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 Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:13 pm
As many of us know, it's quite common to see Sasuke, Sakura and more specifically, SasuSaku bashing. Here, we will gather to counter and debate about the particular fanon/canon universe of Naruto and try our best to defend our side of the argument. Particular rules I wish to uphold in this thread no matter what:1. No flaming or degrading name-calling. Yes, I'm aware plenty that other fandoms degrade SasuSaku, but why do the same? It'll only put you on their level of immaturity. 2. Let's stay on topic. Some randomness here and there is fine, but this is a debate thread, and I'd like to stick to arguments here. 3. Discussion topics will be switched every now and then. Anybody is free to bring up a topic. 4. While I'd like the main focus to stay on Sasuke, Sakura, and/or SasuSaku, you are free to bring in other discussion topics as well, as long as they correspond to SasuSaku in a way. 5. We will debate on a particular topic for as long as we need to, adding in facts or insights. When we have our full answer decided, it shall be posted on one of the first three posts. This is so that we can easily find these references when debating with others outside of this guild. x3 6. Please quote the current debate topic when responding.
Suggestions:1. When countering an "argument"/ opinion, try to site facts (i.e- things that have occured in the manga) to bring up your point. --- Current Topic:Quote: SasuSaku would TOTALLY throw away all of Sakura's character development Do you agree or disagree? Why?
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:14 pm
Past Discussions:Quote:
Quote: Bah though we all know that the majority of the SasuSaku fandom only like the pairing because it's the cliche "pair the girl with the bishie rival" pairing that happens in just about EVERY fandom... The only difference is that in other fandoms every pairing get's respect while in this one NaruSaku get's extremely disrespected by the SasuSaku fans.
Answers:Kairi.nin I think I honestly gagged and spazzed at the screen when I saw this. That is NOT the reason I support SasuSaku, and just what anime is he talking about? In pretty much EVERY anime I have EVER seen, it has always ended up with the main guy and the main girl falling for each other. Next to never have I seen something where the girl ends up with the "bishie rival" or what ever people label Sasuke as. If anything NaruSaku is THE most cliche pairing on Naruto. No, I'm not saying that just because I utterly detest the pairing[no offense to anyone who likes it], I'm saying it because.. well, yeah, that's what I believe.
[My range of anime isn't very wide, though, so if you HAVE seen one like the ones he was talking about, please state the name of it. I would like some proof, here.]
And he said that NaruSaku is disliked by the SasuSaku fans? That is SO not true. I know a good number of SasuSaku fans that give plenty of respect to NaruSaku. Plus, most of the people I've met that don't like SasuSaku are NaruSaku fans. I swear it's like some kind-of rivalry going on between the fans. Frankly, I don't care who likes what, but this guy's posts seriously irk me. How does he expect NaruSaku to get respect when SasuSaku gets just about the same amount of disrespect? Not to mention practically every other pairing in the series. I don't know what rock he's been living under, but not EVERY pairing in any fandom gets full-blown respect. i m o g e n I have no qualms against NaruSaku, but oblivious and opinionated statements such as these annoy the hell out me. Gah. NaruSaku fandom. Just gah. I wish you'd learn to acknowledge the fact that people support pairings for whatever reasons they will. I don't support NaruSaku because I see close to zero potential of it becoming romantic. Platonic, it will always remain at best. Yes, Sasuke is attractive and it is acknowledged that Sakura had a crush on him to prove the fact. But by what means does this person think this is the only reason we ship SasuSaku? Crack ships are far more shallow in the fact that the characters have had minimal or possibly haven't had any contact with each other. Sasuke and Sakura, on the other hand, have had development right after Naruto and Sasuke. Does this disprove the theory those who ship SasuSaku only do so because they look pretty together? No? Well, I'll add this: I ship my OTP's because they have potential to develop and have conflict. Let's take Sakura, for example. Sasuke was essential to her character for he helped her change, a fact that is clearly written in her growth over the three years. She went from being a fangirl, to a concerned and lovelorn girl, right to strong individual who vowed, along with Naruto, to bring back Sasuke. She loves him. Kishimoto even dedicated a chapter to it. (Episode 109/Chapter 233) Why shouldn't we ship SasuSaku? It has plenty canon potential. Quote: "Now Sakura will see what a heartless b*****d Sasuke is and love Naruto!" Kawaii_Angel05
You post is very true in the Manga Discussion Topic. I mean Kishimoto didn't have to zoom in Sakura's eyes twice. He just could've inserted the part where she lets go of Sai at the very bottom of the page. But noooo.. just like you said, there's a whole page that's on centered on Sakura.
There's people saying 'just because Sakura is shocked to see Sasuke, it doesn't mean she has feelings for him' Well, I guess they have failed to read the next page. In katakana, she says "Sasuke" and then next in hirigana, she says "..-kun". SASUKE-KUN!! >_<
There's also other people saying Sasuke looks cranky and will be mean to Sakura and then she'll suddenly hate him. Well of course Sasuke's cranky, Kabuto stated himself Sasuke is cranky when he wakes up. But Sakura will not hate Sasuke because he'll be rude/mean to her. Sasuke has yelled at Sakura, called her annoying, and rejected her so many times. And yet, Sakura's feelings remained the same. She has been dedicated to Sasuke for so long. And if Sakura suddenly hates him, like we've said before, Sakura's character development will been ruined.
*okays.. last part* Now I don't care right now if Sasuke is still a jerk. But, I believe, Sasuke will change. How? I have no clue. But I'm pretty sure Naruto can't change him alone. He fought him and failed. I'm sure Sakura can't change him alone either. She talked to him, promised to do anything for him, confessed her feelings to him and even though she almost got through Sasuke, she failed. I believe Naruto AND Sakura will have to work together to help Sasuke. It's a Team 7 thing. And Sasuke becoming the main villain and then dying at the end of the series isn't a possiblity to me. Sasuke is important to the series. If you look at the series, almost everyone had a bad past and had a change of heart. For me, it's most likely Sasuke will eventually see the light as well.
i m o g e n In addition, what makes people think that her feelings will make a sudden turn and she will loathe Sasuke? Personally, I don't think she can EVER do such a thing. Even when he knocked her out and left her on the cold bench- the incident only pushed her to become stronger and motivated her to bring Sasuke back. What the Naruto fandom has to acknowledge and understand is that Sakura is obsessed. It's not exactly healthy- this love/obsession- but it's VERY essential to her character. No way can she remain stable without Sasuke. I keep bringing this up, but her punching Sai when he insulted him greatly illustrates this point. Quote: What strikes me about the Anti-NaruSaku's is that they can't admit that NaruSaku is even possible as they keep saying that Naruto and Sakura have a sibling relationship while in the same breath claim that Sasuke and Sakura's relationship is based romantically and not on a sibling level. I just don't understand how they can claim that "Oh Naruto and Sakura are nothing but siblings? What? Sasuke? NOOOOOOOO! He and Sakura's relationship is so much more DEEP that it CAN'T be sibling love!" Oh please I could say that about Naruto and Sakura's relationship. Somehow I just feel that people put off NaruSaku because Naruto isn't as bishie as Sasuke is so they have to throw Naruto to an ugly girl like Hinata just to get him out of the way. Oh whereas they claim we hate Sakura because we support NaruSaku? Sasuke's never had any interest in any girl whatsoever and he'd more likely end up with random sound girl than Sakura. Also if Naruto can MAGICALLY fall in love with Hinata like many of their ranks claim then I can't see why they can't accept the possibility that Sakura may fall for Naruto. Again maybe it's because Naruto isn't bishie enough... like how in the Digimon Adventure 02 fandom where Daisuke get's bashed constantly because he get's in the way of Takeru x Hikari. Not to mention that SasuSaku is kinda like Takari in the way that both fandoms think it's the destined and meant to be pairing of the series while NaruSaku and Daikari are the same in that they both get shoved off to the side as "impossible." Yet in the case of Takari vs Daikari neither happened so it doesn't really matter in the end. Kairi.nin
.. Where in God's name should I start.. -Ahem-
To start things off, who said all people against the NaruSaku pairing were for SasuSaku? He really needs to get over generalizing.. I, for one, usually don't see Sasuke and Sakura's relationship as a sibling relationship for these two reasons:
-Sakura claimed that she LOVED him.
-The way Sasuke acted towards her never struck me as something any brother would do.
Why do I think of Naruto and Sakura's relationship as a brother/sister one?
-They yell and pick fun at each other.
-Naruto is always trying his best to protect her. <--Just like a big brother would.
-The way Sakura always hits and/or chews Naruto out is such a sister-ly thing to do.
Yeah, Naruto had a crush on Sakura at the beginning of the series, but am I the only one who thinks that has dwindled? Though, if his feelings haven't changed -- or even if they've grown -- I doubt Naruto will try or say anything until he knows what Sakura feels. He knows how much she loved Sasuke, and even he could be unsure of how she feels right now.
Which is why I personally think that SasuSaku would be better for the team. Naruto's just respectful like that. I highly doubt he would mind, whereas Sasuke.. well.. he's not exactly an open book, but I'm sure he would be deeply affected some how if NaruSaku happened.
"Somehow I just feel that people put off NaruSaku because Naruto isn't as bishie as Sasuke is so they have to throw Naruto to an ugly girl like Hinata just to get him out of the way."
Again with the bishie thing! And how dare he call Hinata ugly.. just, GAH. Fans of SasuSaku don't like it because Sakura's with a "bishie", they like it because it actually has a possibility of happening. And who said all anti-NaruSaku fans like NaruHina? Sure, I do, but I also support KibaHina.
A relationship isn't based off of looks, anyway. It's based off of what each person feels inside. If I thought Sakura felt for Naruto what she feels for Sasuke, I might like NaruSaku just a bit more. But I don't, so I don't.
If I just wanted to get Naruto "out of the way", I would have paired him up with someone like Ino. The two of them have absolutely NO chemistry, unlike Naruto and Hinata. Naruto may act clueless sometimes, but I'm sure he'll acknowledge Hinata's feelings sooner or later.
"Oh whereas they claim we hate Sakura because we support NaruSaku? Sasuke's never had any interest in any girl whatsoever and he'd more likely end up with random sound girl than Sakura. Also if Naruto can MAGICALLY fall in love with Hinata like many of their ranks claim then I can't see why they can't accept the possibility that Sakura may fall for Naruto."
If Sasuke doesn't end up with Sakura, I don't think he will end up with anyone, especially not some random Sound-nin. He has more dignity than that! It doesn't seem like he's interested in a relationship right now, anyway. And I doubt he will be until -after- he kills Itachi.
Right, like how most of the NaruSaku fans claim that she has MAGICALLY fallen in love with Naruto. I haven't seen ANY evidence of that at all, how about you guys? At least Sakura stated[shouted/announced] that she loved Sasuke and would do anything in her power to make him happy.
Feelings such as those.. they don't die just like that. No matter how much time has passed, no matter who comes up. And now that Sasuke has reappeared, I think her love for him will re-awaken -- if it ever started to disappear in the first place, I mean.
Now for the last part.. *Deep breath* Me being an avid Digimon fan, I know just where he's coming from. So, it seems as though he's comparing Daisuke to Naruto.. um. I have yet to meet one open-minded person who bashes Naruto because he gets in the way of SasuSaku.. Honestly, I don't think he gets in the way of anything because I simply cannot see Sakura falling for him.
