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Jeshi-kun

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:52 pm


I think that would be what you would call a kinetic that is controll of sleep.

because soporifer is latin for [to cause deep sleep]


do you think there is a kinetic that can controll sleep(of yourself or others?)
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:40 pm


I'm sure there is.
I just don't know it... sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:58 pm


That would be menskinesis which is controll of minds
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:27 pm


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That would be menskinesis which is controll of minds
really? wow... I thought sleeping and mincontroll were diffrent things..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:13 pm


Jeshi-kun
The FLCL Guy
That would be menskinesis which is controll of minds
really? wow... I thought sleeping and mincontroll were diffrent things..


Not really, you need to use mind control if you want to change someone's state of consciousness... And sleep is a state of unconsciousness, which means the mind must be affected in order to cause sleep... Or you could just use hypnotic suggestion... O.O
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:27 pm


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Jeshi-kun
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That would be menskinesis which is controll of minds
really? wow... I thought sleeping and mincontroll were diffrent things..


Not really, you need to use mind control if you want to change someone's state of consciousness... And sleep is a state of unconsciousness, which means the mind must be affected in order to cause sleep... Or you could just use hypnotic suggestion... O.O


I know how hypnosis works(yet I can't do it myself) and I know that hypnotic sugestion only works on sombody who is willing to follow it...

so you can't make sombody fall asleep with hypnotic suggestion, only relax so much they are in a trance and then you just walk away causeing them to fall alseep by themselfs(its true, if you leave sombody hypnotised and just leave them like that then they fall asleep and wake up whenever they wan't)

besides... I don't think hypnosis count's as a kinetic..and it does not use energy..

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:47 pm


Jeshi-kun
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Jeshi-kun
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That would be menskinesis which is controll of minds
really? wow... I thought sleeping and mincontroll were diffrent things..


Not really, you need to use mind control if you want to change someone's state of consciousness... And sleep is a state of unconsciousness, which means the mind must be affected in order to cause sleep... Or you could just use hypnotic suggestion... O.O


I know how hypnosis works(yet I can't do it myself) and I know that hypnotic sugestion only works on sombody who is willing to follow it...

so you can't make sombody fall asleep with hypnotic suggestion, only relax so much they are in a trance and then you just walk away causeing them to fall alseep by themselfs(its true, if you leave sombody hypnotised and just leave them like that then they fall asleep and wake up whenever they wan't)

besides... I don't think hypnosis count's as a kinetic..and it does not use energy..


I know it's not kinetic... I didn't intend it to be, only the part before it was my real point. Hypnotic suggestion actually finds it's way to skeptics as long as it doesn't go against their belief system. Just because they don't believe it can work, doesn't mean that they haven't repressed the thought that hypnosis might be possible. If you can make someone relaxed, then you make someone sleep, tis possible if they are in a hypnotic trance, I know, I've done it.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:06 am


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Jeshi-kun
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Jeshi-kun
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That would be menskinesis which is controll of minds
really? wow... I thought sleeping and mincontroll were diffrent things..


Not really, you need to use mind control if you want to change someone's state of consciousness... And sleep is a state of unconsciousness, which means the mind must be affected in order to cause sleep... Or you could just use hypnotic suggestion... O.O


I know how hypnosis works(yet I can't do it myself) and I know that hypnotic sugestion only works on sombody who is willing to follow it...

so you can't make sombody fall asleep with hypnotic suggestion, only relax so much they are in a trance and then you just walk away causeing them to fall alseep by themselfs(its true, if you leave sombody hypnotised and just leave them like that then they fall asleep and wake up whenever they wan't)

besides... I don't think hypnosis count's as a kinetic..and it does not use energy..


I know it's not kinetic... I didn't intend it to be, only the part before it was my real point. Hypnotic suggestion actually finds it's way to skeptics as long as it doesn't go against their belief system. Just because they don't believe it can work, doesn't mean that they haven't repressed the thought that hypnosis might be possible. If you can make someone relaxed, then you make someone sleep, tis possible if they are in a hypnotic trance, I know, I've done it.


well if they are already ina trance then of course hypnotic sugestion will work!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:19 pm


Jeshi-kun
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Jeshi-kun
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Jeshi-kun
The FLCL Guy
That would be menskinesis which is controll of minds
really? wow... I thought sleeping and mincontroll were diffrent things..


