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Catarexia

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:21 am


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:26 am


Whether or not it should be legal and whether or not I agree with it are two entirely different things.

I don't agree with gay marriage.

I do think it should be legal, based on our constitution and my (albeit somewhat limited) knowledge of civil liberty and the pattern of granted rights in our history.

THE US constitution is against discrimination....and telling two people they legally can't marry is discrimination. I can sit around until the cows come home thinking about how I believe they shouldn't, but I have no right to tell them they can't.

Rowena Marion
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DemigoddessHalfdemon

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:46 am


But why should we be allowed to impose our morality on others? Pre-Marital sex is a sin. Does that mean we should make laws against it?

You have the right to believe whatever you want. But your rights end when you start infringing on the rights of another person. Any other person.

ShadowCat495
God gave us free will


He gave us the free will to believe that homosexuality and homosexual marriage is a sin. He gave homosexuals the free will to ignore us and get married.


ShadowCat495
We shouldn't give these people the chance to sin, whether they want to or not.


That is taking away their own free will. Which God says is one of the greatest sins of all.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:36 am


Rowena Marion
Whether or not it should be legal and whether or not I agree with it are two entirely different things.

I don't agree with gay marriage.

I do think it should be legal, based on our constitution and my (albeit somewhat limited) knowledge of civil liberty and the pattern of granted rights in our history.

THE US constitution is against discrimination....and telling two people they legally can't marry is discrimination. I can sit around until the cows come home thinking about how I believe they shouldn't, but I have no right to tell them they can't.
I totally agre, and this is teh stance I have arried awhile now.
ShadowCat495

But this country was founded under Christianity.
False.

This Country was founded under Freedom of Religion, and that includes Freedom From Religion, as well. Thus is teh Reason we have seperation of Church and State, and Civil Liberties. Have you not noticed that there are Wiccans and Satanists running around? If this was a Theocracy, then teh Wiccans, the Satanists, and yes, even teh Homosexuals, would al be put to death.

But by the Grace of God, teh Religious Zealots haven't taken power to start a second Inquisition.
ShadowCat495
All things can't be desegregated unless you want to see me in the girl's locker room blaugh .
People have the right to Privacy. You can be perfectly happy without giving into your perversions, and as such, need not enter teh girls locker room.
ShadowCat495
You "do" have the right to tell them whether they can or cannot, freedom of speach, duh lol whee .
Freedom of Expression, you mean? The primary point of that was defending your own rights, to speak out against the Government without being locked up. But the moment you take that "Right" and use it to oppress your fellow Man, or to Harass him, it is not a right, it is anything from a fine, to charges pressed.
ShadowCat495
We can't listen to the constitution about everything.
though as long as it is defending My Rights, or teh Rights of my fellow Man, I'm all for it. And by that same measure, You can't listen to teh Bible about Everything. Same logic.
ShadowCat495
We should not let them sin, even if it's going against the constitution.
We have no right to tell them otherwise. There is no law in the US that is to bring Christianity above others. And if there were, I, as a Christian, would be teh first to attack it. As I would be a hypocrite to want freedom to practice my religion without being forced to follow Hindu Practices, and yet refuse to protect the rights of teh Hindu.
ShadowCat495
Sinning is a lot worse then segregating. If gay people should be allowed to get married, then shouldn't two or three year olds?
two or three year-olds cannot enter into a legally binding contract. Homosexuals can.
ShadowCat495
They're people too.
not yet, they aren't. Until they can prove capable of running their own healthy, productive lives, they are not capable of assisting someone elses.
ShadowCat495
This is a grand scale thing. Think about the our lives when we die.
We don't have them anymore. 'Cause we're kinda Dead. As such, our own lives cease to be.

Se Ga Takai
Crew


i like burnination

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:37 am


Shorty
We don't have them anymore. 'Cause we're kinda Dead {fixed yer tags HURH}. As such, our own lives cease to be.

uhhh ... <___<;;
i plan on living forever Takai.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:57 am


I agree with Trogdor. I plan to live forever.
So far, so good.
Anyway. Getting to the point.
Gay marriage. Great. I'm all for it. If they want to be together like any other couple, then great. I will support them until death. If you want to go that route, they're in sin because they're homosexuals anyway. Why not let them get married? All marriage realy is is a legal contract. Sure, it means more, but that's all it really is.
And about denying them that right...
As far as I know, the Constitution protects everyone freedom from oppression. I think... anyway. This means that they cannot be oppressed by the state. Ergo, Bush and his maniacal idiocy. Sorry to all you Americans, but I think Bush is the worst thing since Hitler. The man is a tool.
Ahem...
This means that the State, or organized religion, cannot force them into doing, or not doing, anything. Such as not allowing them to get married. That's wrong. Denying anyone that right is sinnful in its own right...
Gads... Time to wash my hands now. I used a bad word...

Superior Jazz


i like burnination

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:06 am


well, i'd say that Mao Zedong, Kim Jong-il, and Hideki Tojo (and many others ) were worse than Hitler, but whever. :]

and nowhere in the Bible is it said that denying someone happiness is sinful.

good gravy, i thought i had sworn off debating over gay marriage. @____@
PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:47 am


Rowena and Takai pretty much said most of what I would have. Denying rights... purpose of the foundation of the US... judgement as a sin in your own faith, ...freedom of and from religion, etc etc etc.

As the resident Guild for Believers in Salvation through Christ Satanic lesbian, I'll be watching, and will probably end up debating whether or not the Bible actually even says that homosexuality is a sin until I am blue in the face, as is the case with the other thread.

I just realized I posted something about a year ago. It was recently 6-month necro-bumped in M&R.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10858137

I spoke about the kinds of marriages that the Bible does condemn, most of which are actually legal to this day. I also mentioned that the Bible says nothing about gay marriage, but I will argue to the death that is says nothing against natural, consensual gay sex.

...it's odd to even discuss this running on lack of sleep from being at a gay bar all last night. Drag queen shows are spiffy, just so you know. Those guys are crazilly sexy. I tipped. I tipped well.

PirateEire


Draycore

PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:47 pm


*time for some friction*

Alrighty, here we go.

I'm against Gay marraige...

How can I believe this after reading all of your quite compelling arguments?

A: I'm SDA. Furthermore, I believe in Ellen G. Whites writings. And she encourages unity of Christianity and state. I can't come up with the specifics off of the top of my head, but I can find them if need be. And I think the rest of this you can pretty easily piece the rest together.

Mmm... you bash? I ready...
PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:51 pm


one thing you people need to get straight...
the founding fathers based the country on freedom of religion...MAINLY on freedom to practice Christianity however they wanted to, rather than under the rule of a king. The people who are of other religions are accepted, not encouraged, under the original concept of the Constitution.

Xindaris


DemigoddessHalfdemon

PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:46 pm


Xindaris
one thing you people need to get straight...
the founding fathers based the country on freedom of religion...MAINLY on freedom to practice Christianity however they wanted to, rather than under the rule of a king. The people who are of other religions are accepted, not encouraged, under the original concept of the Constitution.

The founding fathers also believed in slavery and oppressing women.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:48 pm


Xindaris
one thing you people need to get straight...
the founding fathers based the country on freedom of religion...MAINLY on freedom to practice Christianity however they wanted to, rather than under the rule of a king. The people who are of other religions are accepted, not encouraged, under the original concept of the Constitution.
Sources?

And in order to get trade with a certain Muslim Country in the earlier years, The US made a declaration to them that there was no primary religion, Christian or otherwise. And we're not exactly encouraged to be Christian, either.

Se Ga Takai
Crew

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