"..SasuSaku is kinda like Takari in the way that both fandoms think it's the destined and meant to be pairing of the series while NaruSaku and Daikari are the same in that they both get shoved off to the side as "impossible.".."
There is a reason -- both SasuSaku and Takari had many more deep and meaningful moments than any other pairing in either of the series. THAT is why we think.. no, know that SasuSaku is destined and has a much higher chance of happening. Really, do you sincerely think Kishimoto will dump the idea of SasuSaku when he put so much emphasis and drama into their moments?
It's true that it doesn't matter since Takari and Daikari never happened, because that may very well be how Naruto ends -- the whole pairing debate being left unsolved -- but at least Takari had the greater possibility of becoming canon, just like SasuSaku.Aznkizz First of all, Hinata IS NOT AN UGLY GIRL, STOP BASHING HER! She's just shy and she works hard to gain Naruto's acknowledgement! Kind of how Sakura trained under Tsunade to get acknowledged by Sasuke. "Oh whereas they claim we hate Sakura because we support NaruSaku? Sasuke's never had any interest in any girl whatsoever and he'd more likely end up with random sound girl than Sakura. Also if Naruto can MAGICALLY fall in love with Hinata like many of their ranks claim then I can't see why they can't accept the possibility that Sakura may fall for Naruto." Who said that we said they hate Sakura? I have never heard anyone say that NaruSaku fans hate Sakura. Sasuke has most definitely cares for Sakura as he goes out of his way to protect her in any situation that might bring danger to her. He catches her before she falls after they fought Gaara. He blocks the attack when Sakura is protecting the bridge builder. He also mentions that he doesn't want to lose anyone who's important to him anymore. I definitely don't think Sasuke's cursed seal would have diminished if some other girl tried to stop him. Who said we can't accept the possibility of NaruSaku? NaruSaku is okay, I just like SasuSaku better. Anyway, why can't THEY accept the possibility of SasuSaku? SasuSaku has so many memorable moments. What does NaruSaku have? Sibling rivalry? Iia My Reply to Aznkizz's post above:Quote: "Somehow I just feel that people put off NaruSaku because Naruto isn't as bishie as Sasuke is so they have to throw Naruto to an ugly girl like Hinata just to get him out of the way."
1.) I think Hinata is VERY kawaii. BOOOOO to Hinata Bashing! D< *throws a hissy fit*
2.) I "put off" NaruSaku because I don't see them that way. I see more potential in SasuSaku and NaruHina. That's it.
3.) The "bishie-ness" of Sasuke and/or Naruto has NOTHING to do with this. How good a character looks strictly depends on a person's opinion: I have friends who think Naruto looks better than Sasuke, and I have friends who think vise-versa. If you ask me, I think both of them were cute, and after the timeskip, they were BOTH extremely hot. That's MY opinion. What the hell has that got to do with my preference of pairing?
4.) "Get Naruto out of the way."?? Please. Naruto wouldn't be NARUTO without Naruto. (Does that make sense? xD I mean, the anime wouldn't be the same without Naruto.) I think that many SasuSaku fans have absolutly NO intention of putting Naruto away for the sake of SasuSaku.
I mean, without Naruto, Sakura wouldn't have a chance with Sasuke! Naruto has a lot of credit towards him with turning Sasuke into who he is today. He has affected both Sakura and Sasuke's lives, and much of that is what helps SasuSaku bloom. Without Naruto, SasuSaku would be squat. xOQuote: "Oh whereas they claim we hate Sakura because we support NaruSaku? Sasuke's never had any interest in any girl whatsoever and he'd more likely end up with random sound girl than Sakura. Also if Naruto can MAGICALLY fall in love with Hinata like many of their ranks claim then I can't see why they can't accept the possibility that Sakura may fall for Naruto."
2.) I don't know about other SasuSaku fans, but I, personally, never claimed that Naruto would fall in love with Hinata AND I can accept the fact that Sakura may fall for Naruto. Accepting and Supporting are DIFFERENT things. If Kishimoto-sama would end up putting Naruto and Sakura together....well....so be it. It's HIS story, and HIS characters. It'll just be too bad for SasuSaku fans. But, as said before: Accepting and Supporting are different.
Again, SasuSaku fans don't pair Naruto with Hinata just to get him out of the way. SasuSaku and NaruHina are two different things as well.
I support SasuSaku because, one, they look good together, and two, they have sufficient evidence and potential.
I support NaruHina for the same reasons. I think Naruto and Hinata look very CUTE together, and I also see potential for a relationship. So what if Naruto doesn't like Hinata in the manga as of now? Sakura never liked Naruto right? And Sasuke never showed that he actually liked Sakura. Fans of a pairing in general pick out hints and clue that say DIFFERENT. That is all. Kairi.nin Yeah, Naruto had a crush on Sakura at the beginning of the series, but am I the only one who thinks that has dwindled? Kawaii_Angel05
I believe that Naruto's crush on Sakura has lessened also. Recalling from episode 98, when Sakura hugs Sasuke, his expression looks like he realizes that Sakura really cares about Sasuke so much.
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Now I'm just going to add small comments on the basher's paragraphs.
"..they have to throw Naruto to an ugly girl like Hinata just to get him out of the way."
Is it really necessary to bash Hinata? I am wondering how he can find Hinata ugly. I'm assuming it's because he does not approve of NaruHina..? I know it's not good to judge, but it seems obvious that he bashes Hinata because he dislikes NaruHina.
"...I can't see why they can't accept the possibility that Sakura may fall for Naruto."
Okay this is how I see it.
Before the start of series: Sakura develops a crush on Sasuke
Chuunin Exams: Sakura is worried about Sasuke -- worried about his Curse Seal, worried about the Sound nins trying to kill him, worried if he might not make to the main battle on time.
After Sasuke confronting Itachi: Sakura visits Sasuke at the hospital everyday and even brings new flowers. Sakura starts to cry and hugs Sasuke when Tsunade heals him.
The Sound Temptation: Sakura begs him not leave and confesses her feelings
Mission to retrieve Sasuke: After knowing Naruto couldn't bring Sasuke back, Sakura wants to save Sasuke too
Meeting Sai: Sai recieves a punch from Sakura for bad mouthing Sasuke
Reunion: Sakura is completely shocked to see Sasuke and still refers him as 'Sasuke-kun'
Somewhere in the future: Sakura falls for Naruto...wait.. what?
That's how I view it. Looking at all of the actions Sakura has done for Sasuke and then having Sakura fall for Naruto because of some reason that I do not know of since I am not the author.. *inhales.. exhales* ..Then I would be totally convinced that all of Sakura's actions towards Sasuke mean absolutely nothing. It would be utterly random for me as well.
I mean Kishimoto didn't have to have Sakura confront Sasuke before he left. He didn't have to have Sakura punch Sai. He didn't have to dedicate a whole page of Sakura's expression when she saw Sasuke after 2 years. But he did. It shows how Sakura's feelings towards Sasuke turned from a fangirl crush to sincere love. Like I said before, all of her actions would mean nothing and therefore, like I said in my last post, Sakura would have bad character development.
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Maybe so, but then doesn't Sakura deserve Sasuke or Hinata deserve Naruto?
Naruto may have done LOTS and lots for Sakura. And I understand NaruSaku is a possibility but really when you think about it, it all comes down to Sakura's feelings, not how much Naruto has done for her and therefore deserves her. Same with Naruhina too I guess, no matter how much she admires him from afar, it comes down to Naruto's feelings.
If Sakura doesn't love Naruto, she shouldn't have to go with Naruto simply because he deserves her. Its one-sided.
Thats what I love about Sakura, when Sasuke left she didn't keep shouting about everything she did for him but everything she would do for him. Keeping him happy, helping him with revenge practically anything.
Also as the data book said, if Sasuke did stay, Sakura could fill up the lonely hole in him. That to me, was so much proof. I really rather watch Sakura slowly melt the ice around Sasuke's heart then her punch Naruto for everything stupid he does. Kishi has put so much development into the SasuSaku pairing I would just freeze if NaruSaku happens, firstly it has been stated that Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke, unless I am being mislead by the data book translation at Naruto forums. It says "Sakura's passion for Sasuke is unchanging."
Yes, there could be development of Sakura getting over Sasuke and maybe then I would accept it more but as of now the pairing best for Sakura's character and of course for Sasuke would be SasuSaku. Sakura doesn't need someone protecting her ALL the time but has put her loyalty to Sasuke and helping him.
I believe she will be the one or atleast help in leading Sasuke out of the path of darkness and if Sasuke does not push Sakura away he has the potential to very well indeed fall for Sakura. (Hell yeah XDD)
I could go on and on about SasuSaku and why I support it over NaruSaku but I'll just cut it short a bit.
In my opinions SasuSaku is the deepest relationship in the whole series of Naruto AND the most interesting to watch develop. There dreams and hopes for the future are also connecting as Naruto and Sakura's are not. Sasukes dream is to "revive his clan" and Sakura's is to actually BE with Sasuke whilst Naruto's is to be Hokage. I think they will all reach the dreams and Sasuke and Sakura will be together in the end.
Go SasuSaku! Its totally canon love. XDD
heart Kairi.nin Cherrihana If Sakura doesn't love Naruto, she shouldn't have to go with Naruto simply because he deserves her. Its one-sided.
They claim that SasuSaku is completely one-sided, though I fail to see how NaruSaku isn't. Since when did Sakura admit to loving Naruto? Tell me that. And also, tell me when she started showing even the slightest interest in him.
A fellow SasuSaku fan, UchihaTaijiya, quoted one of her posts from another forum over at Simply Love:Quote: Personally, I haven't been bothered by the 'hints' of NaruSaku. The main reason is because the only somewhat solid hints come from Yamato and Sai (which I didn't even notice until NaruSaku fans were mentioning it), two characters who know nothing about Team 07 and its former relationship s... but had those comments come from Kakashi or Tsunade, we'd have a different story on our hands. Not too mention, Yamato's statement can be interpreted anyway you want, since why the hell would he be talking about Sakura's romantic feelings for Naruto in the middle of that situation? He's only known them for what... three weeks? less? Love may be evident on her face but who's to say it isn't platonic and platonic only?
Also, referring back to what i m o g e n has said before, NaruSaku excludes Sasuke. I agree completely with this, too. Naruto and Sakura both trained hard for the soul purpose of bringing Sasuke back to Konoha, only to hook up together in the end? That would make NO sense. No matter what happens.
I'm not saying they wouldn't/shouldn't be happy, but they're both too focused on returning Sasuke right now. And even after that, whether they fail or succeed, I just cannot see the two of them becoming a couple. If they succeed, it would be awkward for Sasuke. If they fail, it would be.. just plain awkward. It would almost seem as though they were trying to forget him.
And how would SasuSaku exclude Naruto?