Not really, you need to use mind control if you want to change someone's state of consciousness... And sleep is a state of unconsciousness, which means the mind must be affected in order to cause sleep... Or you could just use hypnotic suggestion... O.O


I know how hypnosis works(yet I can't do it myself) and I know that hypnotic sugestion only works on sombody who is willing to follow it...

so you can't make sombody fall asleep with hypnotic suggestion, only relax so much they are in a trance and then you just walk away causeing them to fall alseep by themselfs(its true, if you leave sombody hypnotised and just leave them like that then they fall asleep and wake up whenever they wan't)

besides... I don't think hypnosis count's as a kinetic..and it does not use energy..


I know it's not kinetic... I didn't intend it to be, only the part before it was my real point. Hypnotic suggestion actually finds it's way to skeptics as long as it doesn't go against their belief system. Just because they don't believe it can work, doesn't mean that they haven't repressed the thought that hypnosis might be possible. If you can make someone relaxed, then you make someone sleep, tis possible if they are in a hypnotic trance, I know, I've done it.


well if they are already ina trance then of course hypnotic sugestion will work!


Ummm... Yeah... In order to do anything with hypnosis, a hypnotic trance is kind of required... And hypnotic suggestion won't necessarily work even if they are in a hypnotic trance. There was an experiment used to prove it:

A group of psychologists put two men in a room, they hypnotized one of them and told him that the other man had flown out of the room by himself and that now he was gone and no longer in the room. The man who had been hypnotized looked over and said the man was still there. After this they told him that the man next to him had left to catch a plane for his business trip and when the hypnotized man looked over, he said that he saw no one and the psychologists saw the man clearly still standing there. This proves that hypnotic suggestion cannot breach a person's belief system, even if they are in a hypnotic trance.

Just because you leave them in a trance, doesn't mean they'll fall asleep, some people have verility in the mind and can snap themselves out of it.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:56 am


I'd say you can't make someone fall asleep, the mental and physical processes involved in going to sleep is more than just the mind. First the body has to shut down to where it can fall asleep: Lower heart rate, lower breathing rate (except for those with sleep apnea), metabolic increase, horomonal increase, and etc. Also you have to take into consideration sleep disorders such as insomnia and sleep apnea. So all in all to make someone fall asleep with energy would not only take too much but also poses a risk at a humans health.

Now if you decided to try it and the person was willing then chances are their going to fall asleep all their own with little help from you. A real test would require a lot of energy spread over their entire body, you have to know about the processes of sleep and the preperation its not just your tired and you go to sleep, and they must not know what you are attempting so you get accurate results. But be warned, it is possible that this could have some health hazards.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:17 pm


Jeshi-kun
Necretian
Jeshi-kun
The FLCL Guy
That would be menskinesis which is controll of minds
really? wow... I thought sleeping and mincontroll were diffrent things..


Not really, you need to use mind control if you want to change someone's state of consciousness... And sleep is a state of unconsciousness, which means the mind must be affected in order to cause sleep... Or you could just use hypnotic suggestion... O.O


I know how hypnosis works(yet I can't do it myself) and I know that hypnotic sugestion only works on sombody who is willing to follow it...

so you can't make sombody fall asleep with hypnotic suggestion, only relax so much they are in a trance and then you just walk away causeing them to fall alseep by themselfs(its true, if you leave sombody hypnotised and just leave them like that then they fall asleep and wake up whenever they wan't)

besides... I don't think hypnosis count's as a kinetic..and it does not use energy..

Um kinetics dont use energies really.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:10 pm


kinetics actually use more energy than regular psi

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Yvaine

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:50 am


"Kinetic" indicates movement, ie pyrokinesis involves moving/shaping fire. Unless you're moving sleeping people around, no form of kinesis has anything to do with sleep. And wouldn't "menskinesis" involve moving brains around? eek xp sweatdrop

Heh..."accio brain!"...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:40 pm


I believe it is possible through telepathy and suggestion...Either way, can somebody do it to me? I'm an insomniac

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:21 pm


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kinetics actually use more energy than regular psi

If they used more energy then regular then it would be energy manipulation, but actuely kinetics is moving the energy of things.
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