert aren't an issue. However, you can't safely take a party of six thru Kuftal Tunnel into Cape Terrigan with only one person passing out sneak/invis effects. Can't happen. Too much can go horriably wrong. I understand that there are economic problems. However, no one gives sympathy for Ninjas who don't have tools, mages who don't have spells, or Rangers who don't stock arrows. Powders and Oils are nesscery for everyone who can't cast it themselves. Every job has a few items like that. As for food....for the love of god, there is no excuse for having no food. There are too many options that can be purchased from NPCs for less then 1k. It's gimp food to be sure...but if you are willing to spend an extra 20k for a +1 sword, then you can spend 5% of that for a stat booster.
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:39 pm
You're right people don't always have time to train up there cooking skill, but theres allllot of jobs that have it alot worst then the meles paying some gil for sneak and invisble, Ninjas have to go threw alot of money to support all the ustumei and spell spam to keep hate, but they dont complain along with rangers there jobs cost tons. If i dont have enough for oils food efc i farm to get the money to do what i need. It just got on my nerves last party when i heard sneak 10000 times from everyone else and i have to wait 30mins at camp because the whm had to hold everyones hand. Its not there job to sneak the entire party, its there job to heal you and heal you alone.
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:42 pm
Cyril L. Gambino 40k a stack? I don't even have 1k in my inventory. confused And a White Mage is to be aiding the others with spells. Sneak and Invisible are spells that don't come often. What am I going to do? Try and earn 40k for oils or have my party member cast the spell on me? Teamwork. And I've noticed you've done a bit of complaining lately about other users in the game. You're starting to sound a bit eltist. Only time I've complained is when i wait 3hours for a NM and the drops basicaly being tossed. Saying O Kote isn't worth the money is more advice then anything.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:57 am
Kuroiban Invis/Sneak thru various part of Crawler's Nest, no problem. Same for PTs into Altep...a few sneaks as you cross the desert aren't an issue. However, you can't safely take a party of six thru Kuftal Tunnel into Cape Terrigan with only one person passing out sneak/invis effects. Can't happen. Too much can go horriably wrong. I understand that there are economic problems. However, no one gives sympathy for Ninjas who don't have tools, mages who don't have spells, or Rangers who don't stock arrows. Powders and Oils are nesscery for everyone who can't cast it themselves. Every job has a few items like that. As for food....for the love of god, there is no excuse for having no food. There are too many options that can be purchased from NPCs for less then 1k. It's gimp food to be sure...but if you are willing to spend an extra 20k for a +1 sword, then you can spend 5% of that for a stat booster. No excuse? Instead of telling people "there's no excuse for it," how about offering up information as to what food is needed for what job, and what NPC's can offer the food. Yes, Ninjas need tools, Rangers need arrows, but that's because their job highly depends on those items. What good is a Ranger without arrows or bullets? As for food, I can surely get through beating a monster without having to eat a mithkabob. kagamari You're right people don't always have time to train up there cooking skill, but theres allllot of jobs that have it alot worst then the meles paying some gil for sneak and invisble, Ninjas have to go threw alot of money to support all the ustumei and spell spam to keep hate, but they dont complain along with rangers there jobs cost tons. If i dont have enough for oils food efc i farm to get the money to do what i need. It just got on my nerves last party when i heard sneak 10000 times from everyone else and i have to wait 30mins at camp because the whm had to hold everyones hand. Its not there job to sneak the entire party, its there job to heal you and heal you alone. Well terribly sorry you had a party experience that annoyed you, but you don't need to lump every person who can't buy food that they cannot play their job or anything. And if you think a White Mage is only meant to heal you, then you're really abusing that job. White Mage can cast plenty of other spells in order to support the party during battle. If a White Mage was only meant to heal, then they would have only given Sneak and Invisble to the Red Mage or something. Seriously, what the hell? confused kagamari Only time I've complained is when i wait 3hours for a NM and the drops basicaly being tossed. Saying O Kote isn't worth the money is more advice then anything. 1: This thread. 2: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=40026173: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=4037933All three are complaints about some experience you've had in the game. Yes, we all get annoyed at some point, but it isn't necessary to make a thread about each incident. Personally, I can't stand the users who complain about something that goes wrong. Completely ruins the fun of the game.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:53 am
i agree with what gambino says and...... i play a RDM (elvaan obviously) & a WHM (my tarutaru), i concider it my job to support, heal, and give the nesseary buffs and other spells to help out a party member no matter what. An ya starting to sound like a elitist here, an god help you get exp if you cant offer Team Work to your pt members but instead disband and do things till you get your way in things. ive seen alot of lazy whm players in my time who even complain they have to heal! I prefur a pld to a nin.....why? cause then i feel like im really doing my job as a healer isntead of a debuffer or erase whore or something like that so i can actually work and do my job. There is alot of times i dont have food for any of my characters as long as i did my job and worked with the pt ive had no complaints.Sure ive had can i get sneak or something like that if i dont remember but to me if we are going into an area i know needs sneak and ivis or or just one i automatically give it to them unless they decline an say i have the items dont worry about me. Bad things are bound to happen in a pt but all you can do if you actually work together is pick eachother back up an keep going. an you are talking about things that actually make the class function not some sort of luxery item they could have like oils an powders so its not exactly a good comparison.