Like I stated in my earlier post, Naruto's the type of guy who simply wants his friends to be happy. I'm sure he wouldn't mind if Sakura ended up with Sasuke. After all, he knows how much she loves him. Now how come the bashers don't?Quote: Naruto LOVES Sakura and he'll work hard to get into her heart." ~chibi kagome62~ If this is the case, couldn't we counter-attack by saying "Sakura LOVES Sasuke and she'll work hard to get into his heart." ? It's the same concept. Sakura is willing to do anything to gain Sasuke's love. Quote: I feel the only reason people like SasuSaku is because they can mold Sakura into a Mary Sue character considering her background is pretty non-existant so they can use her to fulfill their Sasuke fangirl fantasies. Seriously it makes no sense when they say that Sakura will bring Sasuke back to the light because they're basically making Sasuke out to be a "Mysterious angst-ridden bishie whom if caught can be rehabilitated through the power of true love." Kairi.nin *Twitch* ..
Everything nowadays is a Mary-Sue, isn't it? It doesn't matter who the female is, if she's involved in a romance, she just HAS to be a Mary-Sue!
When a character has no official background, it is very hard for a person writing a fan-fiction or role-playing to really use said character. If you want to make something decent, you need background, you need depth. They pretty much -have- to create their own background for Sakura, in most cases; especially when writing fan-fiction.
Although, believe it or not, Sakura DOES have a -- OMG -- personality! I'm not sure if this guy knows that yet or not, but all of the fan-fictions I've read, and all of the role-plays I've been involved in, Sakura's personality stayed true to her character. She loves Sasuke, she would do anything for him, and she's pretty -- that is the Sakura Kishimoto created, not the fans.
"..use her to fulfill their Sasuke fangirl fantasies.."
Wow. That made me laugh. Come on.. if fans wanted to do that, there IS something called an 'original character', you know. The writers and role-players I know do NOT put Sakura with Sasuke for that purpose. They do it because Kishimoto is too slow they want to see how the couple would play out in certain situations. In some instances, it's because they are actually FANS of the couple! How unbelievable!
Not all SasuSaku fans are madly in love with Sasuke and want to smex with him. Is that so hard to believe?
And please. That is NOT the only reason we like SasuSaku. In fact, I can't think of one person that likes the pairing because of that. That -- it can't even BE a reason to like SasuSaku.Quote: Seriously it makes no sense when they say that Sakura will bring Sasuke back to the light because they're basically making Sasuke out to be a "Mysterious angst-ridden bishie whom if caught can be rehabilitated through the power of true love."
He IS angst-ridden. The boy's whole life is practically nothing but angst. A person with a life such as that needs to see the light, and I honestly think Sakura is the perfect person to be Sasuke's "light." I doubt Naruto could do that. He would lose patience with Sasuke too easily, and the two of them would end up fighting, probably.
Saying that, however, I still don't feel as though Sakura could do it alone. Naruto and Sakura both, yes.
It has been said before that Sasuke isn't the type of person who sits quietly and listens to lectures, but if he would just take the time to hear what Naruto and Sakura have to say, I'm sure they would be able to get through to him. Kakashi would have, had it not been for the Sound-nin.
.. I have a feeling I'm forgetting something, but.. nyeh. I've said my part. Iia EXACTLY. Everyone who doesn't like Sasuke complains that he "should just move on."
Now, I agree that his plans are rough, but people need to understand, he's still a child. His parents were killed when he was SEVEN (I think that's right, ne? I need to go back and re-read.) And when the series starts, he's only TWELVE.
At that age and state of mind I doubt he even knows how to move on from such a tragedy. He's way too young to think as maturely as it takes, and it's not his fault at all.
What do you think Sasuke has been wanting all these years? LOVE. ATTENTION. He's stuck in thought that he's alone, and he's been pushing everyone out unaware that they could help him. (Which I believe is exactly why him and sakura aren't together yet. xD)
And growing up with a mind like that is hard to change. It will take a lot of work for Naruto and Sakura to get to him, but I truly think it will happen. <3 ~chibi kagome62~ Sooner or later, if he kills Itachi, he will realise that there were 2 parts to his goal. Who the hell is he going to restore hisd clan with if they say he's not going to be paired and remain alone his whole life? That will mean he failed his goal, and that's the last thing he has in his mind 3nodding Quote: Yes. Sasuke was ready to stab Sakura. That should be the definitive proof that Sasusaku is only an illusion. But it was clear from the moment Sasuke left the village. Really. Kairi.nin Oh-HO. Now some particular NaruSaku fans have the nerve to call us delusional. That SasuSaku is going up in flames. That the future of our favorite pairing is looking bleaker by the second.
Fine. Call me a delusional idiot, but I saw no proof in these past few chapters that the future is looking "bleaker."
Where's confirmation that Sasuke was really going to use his blade on Sakura? He had the Sharingan activated beforehand, and it is highly possible that he saw Yamato coming before anyone else, which could have been the reason he was charging his chidori-fied sword up.
Then again, Yamato's "Those eyes.. ! He's dangerous!" line has me thinking that Sasuke seriously was going to attack Sakura. If he had.. well, he HAS spent the past 2.5 years training with Orochimaru. Of course he's changed -- but so has Sakura.
If neither of them had moved in to attack the other, then their character development was for nothing. Kishimoto is trying to show us how much Sasuke has truly changed. It's getting across to some people, but anti-SasuSaku fans see this as their chance to bring us down.Quote: Yes. Sasuke was ready to stab Sakura. That should be the definitive proof that Sasusaku is only an illusion.
I addressed the "Sasuke was ready to stab Sakura" statement above.Quote: But it was clear from the moment Sasuke left the village. Really.
That, to me, was the true end of NaruSaku. And they call us delusional.
Also in my opinion, the moment Sasuke left the village.. ? If anything, that was the beginning of the end of SasuSaku. That was when Sakura finally openly admitted her true feelings. It could not have ended there. It just.. wouldn't make sense if it did.
Ah, well..
Keep the faith, everyone. There's still hope. i m o g e n Actually, I believe Sasuke would have had no hesitation in cutting Sakura. What I don't believe, however, is that he would have killed her. People claim Sasuke to be a murderer and a killing machine now, but as of far, we have not seen him kill anybody. Not even Yamato, whom he could have easily killed yet instead chose to stab him through the shoulder, immobilizing him. The same is implied with Sai and Naruto. And as for SasuSaku being only an illusion- yeah right. neutral Kawaii_Angel05 Like Kairi said, it does look like NaruSaku ended in the hospital. Naruto looked like he realized that Sakura loves Sasuke very much.
Chapter 181/Episode 109 played a huge part on the SasuSaku relationship. First of all, like Kairi said, Sakura told Sasuke she loved him. Her feelings towards Sasuke is no longer a crush from that point. Second, Sasuke responded to her by saying the best thing he could: "Thank You". Looking at Sasuke's character, would he be the type of person to say that? He would usually just say "Hn" or "Aa" or not respond at all. There are other SasuSaku things I could point out in that episode but I shall try to keep this short. Quote: ..I mean the absolute anger that Sakura had directed towards Sasuke as she went to strike him (which was botched up because Yamato didnt think Sakura could dodge Sasuke's sword) was an indication that she didnt love him anymore. Kawaii_Angel05 Absolute anger? And Sakura is angry at Sasuke... for what? She looks full of determination to knock some sense into him (note the flashback of her talking to Naruto about bringing Sasuke back). And about 'she didn't love him anymore'.. According to the translation Sakura says, "With my own power, I will stop you!" But then again, lets look at the raw scans again shall we? =D She still refers Sasuke as 'Sasuke-kun' as she attacks (which is automatically translated to 'You' since Sakura saying 'I will stop Sasuke-kun!' to Sasuke would be silly =P). If she didn't love him anymore, wouldn't she refer him as "Sasuke" or "Anata"? Quote: "Sakura you just don't get it. Sasuke doesn't care about girls at this point in his life, and even if he did, why would he choose you? You're loud, not very strong, tend to get in the way, and too self-conceited. Plus you just don't get it when he rejects you, you worry about your hair, or weight, and not the important things like making yourself a better ninja." Iia I'm REALLY wondering just HOW MUCH of the manga/anime this guy/gal has read/seen.
Even before the time skip, I think that Sakura was a major part of Team 7, weakest or not. I admit, I hated Sakura for most of the time until the time skip, but I still knew she was a major part of the squad.
She WAS strong back then. How? Sure, she wasn't CLOSE to having strength like Sasuke or Naruto in terms of power, BUT:
1.) She was the smartest on the team. SASUKE even told her that himself. She was able to answer the questions on the first part of the chuunin exam by herself. What did Sasuke do? Used his Sharingan to copy offo f somebody. What did Naruto do? He didn't cheat, but he didn't answer any of the questions, either. She was also good at setting traps.
2.) She has the best chakra control. Let's go back a bit. To the Zabuza/Haku storyline. Remember the chakra control exercise? It took DAYS for both Sasuke and Naruto to make it to the top of the tree, with difficulty. How long did it take Sakura? She did it on her FIRST try. Not second, not third; her first try. And she did it with EASE. Yet again, she's beaten Sasuke and Naruto.
3.) Back to the Chuunin Exams. Preliminaries. Who did Sakura fight against? Yamanaka Ino. According to what I've heard, read, and seen for myself, I've concluded that Ino was the strongest female genin of their year. Her father is a very skilled ninja, and I think Ino was very strong from the beginning of the manga. Sakura was much worse off. Now ,when they fought, they TIED. To say that Sakura tied with someone much stronger than she was at the start has to say something. That something is that she has gotten stronger, because I don't think Ino got weaker, and the fact that they were best friends at one time affected both girls, not just one.
4.) She has courage. A LOT of it. To me, courage is being scared and uncertain, and facing your fears head on anyways. She's definitly proved that. (And remember, I'm only talking BEFORE the timeskip.) She wasn't confident about the chuunin exams, yet she went with it anyway, because her team-mates thought she could. She's gone forth to protect either a teammate or a client despite who's charging at her (The Chuunin from the Wave Country I think, and after that Gaara in a partial form of the Shukaku). She's done a lot to prove that she's a worthy member of her team.
Self-conceited? I think she's the exact opposite. She's done loads to take care of both Naruto and Sasuke.
And the only time she was really worried about her hair or looks was at the very beginning of the series. During the Chuunnin Exams, she cut her hair, so I don't think she really cared, and I never heard her complain about how dirty she was after the chuunin exams or after a mission. I think after becoming a ninja and after the bell-exercise, she pretty much got over herself and started worrying about those around her.
And after the timeskip, Sakura is a totally different person. She's is VERY strong. I'll give a few short points.
1.) She's said to be the best medic-nin in Konoha aside from Tsunade herself.
2.) Proving that point, she was able to make an antidote to Sasori's poison, something NOBODY in the entire village of Suna could do.
3.) xD Kakashi's expression during the bell excersise (after the timeskip) says it all. You KNOW he was't expecting her to obliterate the ground he was hiding in.
4.) Along with Chiyo-san, Sakura defeated Sasori, who is a member of the Akatsuki. She was impaled with a poisoned sword, dammit! gonk I would've died on the spot! Sakura pulled through though, and I think that alone makes her really strong.
