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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:15 pm


This is a place for one's own philosophical writings, and the discussion of them. I will post my own here, others can post theres as well.

Since I already have one of my writings up, just check it out, it's Never, Always, and Truth.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:16 pm


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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:57 am


This is from my thread, actually the first post. Check it out here

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Tolerance
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Tolerance is a social, cultural and religious term applied to the collective and individual practice of not persecuting those who may believe, behave or act in ways of which one may not approve. Authoritarian systems practice the opposite of tolerance, intolerance. Tolerance is seen as a more widely acceptable term than "acceptance" and particularly "respect," where the application to controversial parties is concerned. Tolerance implies both the ability to punish and the conscious decision not to. It is usually applied to non-violent, consensual behavior, often involving religion, sex, or politics. It rarely permits violent behavior.

In the wider sociological sense, "tolerance" carries with it the understanding that "intolerance" and conformity breeds violence and social instability. "Tolerance" has thus become the social term of choice to define the practical rationale of permitting uncommon social practice and diversity. One only tolerates people who are disliked for their differences. While people deemed undesirable may be disapproved of, "tolerance" would require that the party or group in question be left undisturbed, physically or otherwise, and that criticism directed toward them be free of inflammatory or inciteful efforts.


"Errare humanum est", which means that it is totally humanly to make mistakes in latin is a true statement. But even though it is humanly to make mistakes, people often don't realize that they are making any. Isn't stereotyping; being hypocritical; being shallow, greedy, selfcentered and selfish just a big human "mistake"? Yes, we can prevent acting in that way, but the question is: Do we want to? Most people don't even realize that they are acting this way. What about hurting other people physically (through violence) and psychologically (through words)? Often we don't realize (more in the psychological way) when we hurt another person's feelings, but when our feelings are hurt the end of the world has arrived!? Even though I do agree that it is ok to make mistakes, I do not agree with making the same mistakes over and over again. History should have taught us a lot about human nature, but instead of seeing all the flaws that we can discover in the history of mankind and change ourselves so that we act differently, better, we might think, that we are already a lot better, that ancient people were backward and dumb, that things like the persecution of Jews and witchcraft etc. couldn't happen nowadays because we are so much smarter now. But is that true?

In my opinion religion is something that gives us a strict moral code which is good, but it is mixed up with tradition and sometimes it seems to me as if people find it more important to value the traditons (like wearing certain clothes, having certain feasts and food etc) than valuing life itself. In every major religion it says "you shall not kill", but the Crusades, the persecution of Jews and terrorism in the name of Islam all show us that religion, whose principals are mostly good, is often abused. it is used as an excuse for persecuting people who have other beliefs, it is abused for forcing your own beliefs on others. Aren't we all human, no matter what language we speak, in which country we are born, how big our family is, what religion we have (or don't have), what gender we have, what color of hair we have, how much money we have, what kind of education we have, what disease we have, if we are homo-sexual or not? Shouldn't someone who is not exactely the same way you are, have the right of life and happiness as well?

I am not saying, that we didn't learn from our mistakes in the past at all. Many countries do work on equality for everyone, valuing life for any individual. We have moral codes and laws, that give us certain rights like the right of happiness (as long as our happiness doesn't mean hurting or even killing other people and therefore constraining other people's right of happiness), the right of an own opinion and the right of own religious and political beliefs. We are allowed to choose our beliefs and that is a big advancement we have made. But unfortunately these rights aren't guaranteed in every country and even in countries where these rights theoretically are warranted, it is not how the world always goes.

The world is unjust. You can turn it how you want, but at the end you have to realize that this is the truth. Niccolo Machiavelli, a Renaissance thinker who analyzed human actions has said that "For imagination has created many principalities and republics that have never been seen or known to have any real existence, for how we live is so different from how we ought to live that he who studies what ought to be done rather than what is done will learn the way to his downfall rather than to his preservation. A man striving in every way to be good will meet his ruin among the great number who are not good." I think there is a lot of truth in his words. But does it mean, that we should act rather evil than good? I would say no because even after acknowledging this truth, we have to "fight" evil, we have to try to avoid our "mistakes" in order to change something. There will always be "bad" people, who don't see the value of life, who will manipulate others in order to find their own happiness even if that means to kill others or to hurt others. We need to learn to stick to a good sense of morality that values life in every form. I know that it would be foolish to believe, that the whole world, that every single person can realize that, but those few who can see all the hypocrisy, intolerance and selfishness should act accordingly. It doesn't change anything to moan about how unjust life is. We need to act! It is much easier to blame other people for our faults, our misfortunes than working on eliminating our faults and accepting our misfortunes. Sometimes it might seem as if the world is just a scary place to live where innocent people are punished for crimes they have never commited and where guilty people aren't punished at all because of the flaws in our Judicial Systems. It is impossible to delete every injustice, Utopia does not exist. But still it doesn't mean to give up. We have to try to do anything possible that makes the world as good as it can be and should be.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:12 pm


Puppet, you would get along really well with my friend Damian. 3nodding You two both act pretty similiar.