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Sheori_Baxton Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:05 pm
Cyril L. Gambino Kuroiban Invis/Sneak thru various part of Crawler's Nest, no problem. Same for PTs into Altep...a few sneaks as you cross the desert aren't an issue. However, you can't safely take a party of six thru Kuftal Tunnel into Cape Terrigan with only one person passing out sneak/invis effects. Can't happen. Too much can go horriably wrong. I understand that there are economic problems. However, no one gives sympathy for Ninjas who don't have tools, mages who don't have spells, or Rangers who don't stock arrows. Powders and Oils are nesscery for everyone who can't cast it themselves. Every job has a few items like that. As for food....for the love of god, there is no excuse for having no food. There are too many options that can be purchased from NPCs for less then 1k. It's gimp food to be sure...but if you are willing to spend an extra 20k for a +1 sword, then you can spend 5% of that for a stat booster. No excuse? Instead of telling people "there's no excuse for it," how about offering up information as to what food is needed for what job, and what NPC's can offer the food. Yes, Ninjas need tools, Rangers need arrows, but that's because their job highly depends on those items. What good is a Ranger without arrows or bullets? As for food, I can surely get through beating a monster without having to eat a mithkabob. kagamari You're right people don't always have time to train up there cooking skill, but theres allllot of jobs that have it alot worst then the meles paying some gil for sneak and invisble, Ninjas have to go threw alot of money to support all the ustumei and spell spam to keep hate, but they dont complain along with rangers there jobs cost tons. If i dont have enough for oils food efc i farm to get the money to do what i need. It just got on my nerves last party when i heard sneak 10000 times from everyone else and i have to wait 30mins at camp because the whm had to hold everyones hand. Its not there job to sneak the entire party, its there job to heal you and heal you alone. Well terribly sorry you had a party experience that annoyed you, but you don't need to lump every person who can't buy food that they cannot play their job or anything. And if you think a White Mage is only meant to heal you, then you're really abusing that job. White Mage can cast plenty of other spells in order to support the party during battle. If a White Mage was only meant to heal, then they would have only given Sneak and Invisble to the Red Mage or something. Seriously, what the hell? confused kagamari Only time I've complained is when i wait 3hours for a NM and the drops basicaly being tossed. Saying O Kote isn't worth the money is more advice then anything. 1: This thread. 2: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=40026173: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=4037933All three are complaints about some experience you've had in the game. Yes, we all get annoyed at some point, but it isn't necessary to make a thread about each incident. Personally, I can't stand the users who complain about something that goes wrong. Completely ruins the fun of the game. to your complaing thing, as i said i was trying to get monks to stop waisting so much money, and for this thread I'm saying sense every other job has to use mass amounts of money you should have food, once you start getting higher your food is going to start decideing as a monk if you miss 1 out of 4 times or 3 out of 4 times. then again you could cough up 8mil in gear just so you can use all out Strength food. A white mage thats not sneaking and Invisbleing you IS NOT lazy. they are doing there job in a party to debuf and heal and give protect and shell. For the god help you can't get exp if you can't offer team work every mele I've been in a good party use there own buffs and that was a 8k a hour exp party. when theres not you waist a hour holding everyones hand there with a 0 exp party. To say the least exping in the new areas with out oil or powders is a train wreck waiting to happen.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:54 pm
So what is better?