Now, need I REALLY say more? o.o Aznkizz Okay, first of all guys do care about girls. They can care about them conciously, subconciously, and unconciously(AlterEgo: That's all the ways you can do anything, idiot...). Even Sasuke cares about them. The first thing that he cares about is avoiding his damn fan girls... and i'm to lazy at the moment to think up the other ways he cares about girls at this point in his life.... Now, why would he choose our dear Sakura? He would choose to care about her because he is part of his team, like DUH! No matter how much Sakura seemed like the weakest link of the team, Sasuke supported her. If I might add, she occasionally supported him as well. Where would Sasuke have been if Sakura didn't take care of him while he was ill in the forest of death or w/e? Sakura is the closest girl to Sasuke and she understands him more than she did when she was a fan girl. She has matured. Oh and for your information, strong has MANY definitions. In my version of Merriam Webster's it has 19 definitions(not including the sub-definitions). Here's a few: strong- 1)having great muscular power 2)able to bear or endure 3)having or exhibiting moral or intellectual force, endurace, or vigor Now let's examine this... Let's say Sakura wasn't strong as in Definition 1 but she has undergone training from Tsunade and she did happen to locate Kakashi underground with her super strength but let's put that aside for now... Definition #2 Sakura was able to tie with Yamanaka Ino during the Chuunin exams as she endured every strike and blow Ino had inflicted on her Definition #3 Although Ino had taken control of Sakura's mind through a jutsu, Sakura was able to break free from it through using her Inner Strength also known as Inner Sakura. Getting in the way, you say? There's always going to be someone who does that. She really doesn't get in the way too much if you think about it... 'Cause it's Sasuke's choice to protect her if he WANTS to. He could always leave that job up to Naruto if he didn't want to do it HIMSELF... Loud? So you'd rather have a timid, quiet, shy Sakura? That's Hinata's role in the story! Sakura being the loud one she is adds to the humor of her rivalries with Naruto! While Naruto and Sasuke have quiet murmurs or cold stare fights, Sakura and Naruto have their loud obnoxious fights! Conceited? Come on! Most girls think about their looks nowadays! Are you saying that we're conceited just 'cause we want to look nice? (Lots of guys actually think about how a girl looks so excuse us that guys can be such perverts and jerks!) If you actually think about what you say you might realize that weight can be a very important aspect of being a ninja. You need to be healthy and have good stability to be a ninja although that might not be the case for Chouji's family... but they have different strengths to rely on... Sakura did happen to cut her hair too so that takes away her caring about her hair... Anyway, what's with the Sakura bashing? Just 'cause you don't like SasuSaku doesn't mean you have to bash Sakura stressed I conclude SasuSaku is heart
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:15 pm
Quote:Quote: Sakura never loved Sasuke. It was just a silly childish crush. Plus, Sasuke can't ever love her. She's going to give up soon when she relizes this and go and love Naruto. Kairi.nin I disagree. I strongly disagree.
It was a silly childish crush in the beginning. She was his fan-girl, and she was no different from Ino and the other girls that fawned over him. But come on, she was twelve. Most twelve-year-olds act that way when they come across someone famous or popular. Though none of them liked him for who he was, but because he was handsome and the best in the class.
Then Sakura got to know him, in a way the other girls couldn't, seeing as how she was the one assigned to the same team as him. The two of them, along with Kakashi and Naruto, trained together, ate together, and even slept beside each other. You can't do all that and not become familiar with the person you're doing it with.
Over time, she never stopped liking him. She stopped fan-girling eventually, but that was because her feelings were maturing. She was protected by him, protected him, cried for him, showed that she would die for him[the Gaara fight], and even saw how dangerous he could be with the Cursed Seal, but she continued to stick by his side. Not once did she even think, "Oh, he's too dangerous. I should stop liking him and start liking Naruto!"
And if she didn't give up in the past, what makes people think she'll give up 2.5 years later? She spent a good portion of Part I trying to get with Sasuke, so why would she suddenly give up? When the three of them first met, I recall Sakura saying that her dream involved Sasuke.. or something like that, while Sasuke's involved killing his brother and restoring his clan, and Naruto's involved becoming Hokage. Hints of the future, maybe? It's possible.
Also, you don't offer to give up everything to travel with someone you don't love, or at least have a very strong friendship with. Sakura was willing to become a traitor, just so she could go along with Sasuke and help him with revenge. Does that sound like a silly childish crush to you?
Sasuke CAN love her. If he has the ability to save Naruto without even knowing it, then he has the ability to love. As long as he has feelings and emotions, he can love someone. Yeah, in these past manga chapters he seemed dead to the world, but now that the issue of drugs has come up.. who knows what's going on inside his mind. Plus, he could have been acting like he didn't care that they were there. It's a freaking possibility. ~chibi kagome62~ Like Kairi, I strongly disagree.
'A silly childhood crush'? Didn't Sakura make it clear when she screamed out she loved Sasuke with all her heart and would do anything for him that it wasn't just a silly childhood crush? It may have started with her just being a fangirl, but as she began to know him on a more personal level, her 'crush' developed into something much more meaningful. She does love Naruto, as well as Kakashi, but more of a family love.
And about Sasuke not being able to love her, when has that ever been stated? He admitted that Sakura, Naruto and Kakashi were very close to him. If he can feel that closeness, why wouldn't he be able to love someone? Cherrihana Quote: Sakura never loved Sasuke. It was just a silly childish crush. Plus, Sasuke can't ever love her. She's going to give up soon when she relizes this and go and love Naruto.
Peoples feelings mature and that includes Sakura's. So what if she was a fangirl at the beginning? You don't really expect her to really love him just like that without any development and time together, do you? Thought so. Time progesses, peoples feelings change. More time spent with the person, more time to understand the person. This is what Sakura went through and in the end I believe she did love Sasuke eventually.
Sakura's very loyal. She will stick by Sasuke no. matter. what. Whether he loves her back or not. And freaking seriously, do you honestly think just because she 'discovers' Sasuke will never love her back that she will just go, "Oh well, I'll just go love Naruto." Thats unfair to Naruto because he'd basically be the 'second choice' and if it did happen Sakura would only love Naruto because Sasuke was incapable of returning her feelings. That sounds like a really effed up relationship. =/
Sasuke's a human, people. He can love. Just because hes more familiar to the feeling of hatred doesn't mean he can't love. I even think he loved Sakura, Naruto and Kakashi (not romantically >.>) because he said that they were his precious friends. Well you can't exactly call people precious to you and yet hate them at the same time, that would make no sense whatsoever. Sheesh, so many people fail to see that Sasuke is human and yes, he also has feelings like a person, he is able to feel. And love is a feeling, so he can freaking love. Thank you for reading. XDQuote: I hate Sasuke. So there. I'm not joking. I really do. He's a traitorous, power-hungry little b*****d who'll go off to evil just to get stronger, so that he can kill his brother. I mean, how stupid. Plus he's a selfish git. Yup. i m o g e n ALRIGHT. This really pisses me off. Fandom, you've known from the start of the Naruto series that Sasuke's goal in life was to kill the man who massacred his clan in front of his eyes. You call him a traitor because he is following this path? Are you saying that Naruto could have taken care of Itachi and everything in Sasuke's life would shine? Or are you saying that Sasuke should forget entirely the sole reason why his clan was massacred? Yes. Sasuke knows Orochimaru is evil. Yes he knows he has betrayed Konoha. But guess what? He also knows that what he did was for the best. He could not stay and become attached to those who might have been put in danger. He figured this out after he realized Itachi's true goal- Naruto. He even told Naruto to leave him when he was chasing him. He is NOT selfish. Stop it. And I wouldn't say he is power-hungry because he has a logical reason to be in need of it. Face it, there is no way Sasuke can ever be in peace without ever killing Itachi and finding out the reason why his clan was massacred in the first place. He has no choice in what he is doing. He has never had a choice. I'll add more to this argument, after I stop letting my anger get in the way. Agh. I'm an Itachi fan too, but how can you claim to hate Sasuke for being power-hungry and evil and love Itachi for it? Cherrihana Right then, so Sasuke was really young when his clan was massacred. Of course to you people out there that gives him no reason to have grown up all anti-social, to me he grew up the way I would've grew up had that happened to me at such a young age. So what if Naruto was all happy and energetic despite always being hated? I don't want every character to freaking be the same, theres a difference between Naruto and Sasuke and they handle different situations in different ways. And Sasuke had it far worse IMO. Besides, how did he know that he was going to become close to Sakura, Naruto and Kakashi and be a part of Team 7 back then? He didn't.
His ambition was to get revenge on Itachi and it always has been even before Team 7 was formed. What do you expect? Revenge has been stuck in his head for god knows how long. He even tried to think that his future was to stay with Team 7 and just do missions with them, thats what he said in chapter 181 but he decided on revenge in the end. I can understand that since revenge was his goal and it must've made him uneasy to just stay in Konoha knowing Itachi is out there somewhere. You've got to see it from Sasuke's POV sometimes. rolleyes
Selfish? Selifish!? He almost gave up his life for Naruto, he'd do anything to save Sakura or any of them as a matter of fact. Both Sakura and Naruto knew what his ambition was. Sheesh. If he was really that selfish he wouldn't have said Thank you to Sakura, knocked her out and placed her on the bench so she didn't have to see him go, he didn't kill Naruto either. Yes, hes power-hungry and thats understandable, he just wants the power to kill Itachi I don't he'd gives a damn about the power after hes killed Itachi. He just can't exactly relax or feel at peace unless he gets revenge for his family. Quote: Sasuke and Sakura aren't happening! Sakura already loves Naruto. She even ran to him to stop him from changing into kyuubi!! She did the same thing for Sasuke! So that means that she loves him! And Naruto still loves her!!! I'm sure of it. He loved her from the beginning and he's the type of guy to always work hard for what he wants. So it'll definetely be Naruto + Sakura in the end!! Cherrihana First of all, I'd like to use this chance to argue against the "Sakura never loved Sasuke" So your saying, since Sakura did the same thing she did to Sasuke means that she loves Naruto therefore you have just admitted Sakura did indeed love Sasuke. Isn't this wonderful? You have just destroyed one of the most used reasoning for the anti-sasusaku people.
Anyhoo. Yes, Sakura loves Naruto but it might not nessacarily be romantically. I think what Sakura and Naruto both want right now is to have good old Team 7 back. From what I can tell by reading the manga, Naruto is thinking about Sasuke and how much he wants him back because of the 'bonds' and Sakura is thinking about the entire team Kakashi, Sasuke AND Naruto and how she wants to actually help this time. Which brings us back to that moment of her running to stop Naruto turning kyuubi. I think she did that because she realised and remembered her promise that they would get Sasuke back together and that this time she'd actually help and she can tell that Naruto really wants to bring Sasuke back but going kyuubi is dangerous, that scene is showing her growth and her devotion to ALL her teammates.
To be honest, I think you are twisting Sakura's thoughts and squeezing in romance to make it seem NaruSaku. You have to admit that Sasuke will most probably always be the first thing Naruto and Sakura want and they most certainly wouldn't be thinking about starting a relationship with eachother. I mean, do you honestly think Sakura was thinking about how much she loved Naruto in that scene? Kairi.nin LIES! [Sorry.]
If I saw one of my best friends changing into a monster that nearly flattened my village 15 years before, I would do the exact same thing Sakura did. But does that mean I love him? No, I just care for him. Deeply. Naruto and Sakura have been through a lot. They have a strong bond, but that doesn't guarantee that they'll end up together.
In the beginning, Naruto did not love Sakura. He liked her, like Hinata liked him, like Lee liked Sakura, and like Sakura liked Sasuke. It seemed as though none of their feelings were serious at the time. However, Sakura's feelings were able to grow and develop the more she got to know the person she liked. I suppose the same can be said for Naruto, but really, after the hospital scene, and the scene where he made the 'Promise of a Lifetime', it looked to me like he had given up on trying to get with Sakura.