I think that morals are a rather lucrative term as well. Different people see different things as right or wrong. I personally see no problem with shoplifting, kids wanna get a thrill fine. Its not like they can steal anything too big, if they can, where's the good security? Other people see it as wrong, and will report it upon seeing someone shoplift. I see spending a night in jail a worse option for the kid, whilst other people see it as the best thing for them. I also see nothing wrong with spray painting a bridge or any other public property (public, not private stuff like cars and houses). It doesn't hurt anything, and quite frankly it can make something dull look interesting. Yet some people throw a huge fit over it and consider it detrimental to society. Since we all have different standards of what we consider right and wrong, its hard to tell whether someone is truely a moral person or not. Based on their own standards, they could be moral. Based on say a bible's standards, they may not be, but not everyone is Christian. As long as they hurting other people, or damaging major property I see no harm in a person's actions.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:11 pm


I agree with the spraypainting. It spicens up dull places and heck, our last unit and final exam in art was Grafitti.

I like the philospohies in the Tao Te Ching, written by Lao Tzu, translated version. His ideas are so unique yet they can be applied in this time.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:06 pm


Grafiti, when done right (or at least to my likings), can look good, but, often times, I see no point in grafiti, and thus, I see it as stupid and pointless.

I, honestly, could care less about what people do, as long as they are willing to accept the consequences of their actions. If they cannot except them, they should not have done them.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:14 am


Wealth

Out of my reach
there is so much.
Who can I teach
more than to watch?

Beutiful things there are,
I don't know where
jewels and treasures of a czar.
This feeling I cannot bear.

Gold and silver - pretty,
it's in some caves hidden.
I wished I was witty.
The entrance is forbidden.

So much money fine.
Food delicious as hell.
Drinks tasty as wine.
This is wealth, can't you tell?

Wait, stop for a minute.
Something's wrong.
Any of these riches infinite
can't bring happiness's song.

What do we need then?
Food or jewels?
No, those don't last anywhen.
Can't you see that, fools?

It is love that counts.
Not how much money,
not huge golden mounts.
You cannot buy love, honey.

Love is a treasure,
the most valuable.
Love's value one cannot measure.
Though it sometimes can be terrible.

Can make you feel sad.
Thinking too much,
staying in bed.
Hard to watch.

But it also has beauty
and you will know
that it's your own duty
for magic to show.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:07 pm


I've seen some really kool graffiti. There's a little stoner bridge about 45 minutes from where I live where people go to get stoned everyday around 4. Anyway, they have some amazing graffiti there, most of its pretty trippy. I've seen some interesting graffiti around the city streets. Some are gang signs and marks, others are simply kids having fun.

I agree that people should be liable for their actions and not pin the blame on someone else or that they were "forced" to do something.. However, that's not to say that they shouldn't try to sweet talk their way of trouble if they can. ninja
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:48 am


Thinking
So, I am back home. I left Minnesota like an angsty, depressed kid, that didn't have anything better to do than writing stupid journal posts. Well... I was bored and as said angry and depressed. I guess I might have exaggerated when I wrote certain stuff and I will try to be not as impulsive anymore. I am no angel and I have a lot of flaws. Sometimes it seems as if I have too many flaws. Do I hate myself? Yes, I do at times. But I can't really do anything about that unless I change my attitude towards myself and others. I understand that commiting self destroying acts of violence would not solve the problem. I'm also a coward and very angsty, therefore could never hurt anyone, not even myself, at least with violence. I guess I often hurt people's feelings and it is a shame and I hate myself for that and I'm embarassed about myself, but the thing I realized is that I cannot change what I have done in the past. Only alternative is to learn from my mistakes and take it easy, maybe even try to enjoy life, find some friends that really care and get a life.

I feel like such a hypocrite, why tell others to be tolerant and open-minded when I'm not always like that? Might as well just shut up and sit in a corner and pity myself, BUT hey, I already did that... Didn't get me far. I've been through a lot of thinking as you can see and the ironic thing is, that this is not the first time. It's not even the second time, it happened before, so often, that I can't count it anymore. Blame it on what? Puberty, hormones, being a teenager? I guess I could, but in my heart I know that it's not the real reason. The problem is that I'm sometimes lost and I don't know how to behave myself. What does society want from me? To be productive and rules obeying? But how? How do I know what rules to follow and what not? How do I know if I do the right things? How do I know that I'm not on the wrong road? The line between right and wrong sometimes seems so difficult to find, but I know in my heart that I'm not a bad person, at least I hope I am not. So many questionmarks and no answers. Everything is covered by a thick coat of fog. I cannot see through it and I feel smaller by the minute.

How much is my life worth anyways. I'm just a person, just an insignificant person. So many people disappear everyday because of disease, death, crime or other reasons and what would honestly happen if I was one of them? Just a number in a big statistic nobody really cares about.