Spending 40k on silent oils, prism powders, and food while you're a level 40 MNK with level 15-20 gear, or spending that 20k to upgrade your armor so that you don't die if you suddenly get aggro or hate?
Honestly, I'd rather make sure I don't die after 5 hits than worry about if my team will kick me out if I don't have food.
Seriously, let it go. Just because people don't use food as often as you do doesn't mean you should go on a tirade about it. You're getting your experience points, you're getting your skill ups, you're getting your skillchains, so why must you yell at those who don't have food?
Let it go. You're not helping at all.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:21 pm
Cyril L. Gambino So what is better? Spending 40k on silent oils, prism powders, and food while you're a level 40 MNK with level 15-20 gear, or spending that 20k to upgrade your armor so that you don't die if you suddenly get aggro or hate? Honestly, I'd rather make sure I don't die after 5 hits than worry about if my team will kick me out if I don't have food. Seriously, let it go. Just because people don't use food as often as you do doesn't mean you should go on a tirade about it. You're getting your experience points, you're getting your skill ups, you're getting your skillchains, so why must you yell at those who don't have food? Let it go. You're not helping at all. You"re risk of suddenly hate is very low at that lvl, so i would say food, no matter how much Defense you get at that lvl uoi will probaly Die in five hits, monsters are going to be hitting you hard not matter what if you a DD job so unless your a PLD or a NIN i would be focusing on food and weapons, and weapons are not expensive at all for a monk unless you buy cross-counter or spartan cetis at higher lvl
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:59 pm
Hate is low at this level? Not from what I've experienced.
Boost generates quite a bit of hate. I've had times where someone used Provoke, after a bit I used Boost, and the mob turned on me.
I've gotten more defensive gear because of that. Before, I was using a Power Gi for a long time until I got sick and tired of a mob killing me in a matter of seconds. I've upgraded to a Federation Gi and I'm lasting longer than I did before.
And weapons don't come cheap either. Remember, I've never owned more than 30k in gil. And you know what? I spent half of that on a stack of food. It didn't last me long because I too had bad party experiences and I didn't get to earn that much experience points. So, where was I? Less gil, no experienece, and wasted food.
Not everyone is rich like you (or so you make it seem apparently). I don't have luck selling items, I don't have luck with farming. You're just kind of rubbing it in our noses going "if I can spend 40k on _____, why can't you?" It's really annoying.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:02 pm
Cyril L. Gambino Hate is low at this level? Not from what I've experienced. Boost generates quite a bit of hate. I've had times where someone used Provoke, after a bit I used Boost, and the mob turned on me. I've gotten more defensive gear because of that. Before, I was using a Power Gi for a long time until I got sick and tired of a mob killing me in a matter of seconds. I've upgraded to a Federation Gi and I'm lasting longer than I did before. And weapons don't come cheap either. Remember, I've never owned more than 30k in gil. And you know what? I spent half of that on a stack of food. It didn't last me long because I too had bad party experiences and I didn't get to earn that much experience points. So, where was I? Less gil, no experienece, and wasted food. Not everyone is rich like you (or so you make it seem apparently). I don't have luck selling items, I don't have luck with farming. You're just kind of rubbing it in our noses going "if I can spend 40k on _____, why can't you?" It's really annoying. you know i rarely have gil to you know, i have 863 gil atm but thats just because it goes into food, i never equip for defense i equip for how i get most damage, when i was traing my first low lvl job to 32 i never use powders ethir but then again you wont really need them until Crawlers nest because theres not place your gonna get agroed. by the time you actualy need it there plenty of ways to make money and food is not that much considering a stack can last you 6 hours for NQ mithkabobs that that give +4 str and a certain percanatge of attack +. I don't have richs in gill all of its sitting in gear or I'm useing it on food or powders. when you get 40, you'll see what its like to really have hate, I have problems loseing my hate i get from Dragon kick to a PLD and the whole "spending 40k on _____ why can't you?" its preety much your job as a mele to at least have some kind of food
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