"..he's the type of guy to always work hard for what he wants."
The only thing he is trying hard to get right now is Sasuke. Dating is practically the last thing on his mind. And if working hard is all someone needs to gain someone's love, then Rock Lee should have gotten Sakura a long time ago -- but I assume the LEAVES destroyed most chances of that pairing becoming canon. Iia I won't even go into the explaining where you admit that Sakura loves Sasuke. Cherrihana a;ready did that. xD Ahem.
I think that Sakura and Naruto share more of a sibling love, than a romantic love. The way I see it, Naruto is just infatuated with her. It's merely a big crush that he's always had. After the time skip, that all seems to just have really died down. They're both too focused on Sasuke right now. Sakura's not even thinking of her love for Sasuke. They both just want him back. And I believe when he gets back, it'll go back to normal with Naruto and Sakura, which is (in my eyes), Naruto simply crushing over Sakura, and Sakura, bieng a sister or best friend to him. However, with the confession Sakura gave to Sasuke before he left, there's a lot of tension leeft between them, so I think thing will get deeper from there. >> And SasuSaku will happen.
I just think the chances of SasuSaku seem so much higher than NaruSaku. underworld-girl Sakura hasn't shown any interest in Naruto. Some sparks may be seen but none of them are focused in having romantic relationships. BOTH are focused in getting Sasuke back. They are working hard together for that specific goal. Sakura ran to stop Naruto from changing to kyuubi because she didn't want to. I mean, she cares for Naruto but just because she did that with Sasuke before doesn't mean that she loves Naruto. Any friend would do the same. That really doesn't prove anything to me. Naruto loved Sakura but he isn't focused on that at the moment. Sure, he still loves her (if any) but he knows that the important thing right now, especially for Sakura is getting Sasuke back. And Sakura knows that that is Naruto's wish as well. If they stayed together it would exclude Sasuke and make it look like they didn't really put their efforts in Sasuke. They just did something and hooked up meaning that it look like they doubt Sasuke's return. Besides, if they loved each other they would've confessed a long time ago now that they don't really have anyone in the way. So what I see between them is just a connection of respect and a deep friendship. Besides, Naruto never confessed to Sakura. He just does things for her which are nice. --The Trusty Sidekick-- Okay, I would like to point out a lot of these so called facts that NaruSaku fans are debating. First off, where and when does Sakura state "I love Naruto". Lets put it to the test. Everyone, Find proof that she said that. When you can easily find her confessing LOVE to Sasuke. And Of course Sakura would stop Naruto from changing into Kyuubi. For a few reasons. One, they may not be romantically involved, but NO ONE will sit back and let their friends change for the worse. NO ONE. Second, If he changed she would be in danger, everyone would be in danger. Think about it. And for everytime Sakura has stopped someone from doing something, that means she loves him. Okay if that was the case of love I can see the whole "Slut" Thing. But you know what. I dont think love is defined that way. Not in my book. Naruto may love her, or he may like her a lot. That doesnt mean a thing. He is looking for Sasuke because he promise Sakura the he would bring him back FOR HER. Because she loves him. Thats what friends do.
And there I think Ive discussed my point there. I just really find it hard to believe that some NaruSaku fans blurt out these so called "facts" but where is their proof. *sighs* And they said we were the ones deluding ourselves. Quote: They say that at first Sakura's crush on him turned into true love!?Uhh well for one thing it can only be true love if that person loved you back.And Sasuke had made it clear many time's that he didn't love Sakura, he basically hated her plus Sakura was only 12 how can she even know what love is? Just about all 12 year old's have a crush and act like they are madly in love with them..Remember Sasuke is an advenger, not a lover.If he loved her would he had left to go with Orichimaru?Also some were aking about the fight between Naruto and Gaara, when it was Naruto fighting to save Sakura's life not Sasuke. i m o g e n Quote: They say that at first Sakura's crush on him turned into true love!? Her later feelings for Sasuke were definitely deeper than her initial crush. Think. She was a fangirl at first. She liked Sasuke because she thought he was "cool." But after the Forest of Death scene, she learned more about him. She was entrusted with his secret, a secret that she didn't want to keep. From that moment forth, she became concerned about him. Did she really FANGIRL over him after that? No. Quote: Uhh well for one thing it can only be true love if that person loved you back.And Sasuke had made it clear many time's that he didn't love Sakura, he basically hated her plus Sakura was only 12 how can she even know what love is? Oi, oi. What definition of "true love" are you looking at? And what makes you think that Sasuke didn't care for Sakura? He's saved her plenty. The time when Sakura was entrapped from Gaara's sand? (Where she purposely stepped in Gaara's path to shield an injured Sasuke from his attack?) Sasuke told Naruto to go and rescue her so that none of the two (Naruto and Sakura) would be hurt by Gaara. He was going to attempt to bring down Gaara. "I don't want to see anymore of my friends hurt." Quote: plus Sakura was only 12 how can she even know what love is? Oho. So obviously whereas Naruto's and Lee's "crush" is TRUE LOVE, 12-year-old Sakura can't know her own heart? Even when Kishimoto dedicated a chapter to it? Yeah. Chapter 1-8-1. And the page spread where Sakura declared her feelings to Sasuke. "I love you with all my heart!" She was crying. And she was willing to still do anything to help Sasuke, even if it meant betraying the village. Yes, her obsession with Sasuke might be scary, but it's so very essential to the growth of her character. Quote: JRemember Sasuke is an advenger, not a lover.If he loved her would he had left to go with Orichimaru?Also some were aking about the fight between Naruto and Gaara, when it was Naruto fighting to save Sakura's life not Sasuke. Again, he said so himself when Sakura was entrapped by Gaara's sand that he didn't "want to see anymore of [his] friends hurt." You are right to assume that Sasuke cannot love just yet. He HAS to complete his life's mission should he ever want to live normally, peacefully. But you are wrong to assume he can't ever love. I believe he will return to Konoha, one way or another. Kishimoto has depicted the lengths to which Sakura and Naruto will go to retrieve him. Team 7 is Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura. Not just Naruto and Sakura. Sasuke will come back. And don't assume that SasuSaku is completely out of the picture. Every and any pair still has a chance of happening. What EXACT and outright proof do you have that Naruto LOVES Sakura and vice versa? Has it ever been exclaimed? What I have seen (YES I read the current manga), so far is the sort of best-of-pals type of relationship. They flirt, but it's always harmless. Both are too focused on getting Sasuke back. And that's how the show will run until he DOES return. Kairi.nin We don't know for certain that her crush turned into true love, but it was damn well close to it if anything. And who the hell came up with "it's only true love if that person loves you back"? That is the biggest load of BS I've heard in a while. If you have been through so much with one person, and truly got to know that person, you could very well love them without the said person loving you back. Trust me, I should know. I've been in relationships like that.
Oh, just because they're twelve they can't know what love is? Really? Then why don't we go ahead and say, "Just because they're twelve, how can they know what hate is?" Or even friendship, for that matter? Love can be known for anyone and by anyone at any time in their life. You don't learn or know what it is at a certain age. It isn't something taught in school, it's something that you feel deep within yourself.
Sasuke's an avenger, yes, but he is also HUMAN. He can love, too. He's fighting for the family he loved, isn't he? Sure, that's not romantic love, but it IS love, nonetheless. And he can be a lover. He just needs to kill Itachi first, and have some sense knocked into him.
And that "If he loved her would he had left to go with Orichimaru?" line is also stupid as hell. Even if he loved her, he would have gone to Orochimaru, anyway. It was practically written in the stars. He was dead-set on going to that creep. NO ONE could change his mind. True, Kakashi almost did, but then the Sound Four showed up.
It's HIS life. He is going to do what ever he feels is right.
.. Why did she mention the battle between Gaara and Naruto? .. Anyway.. That fight was clear evidence that Naruto and Sakura both mean something to Sasuke. He thinks/thought of them as his important people.
AGH. SASUKE DOES NOT HATE SAKURA!
Jeeze. I felt like telling Sakura that she was annoying plenty of times in the series, but I never hated her. You know, you CAN find someone more annoying than anything and still like them. It's pretty normal, in fact. Especially when it comes to couples.
But it's SO obvious that he hates her! I mean, how dare he be angry that someone hurt her, and fight to protect her! That is so MEAN. Oh, and then there's that part where he catches her from falling. The nerve. And we certainly can NOT forget the scene where he thanks her before having the decency to lay her down on a bench instead of letting her stay unconscious on the cold, hard GROUND. /sarcasm
He knocked her out before doing that, yes. However, did you ever stop to think he did that to protect her? If she followed him.. if she went with him to Orochimaru, she would have more than likely been killed.
Sasuke cared for Sakura and Naruto both -- and if he was capable of that, then he's perfectly capable of being a lover. underworld-girl To define love: Is the feeling of deep affection towards another person which makes you put that person's interests, needs and feelings above your own. Sakura was willing to leave everything behind (friends and family) to go with Sasuke. Is that not love? If it isn't then I don't know what it is! True love isn't necesarrily being a mutual love. True love is having true and deep feelings for the person you love.True that Sasuke is an avenger but that doesn't leave him from having feelings of his own. Before Sasuke knocked out Sakura (before leaving) he thanks her after confessing. Is clear that Sasuke aknowledge her feelings and felt greatful that he meant something for her. He didn't want to leave thinking that her condession had no effect on him. Doens't that mean that he cares? Sasuke went to Orochimaru for his own reasons. He excluded Naruto and Sakura from them so that doesn't really make sense. Naruto and Gaara's fight? Naruto not saving Sasuke? What the hell does that have to do with the discussion?! Naruto wanted to save both Sakura AND Sasuke. Sakura was going to die by Gaara and Sasuke was too weak by the curse seal to even stand up. Sasuke asked Naruto help Sakura because she was trapped by Gaara's sand. Sasuke doesn't show his feelings but is clear that Sakura means something to him. Otherwise, why would he personally ask Naruto to help her? He considered her an important person in his life. Hello!!! Naruto also means something to Sasuke. Sasuke doesn't hate Sakura, he may think she's annoying but that's he cares for her. He has saved her, he has gotten pissed off when she's hurt, he was aknowledge her improvements, he has protected her...omg...he hates her so much...that b*****d!!! Naruto and Sakura both mean something to Sasuke. If Sasuke didn't had such a rough childhood and wasn't an avenger...I think is very possible that he could learn to be a lover. Cherrihana What the hell? So you can't truly love someone unless they love you back? You fail at defending your points. Anyway, I think Sasuke made it pretty damn clear he loves Sakura, maybe not in a romantic way (yet >>; ) but he did care for her a lot. You obviously also fail at being able to understand a character as complicated as Sasuke since he doesn't show his emotions and feelings to the world. Sasuke never hated Sakura in my opinion, thought she was annoying at first, yes. But not enough to hate her. If he gets majorly pissed because she got hurt or attempts to cheer her up when she was upset then he doesn't hate her. He cares about her enough to do so.
