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 Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:52 pm
Just something different. I don't think/know that many if any of you really like punk rock. I've noticed a few songs by punk bands in some players, but meh.. anyway.
"Punk rock was started as a deliberate reaction to the mass commercialism of music."
*mimics Yngwie*
DISCUSS: Thoughts on the quote (naturally), punk rock (I hope you're smart enough to figure that out), whether or not "pop punk" really exists... fun stuff like that.
Personally, I never understood the pop punk thing. Blink 182? Pop rock. Not pop punk. Not punk rock. Maybe once punk rock? I dunno man, I just thought they were obnoxious. *ducks any shoes that might be thrown at her*
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:37 pm
Punk Rock is dead and buried.
Beanwave is the new alternative.
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:47 pm
Cant' say I've ever been a real punk fan overall. I probably couldn't even name 5 real punk bands of the top of my head.
Pennywise is the only one I really have any sizable content for, and those came from a friend who listens to them. Not too bad in short bursts, but something about it gets on my nerves after a couple of songs - I've never really put much thought into it as to why though.
As you've probably noticed from my recent plays image, I'm more into metal (many various styles), followed by grunge/alternative-era and hard rock/rock in general. I've got a few other styles here and there that I can get into now and then, and have music spanning 5 decades in my WinAmp Media Library at the moment (1960s-2000s), so I'd like to think I have a wide appreciation for music, even though I generally gravitate towards the metal end of the spectrum.
Anyway... kind of derailing the topic in the second reply, so I'll end it here by saying I can't really contribute a lot to the thread since I'm not so familiar with the genre. xp
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:03 pm
Punk Rock is kind of an inanimate, abstract thing. You can't say it's dead. All of the old school punk rock musicians maybe.... but not punk rock itself.
Yeah, I noticed you liked metal, but I kinda hoped someone had some kind of opinion.
A lot of people who like metal aren't too much into punk rock because they're a little more used to people actually being able to play their instruments. Or so some of them say. whee
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:48 pm
Yeah, I gues I could see that... some of it does sound rather simplistic and maybe a bit sloppy in some cases.
The simplistic I can overlook, since I like a fair bit of the "nu-metal" genre, which is usually fairly simplistic as well. I think overall, one of the biggest things that turns me off is some of the singers, who generally seem a bit on the whinier-sounding side in a lot of punk I've heard (admittedly, not a lot in the grand scheme of things).
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:32 am
There are some whiners. confused Just like in any music, though.
I got Aerion to admit that the Unseen are okay! 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:35 am
Can't say I've ever heard them. I don't think I have anything by them at the moment either.
I'm so far removed from the punk genre that I don't really know what bands fall into the category...
Would AFI fit in there? I do have a few albums of theirs (from another friend), and it seems to, at least, have some punk influences in what little I've listened to it so far.
What are some other groups you'd recommend checking out, aside from the Unseen?
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:57 pm
I never really thought of AFI as punk rock. But some people do. sweatdrop And then there are those who think they're just "sell outs."
Hmmm... The Decendents. The Misfits. *thinks* I don't think you'd be fond of some of my other favorites. sweatdrop Propagandhi might be okay. They can get a little repetitive, though. Of course there are some really old bands like The Clash, and the Ramones. And even though everyone says "Yay! Sex Pistols! Sid was sooooo hot!" I don't recommend 'em. Yes, Sid was a hot, dug-addict... but they didn't really know how to play their instruments. At all. Ever. At least it sounds like that half the time. If you like rougher voices I think you should try The Distillers. Brody is pretty awesome, but most people can only take her in small doses. Erm, I don't suggest Rancid. Only a couple songs by them.
Now Rancid... I wholeheartedly agree that those guys sold out. I mean... Tim got on MTV and on his new CD he had bits where he was rapping. Mmmhmm, punc rawk ya'll.
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:10 pm
I've always been a fan of the old stuff. The Crass. X-Ray Speks. (Early) Dead Boys. X. The ye olde punke rocke, as it were, from when it was just starting to start up. Not to be confused with, say, MC5, or The Velvet Underground, who were proto-punk and ergo pre-existing the scene's fledgling days (ever notice a lot of Proto-Punk and Post-Punk sound a lot alike?)
As for Punk Rock being purposefully started? Maybe. The New York scene was essentially pushed by Andy Warhol, who openly backed a few of the first acts so he could better push his own work, then jumped off when people like the Dead Boys and Ramones might have genuinely begun to say something offensive, because that wouldn't sell paintings. Malcom Mclaren was (and always has been) in it for the money, without a doubt. Wanker that he is.
That said, I think it was, even if not the goals of some of the backing paychecks, a reaction to the lack of voice in music, in at least the London scene. In the New York scene, it was more... well, artistic, for some bands. And lot less genuinely offensive. Sure, Iggy and Stooges and the Dead Boys might have said some nasty stuff, but they're the exception and not the rule. New York's "offensiveness" even then was just centered on topics people didn't want to hear about; BDSM, heroin addictions, and so forth.
But in London, the problems the government was facing, and especially the lower classes were facing, was something else entirely. Imagine, if you will, apartments falling into horrible disaray. Nobody can pay their rent, and most owners of the building can't pay house notes. Mountains of stinking are stacked around, because the trashmen have been on strike. Nobody is getting any form of a break, everyone's losing their job or lost their jobs, due to Thatcher's "realpolitik" economic methods, and the s**t n the radio refuses to adknowledge anything's wrong, if they're not flatout singing about how bright and beautiful the world is.
With that in mind, yes, I think London's punk scene (and generally the way we think of punk), was legitimate. And considering the Los Angeles (which was much more akin to London's) punk scene of the 80's could essentially descibe the same thing, just replacing Thatcher with Reagan and "realpolitik" with "trickle down".
Of course, I could be wrong.
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