NIMBY stands for Not In My Back Yard and it means that most people only start to care about something when they are affected. Does this sound cruel to you? If yes, are you different? I am not. There is so much suffering, but can I stop it? Is there a higher force that could, but doesn't? If there is I doubt that we will find out; if not, why bother worrying? Faith can move a mountain, spirituality is a good thing, but it is the 'religion' that often abuses this power. Why kill in the name of your faith? Why not say that you have different reasons? Even if you believe in a God or higher power, I don't think that it's in his/her/its intentions that you kill or let others kill. Unless the higher force is a sadist and likes suffering. Maybe it's just an immortal human with mistakes? A human that is mischievious? Who really knows? What do we really know?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:19 pm


I love this philosophy!

Soul Food

Everybody on Earth knowing
that beauty is beautiful
makes ugliness.

Everybody knowing
that goodness is good
makes wickedness.

For being and nonbeing
arise together;
hard and easy
complete each other;
long and short
shape each other;
high and low
depend on each other;
note and voice
make the music together;
before and after
follow each other.

That's why the wise soul
does without doing,
teaches without talking.

The things of this world
exist, they are;
you can't refuse them.

To bear and not to own;
to act and not lay claim;
to do work and let it go:
for just letting it go
is what makes it stay.
-Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

It's so yin and yang. It completes the motion that there is light and dark within each other.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:02 pm


I've been taking a philisophy class. Mostly, I don't find it terribly interesting, and I think its a bit depressing, but I really like Idealism. So, I've sort of created my own philisophical theory based on Idealism. Basically, like Idealism, there are only thoughts and ideas. My idea is that minds partially communicate with each other, several minds collect together on a wavelength. This wavelength creates images, sensations, and rules. When a person dies, and I'm still not sure what happens here, either the wavelength destroys the mind in accordence with its rules, or the mind moves to a different wavelength and the previous one deals with the loss of this mind in accordance with these rules, by creating the events of the death and leaving the image of a body. I'm not sure about dreams, either, my guess is that when a person sleeps their mind is focusing itself inwardly, temporarly seperating from the wavelength, its possible that the mind temporarily enters a different wavelength. However, a link still remains between the mind and its home wavelength, so it can return. So, what do you think? I obviously need to change some of the terms, but I think it sounds pretty good. I can't really say that I believe it, though.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:40 pm


SyphaBelnades
I've been taking a philisophy class. Mostly, I don't find it terribly interesting, and I think its a bit depressing, but I really like Idealism. So, I've sort of created my own philisophical theory based on Idealism. Basically, like Idealism, there are only thoughts and ideas. My idea is that minds partially communicate with each other, several minds collect together on a wavelength. This wavelength creates images, sensations, and rules. When a person dies, and I'm still not sure what happens here, either the wavelength destroys the mind in accordence with its rules, or the mind moves to a different wavelength and the previous one deals with the loss of this mind in accordance with these rules, by creating the events of the death and leaving the image of a body. I'm not sure about dreams, either, my guess is that when a person sleeps their mind is focusing itself inwardly, temporarly seperating from the wavelength, its possible that the mind temporarily enters a different wavelength. However, a link still remains between the mind and its home wavelength, so it can return. So, what do you think? I obviously need to change some of the terms, but I think it sounds pretty good. I can't really say that I believe it, though.

It still needs quite a bit of work to hold up against a philosophical argument.

It seems to me, like you are mixing both Holism and Idealism together, in a way that usually is not mixed together because of the roots of Idealism. Idealism, is mostly, at least to my knowledge, a philosophy that is easily complemented by relativistic, positivistic, and Cartesian Skepticism, the last of which is both the most readily complementary to Idealism and opposed to holism.

I'll see what I can do about helping you further develop your theory, but not right now...

Aristotle and his Poetics commands my presence.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:39 pm


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I've been taking a philisophy class. Mostly, I don't find it terribly interesting, and I think its a bit depressing, but I really like Idealism. So, I've sort of created my own philisophical theory based on Idealism. Basically, like Idealism, there are only thoughts and ideas. My idea is that minds partially communicate with each other, several minds collect together on a wavelength. This wavelength creates images, sensations, and rules. When a person dies, and I'm still not sure what happens here, either the wavelength destroys the mind in accordence with its rules, or the mind moves to a different wavelength and the previous one deals with the loss of this mind in accordance with these rules, by creating the events of the death and leaving the image of a body. I'm not sure about dreams, either, my guess is that when a person sleeps their mind is focusing itself inwardly, temporarly seperating from the wavelength, its possible that the mind temporarily enters a different wavelength. However, a link still remains between the mind and its home wavelength, so it can return. So, what do you think? I obviously need to change some of the terms, but I think it sounds pretty good. I can't really say that I believe it, though.

It still needs quite a bit of work to hold up against a philosophical argument.

It seems to me, like you are mixing both Holism and Idealism together, in a way that usually is not mixed together because of the roots of Idealism. Idealism, is mostly, at least to my knowledge, a philosophy that is easily complemented by relativistic, positivistic, and Cartesian Skepticism, the last of which is both the most readily complementary to Idealism and opposed to holism.

I'll see what I can do about helping you further develop your theory, but not right now...

Aristotle and his Poetics commands my presence.

Really? Thanks biggrin
Our class hasn't covered Holism so far, so I don't know what it is yet.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:28 pm


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