A lot of things are possible. To be able to feel feelings inside you that are truly love at 12 years of age is possible. Especially in their world where they are learning things everyday, they have matured greatly since the beginning of the series and feelings mature too. Sakura can know what love is, she loves her family and friends and would risk her life for them. She knows how to love so she can damn well know how to love someone romantically. If she didn't really love Sasuke then she would have realised that back in Part 1 somewhere because shes not that stupid to forever assume a crush as 'love'. Which brings me to the conclusion that she does love Sasuke because she seemed so sure of it. At the thank-you scene, it sounded and felt like she understands her own feelings, she knows well what she is feeling and that is love.
And for gods sake, once more someone drags in the 'Sasuke is an avenger, blah blah blah' Sakura knows that Sasuke is an avenger and that hes not exactly the type to show his love for someone openly. In Sasuke's heart, he truly did try to forget about Itachi and live on as part of Team 7 but it was probably hard for him to think that way. Sasuke's whole family and clan was killed by Itachi and he was the only one left alive. Itachi practically told Sasuke to keep living so one day he could face Itachi again. You can't push something like that out of your mind and grow up normally, happily and not feel guilty and troubled about it. For Sasuke to completely feel at ease and to be able to move on, he felt he had to get power and kill Itachi so he can rest at peace knowing hes dead. I've had to explain this 213809874392 times.
And I laugh at your last point. Lets say Sakura's life was not at risk and she wasn't smashed agaisnt the tree and left there to die. Lets just say that was Sasuke instead? And guess what? Naruto would do the same freaking thing for Sasuke. The amount of times he said "I will save 'everyone'!" also in that scene completely ruins your point. In his time of thinking about what to do he glances back at both Sakura AND Sasuke. And what does this have to do at all about SasuSaku? Its more like your now bashing SasuNaru, shame they happen to both be my favourite pairings. All I can say is Sasuke cares for Naruto and Sakura, Naruto cares for Sakura and Sasuke and Sakura cares for Sasuke and Naruto. Basically, they all care for eachother even though sometimes Sasuke may not show it and back in Part 1 Sakura may have seemed to hate Naruto but you can just tell she doesn't. Team 7 equals friendship, love and loyalty. tenshinohana-chan I put in my favorite parts for this debate.tenshinohana-chan InuyashasAshaka Same thing with SasukeXSakura.They say that at first Sakura's crush on him turned into true love!?Uhh well for one thing it can only be true love if that person loved you back.And Sasuke had made it clear many time's that he didn't love Sakura, he basically hated her plus Sakura was only 12 how can she even know what love is? eek Just about all 12 year old's have a crush and act like they are madly in love with them..Remember Sasuke is an advenger, not a lover.If he loved her would he had left to go with Orichimaru?Also some were aking about the fight between Naruto and Gaara, when it was Naruto fighting to save Sakura's life not Sasuke.
A parting with a loved one that tears at her heart
(Pic of Sakura)
“How is it you never say anything, why do you always say nothing to me…”
Sasuke left the Leaf Village. Sakura’s heart did not reach him. Naturally lonely and peace loving, for Sakura, the loss of one teammate causes her great pain.
Thus, if that person is someone she loves, the pain is greater. So she shouts out her love which goes unheeded, squeezing the words out of her throat. It’s as if this is her imprisoning destiny.
“Sasuke, I like you so much I don’t know what to do!”
This is what KISHIMOTO himself said in the databook. DATABOOK, people, meaning these are facts in themselves. If you would like a complete look at Sakura's part in the second databook, click here. Hopefully it'll enlighten you a bit on Sakura's feelings.
Now, as for Sasuke's feelings, though it IS true that Sasuke may not have feelings like love for Sakura, he doesn't necessarily hate her. Why else would he have thanked her in Chapter 181?
Here is another clipping from the Naruto Databook 2.
Companions
Sasuke, who only had power for revenge, becomes stronger because of his companions. His true place would have been a future among them.
“I once lost everything. I don’t want to see my special companions die again in front of my eyes.”
The young lion opens his eyes with the lives of his companions in his hands.
And:
Separation
Towards darkness… The one to appear before him is Sakura. She confesses to him as he tries to leave without looking behind him. She confesses with a blindingly uncompromising mind that does not want to lose him. The one that filled his lonely existence was Sakura. But he cannot let her in. He leaves with just one word of thanks.
The days when the light shone
In Sasuke room there is a picture…there are companions, a teacher and he who is not alone. This symbolizes the young(genin) days he spent at the Leaf. He lays flat this picture the day he leaves. Quietly, but for sure, he is saying goodbye to those days.
(Pic picture frame)
This was just a simple picture but it was still something special to Sasuke.
(Pic of Sasuke’s back)
I’ve walked the path with companions. Now I walk the lonely path of revenge.
Sakura who needed him to the very last. His words were real.
“Thank you…”
If you want more explanations about Sasuke, click here. InuyashasAshaka The only two that I can see ever geting togather is the main boy character "Naruto", and the main girl character "Sakura.There are rules of anime, and it says they the main boy or girl character, falls in love with the main girl/ or boy character. InuyashasAshaka Sakura may seem to to love "Sasuke" but it's just a crush.After Sasuke leaves Sakura begins to develope feeling's for Naruto, she cryes for him and puts her neck on the line for him, just as Naruto dose for him.Plus in the manga when they are 15 in the two year skip,It's clear that Naruto's feeling for Sakura still haven't changed. In the latest chaper's in the manga when Naruto,Sakura,Sasori, and Sai head out for the grass county, Naruto begins to turn into the nine-tailed fox.Sakura cries and tries to run over and stop Naruto's transformation, and after that Naruto calms down, and Sakura holds his head in her arms, and Sakura says that she can still only do so little for Naruto, and Sasori tells her it's not how she helps him it's her feeling of Naruto that count, and before Sasori was going to finish the word love, Naruto awakes. Also some fan's were saying that Sakura still want's Sasuke back, well here is what I concluded back when Sasuke first left Naruto made a promise to Sakura that he would bring Sasuke back, and in the end Naruto failed.Now in the two year skip Sakura most likly feels bad about the promise, and dosen't want Naruto to worry having to bring Sasuke back.Sakura want's to bring Sasuke back so Naruto won't have to fight anymore.
As for Sasuke, she's been training because she wants him back. So far, it hasn't been shown that Sakura has indeed thrown her romantic feelings for Sasuke and replaced them with friendly affection, but she doesn't see Naruto as a potential love interest either, as shown in Chapter 312, where she says after Naruto asks her on a date, "If you have that kind of time, then study and train instead." Meaning she just rejected a chance to be happy with Naruto for a while.
If she DID develop feelings for Naruto, that would ruin the Team 7 ambiance, because look at the way they're connected: Sakura's in love with Sasuke, Sasuke loves Naruto as a brother, and Naruto's in love with Sakura. If Sakura's feelings were removed, where is Sasuke in the equation of Team 7? Nada. Team 7 is lost. There is only Naruto and Sakura. And the plot of Naruto is flushed down the toilet, bye bye.InuyashasAshaka Example from manga:::SPOILER:: ExapleAfter the latest chapters in the manga, NarutoXSakura is making a great come back after Kishimoto has apointed Sakura for having feelings for Naruto. Kawaii_Angel05 Who says that your true feelings have to be returned in order to call it true love? Sasuke may not love Sakura romantically but he does care for her. He cheered her up during the Chuunin Exams, he demanded to know who hurted her, he catched her when she was falling, and he also protected her many times. He does not hate her either.
Sakura is smart enough to know what she feels. Chapter 181 proves what Sakura felt. She begged, cried, and threatened to scream when Sasuke left. Sakura loved Sasuke to the point where she was willing to go with him and sacrifice everything.
Even if Sasuke loved Sakura, I would believe that Sasuke would still go with Orochimaru. Sasuke is willing to do anything to gain power so he can kill Itachi. He's filled with guilt because he was the only one who survived when his entire clan and family was killed. He needs to avenge his family. It's been his goal and it's something he can't forget. When Itachi came back, Sasuke gave Itachi everything he got and tried his hardest to kill him. It makes it even harder to forget when someone makes you watch your family being murdered in your mind for about 72 freakin' hours. Sasuke did considered being happy and staying with Team 7. But what could happen if he did that? Itachi could kill his precious ones again and Sasuke would still be filled with guilt. Sasuke needs to kill Itachi first before he can live happily.
Remember, during the fight with Gaara, Sasuke said he doesn't want to see anyone important to him die anymore. This proves Sasuke does care as well. Also, don't excude Sasuke out of Team 7. Naruto cares for Sasuke as much as he cares for Sakura. And both Sakura and Naruto are training hard to save Sasuke because he is important to them. They'll do anything until Sasuke comes home.
tenshinohana-chan I read the offending post again, and I found a particular fragment that I became suddenly peeved at.
Who says true love is always one that is recquited? That person has never been in love yet, and she has absolutely no right to say this. True love occurs because you truly and deeply care about someone, just like Sakura cares for Sasuke. If she's not in love with Sasuke, she would have never:
1) jumped in front of him to protect him from a raging, demonous Gaara.
2) jumped in to stop him from killing when he was possessed by the curse seal, without regard for her own safety.
3) tried to stop him from making the biggest mistake of his life, aka leaving Konoha to go to Orochi.
4) said, with tears and a breaking heart, that she loved him.
5) said that she was willing to throw away even her life and comforts just to be with him.
6) made promises that seem too big to accomplish.
7) be driven to become the best kunoichi she could be to get him back.
Love makes a person be the best he/she can be. If I loved someone (and I do), I would make sure that even if my love isn't recquited, I would do everything in my power to prove I DO love him, and that I would the best I could be for him, not just for myself. And that's exactly what Sakura did. ShadowsChick I agree with everyone deffending SasuSaku. And I'm am willing to do anything I can to protect it. Besides what kind of proof do the offenders have against SasuSaku? Some say they hate Sasuke...but because of that they suddenly go for NaruSaku??? Some say Sakura never loved Sasuke and that they know she's going for Naruto? Where in any manga or episode was that proven??? Some say Sasuke can't love...WRONG!!!! He can too love, I mean he has loved before. And in the episodes fighting Gaara he told Naruto he never wanted anyone CLOSE TO HIM to die again. Some even say its childish for Sakura to love Sasuke. I realy don't understand that concept!!!! I mean OMG how is it childish!!!! Quote: It should be pretty obvious Sakura is over Sasuke. I mean, she didn't even do anything when Team 7 had their "reunion." Really, I think everything's she doing now is for Naruto. Kairi.nin Sakura didn't do anything? That's bull. If you're going to accuse someone of doing nothing, accuse Naruto. Although, you can't really blame him; he was still working to recover from his fight with Orochimaru. But wow. Guess that ruins SasuNaru's chance of happening, too, huh? [I had to edit this paragraph; I forgot about Sai's saving Naruto and.. that wood thing Yamato did. x_x;;]
If you ask me, her doing nothing is PROOF that she is NOT over him. Hello, look at her full page expression in Chapter 306. Her feelings are still there, or else Kishimoto wouldn't have dedicated an ENTIRE page to her reaction. "Sasuke-kun", anyone?
Oh, but she DID do something. She charged at him! It was a somewhat stupid move on her part, but at least she made an attempt. And I personally think she attacked him merely to show him how much she's changed in two and a half years.. and of course have her shot at knocking some sense into him. Stupid Yamato..
Although, if she really had done nothing.. how, exactly, would that have proved that she was over Sasuke? She could have been in shock. She could have been confused. She could have been thinking about whether or not it would be smart TO do something.
Everything she's doing now is for Naruto AND herself. She doesn't want Naruto to try and get Sasuke back by himself anymore because they're a team. If anyone's going to bring Sasuke back, it's going to be Naruto AND Sakura; together. How many times must the importance of Team 7 be mentioned here? Cherrihana Of course she did something. They all freaking done something.
Even Yamato and Sai did something.
I would certainly agree with you if Sakura was there yet her reaction was not shown, or she was not shown at all or think/speak/attempt to attack.
Unfortunately for you, she did all of those things. Therefore she did something at the Team 7 reunion. Just because they didn't quite hurt Sasuke at all or do anything all that useful in their goal, they all had their part. What the hell do you mean its obvious shes over Sasuke? I don't find this fact obvious in the manga at all. And if it was, I certainly find the idea horrible. You can't just make her love Naruto and want to save Sasuke as a friend and when that happens its all fine and happy? No. If Kishi really really wants to make it NaruSaku, I suggest he somehow resolves Sakura's love for Sasuke. It will make me go "huh?" if suddenly in one of the upcoming chapters she says she loves Naruto and yet nothing between Sasuke and Sakura has happened. You can't just leave the SasuSaku development/relationship like that. Sure, some may think chapter 181 was the end of SasuSaku but it also had Sakura's true feelings and love for Sasuke confessed there. Sasuke said Thank you, I assume he is thanking her for her love for him.
I think it would be just so weird for Sasuke to come back with Sakura in love with Naruto after having Sakura confess her love for him. Even if it was way back then, she said she loved Sasuke with all her heart. I believe thats completely true and that her love will not fade over 2.5 years. NaruSaku is cute, but to me it just can't fit into the series. There would have to be so many things to fix. Sasuke's reaction/thoughts about this, where the hell did Sakura's love for Sasuke go? And even what Naruto will think. To me, Naruto's crush on Sakura has faded, he may not even jump into her arms if she confesses to him. If Sakura does love Naruto and tells Naruto, even if he loves her back its not just so simple to just jump into a relationship. Naruto would have to think about how this will affect Team 7 and most importantly Sasuke if he were to get together with Sakura. I imagine him to think, "What about your feelings for Sasuke?"
And back to Sakura doing nothing at the reunion.... she freaking charged at him. She said 'I will use my own strength to stop Sasuke-kun!" She didn't say 'For Naruto' because its not just for Naruto, its for the whole of Team 7. Shes doing it for the sake of her old team. Sasuke is important to her and she knows Sasuke is very important to Naruto. She has become the strong one of the team, emotionally. When Naruto broke down after Sasuke left from the reunion, it was Sakura who encouraged him even though she was hurting deap down inside too, shes supporting her team. She was the one who was looking at the future, at what they had to do to get Sasuke back and reminded Naruto of this.
Right now in the manga, I feel no NaruSaku. I feel the importance of Team 7 and how much Sakura and Naruto just want Sasuke back so they can once again be a team.
...I'm sorry for having such long posts. x___X tenshinohana-chan I guess the panels wherein Kishi shows Sakura's shocked reaction bit by glorious bit doesn't count as doing anything, huh? It also counts as doing it for Naruto. Yeah. That's why Sakura friggin' stared in Sasuke's face for about thirty seconds before uttering "Sasuke-kun." Because she was friggin' doing it for Naruto. The staring, I mean.
And when she charged at Sasuke, that was all for Naruto, wasn't it? It wasn't like she really wanted to bring back Sasuke for Sasuke's sake, but for Naruto's sake. ZOMG, it really IS NaruSaku love! Gawd, how could I not have seen all those EXPLICITLY BLATANT NARUSAKU HINTS before? I'm so stupid not to have seen that!
...and let's act like she didn't utterly reject Naruto in 312, either.
Well, bloody dripping sarcasm (the sacred language!) aside, I LAUGH at all these NaruSaku-ers. They are utterly pointless when trying to get their "points" across. Not only that, but they put the good NaruSaku-ers (the ones who respect other pairings and actually argue brilliantly) to shame. Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together. And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that. Sasuke can never love her either. sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves. i m o g e n First and foremost, always follow the rule of thumb: Never say never. Two, Sasuke IS a main character. Just what makes you think he isn't? Three, there is no "shounen rule" that states that a certain coupling must happen. I can list several anime that don't follow this rule. Dragon Ball Z is an example. Goku the main boy married Chi Chi, the shy girl who liked him. She was not the main girl, Bulma was. But back to Naruto: We (the sasusaku fans) are allowed to ship any damn pairing we please. Why don't you anti-SasuSaku fans understand this? rolleyes Sakura will not, I repeat NOT wake up one day and go "oh, Sasuke's an a** I never liked him." Despite what you think, Sakura didn't merely just "crush" on Sasuke- there would have been no point for her love confession in Chapter 181 had it only been that. She was in love to the point that she was willing to throw away her own life for his sake. And she STILL loves him, she's still pushing herself to grow stronger so that she can help Naruto bring Sasuke back. And yes, Sasuke will probably be redeemed. I've said this before, but I believe that whole point of Kishimoto comparing Team 7 to the Legendary Sannin trio was to show the direct contrast- that Team 7 was not going to face the same ending. Also, Naruto and Sakura CANNOT have a lovey-dovey relationship of any sort without Sasuke. BOTH of them , not just Sakura, are going to bring Sasuke back. Finally, don't say that Sasuke will never love. He's not capable of love just yet, but that's because he has a mission in life that he cannot distract himself from. Afterward, it IS possible that Sasuke can love. Afterall, it was shown that he already cared greatly for Naruto and Sakura. Remedi Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! Quote: There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together. Quote: And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that. Sasuke can never love her either.
And WHAT IS WITH PEOPLE SAYING SASUKE CAN'T LOVE?! ....OMG. People, Uchiha Sasuke is a human being, whether he likes it or not. He DOES have emotions, no matter how seemigly nonexistant they are.
He loathes Itachi with a passion, correct? Is that an emotion? YES. He gets angry that he doesn't have power. Is that an emotion? YES. He broods. THAT IS AN EMOTION, TOO. I hate it how people seem to believe that just because Sasuke isn't a happy person, he's incapable of being one, or being anything for that matter. Sasuke DOES INDEED have passion people. Where is it?
Revenge. Sasuke's passion is for revenge. And when revenge is over, his passion can very well latch to something else. Will it be Sakura? Maybe not so soon. Maybe not at all. But it will still be there.Quote: sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves.
DELUDE ourselves? Excuse us for supporting something we like. Isn't there enough evidence that SasuSaku CAN become canon? I think it's a helluva lot more than NaruSaku, anyway. I don't think I've seen ONE scene, where Sakura has ever given Naruto attention showing that she likes him romantically in ANY way, and I haven't seen a single scene where Naruto's feelings for Sakura are more than just infatuation; a crush. (And you can't say the Yamato/Sakura scene...because Yamato had practically JUST MET Naruto and Sakura. >> SO how would he really know? Plus, he didn't even finish the sentence? He might have be going to say something totally different.)
I WOULD say the same for SasuSaku, but Chapter 181/Episode 109, to me, PROVES that even if Sakura doesn't love Sasuke now, that she DID love him, and that love was more than a best friend/teammate love.Kawaii_Angel05
Who the heck came up with shounen rules? That's just stupid. There's no originality to stories if every manga author followed these "rules".
Fine, Kishimoto might have Sakura get over Sasuke but why would he develop Sakura's feelings toward Sasuke in Part 1 and then make it go to waste in Part 2?
If she was to realize she can't love someone like Sasuke, she would've realized that when he left to see Orochimaru. But she didn't give up on him. She spent 2 years training hard with Tsunade to get him back. She did all that because she loves him and wants him home. And if you think Sakura does not love Sasuke, I kindly suggest watching episode 109 or reading chapter 181 again.
And who says Sasuke will never love Sakura? Sasuke loves Sakura. Not romantically but he does care. Will he love Sakura romantically one day? It's very possible. Sasuke can love. He's human.
Your last statement is very low. We read the lastest chapers and we know what's going on with the series. We can still like the SasuSaku pairing even if all the anti-SasuSaku people think it's "dead". Why? Because we all know the pairing still has a chance of becoming canon. We support the pairing no matter what. You should respect that. Kairi.nin I'll just take a moment to laugh at this person's stupidity.
HAH.
Moment over. Now to get down to business..
First of all, proof that the two won't get together.. hmm.. let me try this:
Sakura loves Sasuke. Sakura will not throw away her feelings so easily. She will not suddenly wake up and realize she never loved Sasuke to begin with. That is just NOT how her character works. She is NOT the type to give up easily.
No, I'm not saying that it's a proven fact that she still does and always will love Sasuke, and I'm just saying.. her feelings were said to be genuine, and that's exactly how I'm looking at them.
As for Naruto, you know.. to me, he just doesn't seem interested in a relationship right now. Currently, he's focused on getting Sasuke back. Yeah, he may still have a crush on Sakura, or love her, or whatever -- but Kishimoto doesn't seem to be focusing on his romantic interest right now. He's focusing on both Naruto and Sakura's desire to bring Sasuke back, not Naruto and Sakura's desire to be together[for which I have seen practically NO evidence].
The main characters of Naruto: Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura. Yes, in that order. Kakashi may be one, but with as little as he's been seen lately, I'm just not thinking that way. Anyway.. yeah, so, Naruto and Sasuke are the top two main characters. What, does that mean they HAVE to end up together? No. Sakura's the third main character, but that doesn't mean she's not important. She has played a major role in the series, and will continue doing so. She is important to both Naruto and Sasuke, but that does not mean she HAS to end up with either of them.
[This person just proved my point about NaruSaku being a cliche pairing.]
A "shounen rule"? A "shounen rule" rule my a**. Come on, show me this big book of "shounen rules" and maybe I'll believe you. There are things that happen most of the time, things that usually happen, things that will probably never happen, etc. -- but as of now, there are NO rules.
She can't love somebody like that? She ALREADY loves somebody like that, for crying out loud. And I don't want any of this "she fell in love for what he stood for" crap, either. She knew who Sasuke was; she fell in love with the REAL Sasuke. She knew him VERY well. How else would you explain her knowing that Sasuke would leave the night he did? She could feel it, she expected it. So there.
Sasuke can -- AGH. Again with the "Sasuke can never love" BS. I've said it before, but I'll say it again: a person who is capable of such hate is also capable of love, as unlikely as it may seem. After all, he is/was fighting to avenge the family he loves, right? Sure, he doesn't look like he can be a very loving and caring person right now, but after he defeats Itachi, there's a chance he can change. And he is perfectly capable of loving Sakura.
Au contraire, my friend. Why can't you anti-SasuSaku fans stop trying to delude yourselves? SasuSaku is a fairly possible pairing, as is every other pairing. tenshinohana-chan Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! Quote: There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together.
There is no such thing as shounen rules. Shounen only means that it is directed to the male population, nothing else. Although the cliche is that the main boy and girl end up together.
Kishi wanting no cliche + (main boy x main girl) = 20% possibility of NaruSaku.
I really have no idea why SasuSaku bashers/NaruSaku-ers always cite this so-called "rules of shounen". If Kishi is following any kind of guideline in making Naruto, it's the plotline of DBZ and other anime that inspired him.Quote: And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that.
Muhahaha, I rub chap 312 in your faces, NaruSaku-ers.
Quote: Sasuke can never love her either. Quote: sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves.
Maybe it's this poster who needs to stop taking hallucinogens and demand SasuSaku can never exist.Cherrihana There is no real proof to say that NaruSaku will not happen. Its all a matter of opinion, really. Whether you think Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke and/or how you interpret the way Sasuke acting towards Sakura during scenes like ep 109 and the ep 33 (Hug scene). Wheres the proof that Sasuke and Sakura won't get together? NaruSaku-ers could probably list things like Sasuke never loved Sakura or cared about her and I could debate back. Again, it depends on how you see things.
The main girl x main guy 'rule'? Fortunately, I've seen many NaruSaku supporters say they are sick of people saying that to defend their pairing. Kishi has said it before, 'screw rules' hes going to write Naruto the way he wants to write it. And according to him, he already knows exactly how it's going to end. He also doesn't want Naruto to end up cliche and like every other series out there. Thats not really in support of NaruSaku, now is it? So you can just throw this so-called 'shounen rule' out of the window because Kishi doesn't give a damn.
The show is not in support of 'giving up'. Its about working towards your dreams. At the start of the series when they are put together into Team 7 and are told to introduce themselves, they all said their dreams. Naruto's was to become Hokage, Sasuke's was to avenge his family and rebuild his clan and Sakura's was to win Sasuke's heart. There you go. What do you mean shes going to 'realise' she can't love someone like that? Just randomly on some random morning? I don't think so. I can accept NaruSaku if Kishi does something about Sakura's love for Sasuke which according to the databook her 'passion' for him has not changed. And its not about loving someone because they are 'like that'. You can't help but love someone no matter what they are and how they are. Sakura loves Sasuke. She can't just tell herself to not love him, its just not that easy.
Sasuke can love her. But he cannot show it to her or admit it openly unless he kills Itachi. Sasuke is like Naruto and Sakura, he is human. He can love. He just cannot be at ease and settle down peacefully unless he has avenged his family that he loves who unfortunately all died.
I don't see how we are deluding ourselves. You simply can't accept the fact that SasuSaku is immensly possible like any other pairing.
(I just wanted to comment on the persons post above me. I kinda disagree with the 'Lee' thing. I believe NaruSaku has always had a better chance than LeeSaku could ever have.)
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:28 am
I disagree. I strongly disagree.
It was a silly childish crush in the beginning. She was his fan-girl, and she was no different from Ino and the other girls that fawned over him. But come on, she was twelve. Most twelve-year-olds act that way when they come across someone famous or popular. Though none of them liked him for who he was, but because he was handsome and the best in the class.
Then Sakura got to know him, in a way the other girls couldn't, seeing as how she was the one assigned to the same team as him. The two of them, along with Kakashi and Naruto, trained together, ate together, and even slept beside each other. You can't do all that and not become familiar with the person you're doing it with.
Over time, she never stopped liking him. She stopped fan-girling eventually, but that was because her feelings were maturing. She was protected by him, protected him, cried for him, showed that she would die for him[the Gaara fight], and even saw how dangerous he could be with the Cursed Seal, but she continued to stick by his side. Not once did she even think, "Oh, he's too dangerous. I should stop liking him and start liking Naruto!"
And if she didn't give up in the past, what makes people think she'll give up 2.5 years later? She spent a good portion of Part I trying to get with Sasuke, so why would she suddenly give up? When the three of them first met, I recall Sakura saying that her dream involved Sasuke.. or something like that, while Sasuke's involved killing his brother and restoring his clan, and Naruto's involved becoming Hokage. Hints of the future, maybe? It's possible.
Also, you don't offer to give up everything to travel with someone you don't love, or at least have a very strong friendship with. Sakura was willing to become a traitor, just so she could go along with Sasuke and help him with revenge. Does that sound like a silly childish crush to you?
Sasuke CAN love her. If he has the ability to save Naruto without even knowing it, then he has the ability to love. As long as he has feelings and emotions, he can love someone. Yeah, in these past manga chapters he seemed dead to the world, but now that the issue of drugs has come up.. who knows what's going on inside his mind. Plus, he could have been acting like he didn't care that they were there. It's a freaking possibility.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:33 am
Like Kairi, I strongly disagree.
'A silly childhood crush'? Didn't Sakura make it clear when she screamed out she loved Sasuke with all her heart and would do anything for him that it wasn't just a silly childhood crush? It may have started with her just being a fangirl, but as she began to know him on a more personal level, her 'crush' developed into something much more meaningful. She does love Naruto, as well as Kakashi, but more of a family love.
And about Sasuke not being able to love her, when has that ever been stated? He admitted that Sakura, Naruto and Kakashi were very close to him. If he can feel that closeness, why wouldn't he be able to love someone?
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:04 am
Quote: Sakura never loved Sasuke. It was just a silly childish crush. Plus, Sasuke can't ever love her. She's going to give up soon when she relizes this and go and love Naruto.
Peoples feelings mature and that includes Sakura's. So what if she was a fangirl at the beginning? You don't really expect her to really love him just like that without any development and time together, do you? Thought so. Time progesses, peoples feelings change. More time spent with the person, more time to understand the person. This is what Sakura went through and in the end I believe she did love Sasuke eventually.
Sakura's very loyal. She will stick by Sasuke no. matter. what. Whether he loves her back or not. And freaking seriously, do you honestly think just because she 'discovers' Sasuke will never love her back that she will just go, "Oh well, I'll just go love Naruto." Thats unfair to Naruto because he'd basically be the 'second choice' and if it did happen Sakura would only love Naruto because Sasuke was incapable of returning her feelings. That sounds like a really effed up relationship. =/
Sasuke's a human, people. He can love. Just because hes more familiar to the feeling of hatred doesn't mean he can't love. I even think he loved Sakura, Naruto and Kakashi (not romantically >.>) because he said that they were his precious friends. Well you can't exactly call people precious to you and yet hate them at the same time, that would make no sense whatsoever. Sheesh, so many people fail to see that Sasuke is human and yes, he also has feelings like a person, he is able to feel. And love is a feeling, so he can freaking love. Thank you for reading. XD
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:42 pm
Quote: I hate Sasuke. So there. I'm not joking. I really do. He's a traitorous, power-hungry little b*****d who'll go off to evil just to get stronger, so that he can kill his brother. I mean, how stupid. Plus he's a selfish git. Yup. ALRIGHT. This really pisses me off. Fandom, you've known from the start of the Naruto series that Sasuke's goal in life was to kill the man who massacred his clan in front of his eyes. You call him a traitor because he is following this path? Are you saying that Naruto could have taken care of Itachi and everything in Sasuke's life would shine? Or are you saying that Sasuke should forget entirely the sole reason why his clan was massacred? Yes. Sasuke knows Orochimaru is evil. Yes he knows he has betrayed Konoha. But guess what? He also knows that what he did was for the best. He could not stay and become attached to those who might have been put in danger. He figured this out after he realized Itachi's true goal- Naruto. He even told Naruto to leave him when he was chasing him. He is NOT selfish. Stop it. And I wouldn't say he is power-hungry because he has a logical reason to be in need of it. Face it, there is no way Sasuke can ever be in peace without ever killing Itachi and finding out the reason why his clan was massacred in the first place. He has no choice in what he is doing. He has never had a choice. I'll add more to this argument, after I stop letting my anger get in the way. Agh. I'm an Itachi fan too, but how can you claim to hate Sasuke for being power-hungry and evil and love Itachi for it?
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:01 pm
Quote: I hate Sasuke. So there. I'm not joking. I really do. He's a traitorous, power-hungry little b*****d who'll go off to evil just to get stronger, so that he can kill his brother. I mean, how stupid. Plus he's a selfish git. Yup.
His ambition was to get revenge on Itachi and it always has been even before Team 7 was formed. What do you expect? Revenge has been stuck in his head for god knows how long. He even tried to think that his future was to stay with Team 7 and just do missions with them, thats what he said in chapter 181 but he decided on revenge in the end. I can understand that since revenge was his goal and it must've made him uneasy to just stay in Konoha knowing Itachi is out there somewhere. You've got to see it from Sasuke's POV sometimes. rolleyes
Selfish? Selifish!? He almost gave up his life for Naruto, he'd do anything to save Sakura or any of them as a matter of fact. Both Sakura and Naruto knew what his ambition was. Sheesh. If he was really that selfish he wouldn't have said Thank you to Sakura, knocked her out and placed her on the bench so she didn't have to see him go, he didn't kill Naruto either. Yes, hes power-hungry and thats understandable, he just wants the power to kill Itachi I don't he'd gives a damn about the power after hes killed Itachi. He just can't exactly relax or feel at peace unless he gets revenge for his family.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:04 pm
I agree with all of you guys. I'll possibly post a debate later. >> I have a MAJOR headache right now.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:10 pm
Aw, Poor you, I dread headaches. gonk
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:11 pm
Cherrihana Aw, Poor you, I dread headaches. gonk
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:19 pm
I'll defend all SasuSaku bashing. But not Sasuke bashing. This may sound ironic but I hate Sasuke. Pretty much the 15 year-old Sasuke and the Sasuke that decides to leave. I'm just pro-SasuSaku.
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:52 pm
underworld-girl I'll defend all SasuSaku bashing. But not Sasuke bashing. This may sound ironic but I hate Sasuke. Pretty much the 15 year-old Sasuke and the Sasuke that decides to leave. I'm just pro-SasuSaku.
Convert daaaamn you! XDD Kidding, kidding
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:37 am
Meh. I already have my thoughts set on him. IF he changes I might reconsider. Anyhows...what should we do in case of Sakura bashing? I'm willing to defend her even if she may annoy me.
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:31 pm
Quote: Sasuke and Sakura aren't happening! Sakura already loves Naruto. She even ran to him to stop him from changing into kyuubi!! She did the same thing for Sasuke! So that means that she loves him! And Naruto still loves her!!! I'm sure of it. He loved her from the beginning and he's the type of guy to always work hard for what he wants. So it'll definetely be Naruto + Sakura in the end!!
Anyhoo. Yes, Sakura loves Naruto but it might not nessacarily be romantically. I think what Sakura and Naruto both want right now is to have good old Team 7 back. From what I can tell by reading the manga, Naruto is thinking about Sasuke and how much he wants him back because of the 'bonds' and Sakura is thinking about the entire team Kakashi, Sasuke AND Naruto and how she wants to actually help this time. Which brings us back to that moment of her running to stop Naruto turning kyuubi. I think she did that because she realised and remembered her promise that they would get Sasuke back together and that this time she'd actually help and she can tell that Naruto really wants to bring Sasuke back but going kyuubi is dangerous, that scene is showing her growth and her devotion to ALL her teammates.
To be honest, I think you are twisting Sakura's thoughts and squeezing in romance to make it seem NaruSaku. You have to admit that Sasuke will most probably always be the first thing Naruto and Sakura want and they most certainly wouldn't be thinking about starting a relationship with eachother. I mean, do you honestly think Sakura was thinking about how much she loved Naruto in that scene?
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