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Do you care Terri is dead, and the Rights lost the battle?
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Primus

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:27 pm


Well, if none of you heard, Terri Shaivo died this morning on March 31, 2005. For some of you didn't hear about her, I'll tell the story.

About 10 years ago, Terri Shaivo went over to her husband's house, Michael Shaivo, to break up and get a divorce. The day she went over there, her family told her not to go because they thought he would do something terrible to her, possibly kill her. Terri didn't listen, so she went over. Terri's family hadn't heard of her for a while, because they thought it would be a quick deal. When Terri's family arrived, Terri was bloody, bruised, and lost a lot of oxygen to her brain but not enough to kill her. She was then put into a hospice where she spent almost a third of her life in a bed. The doctors had a feeding tube attached, to give Terri food and water. They also gave Terri a life support machine, but soon after didn't need it. 5 years after, Michael "just remembered" that Terri wanted to have her feeding tube disconnected. The court, Michael, and Terri's family fought over this until the the middle of March of this year, they had Terri's feeding tube disconnected because she was "brain dead". For 16 days Terri went without food nor water, they were starving her. Today she died. And I'll tell you why I'm so ********' mad.

Before the final f tube disconnecting, the court disconnected it so many times before. Michael Shaivo obviosly tried to kill Terri, and succeded. If you think all of this isn't proof of a murder, Michael wants the body creamated so no autopsy can be performed! Terri wasn't "brain dead", she could look around the room, and smile, and tried to say "I want to live!" right before the last tube disconnection... these liberals want people to live and not go to wars, "save the environment!" they say. But when it comes to violating you're human rights as an American, they don't give a s**t!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:56 pm


So why exactly was Micheal Schivo not arrested for the beating of his wife? Why exactly did Terri recieve 1 million in malpractice if it was in fact her husband who put her there not the doctor?

Dubyamn


pimpkilla2

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:35 pm


its ******** up

im personaly glad its over and the media can stop covering it

but lets look at it


mr shiavo-a dickhead supported by communists

terrys family-cared about her and would keep her alive at their own costs and obligations, supported by left and right wingers who felt the moral convictions, mostly church groups and things of that nature


who would you support?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:36 pm


The reason that Michael wasn't prosecuted, was the police in Florida didn't charge the case as a murder, since Terri wasn't dead.

Primus


Dubyamn

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:39 pm


Primus
The reason that Michael wasn't prosecuted, was the police in Florida didn't charge the case as a murder, since Terri wasn't dead.

You do realize that there are more crimes that you can do to another human? You can attempt to murder them, you can assualt them, abuse them. Any one of those would apply to a man who beat his wife into a PVS.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:33 am


Okay. let's clear up a couple of things...

First off, she was not beaten into a PVS...she collapsed, possibly from a heart attack, which caused brain damage and led to her condition.

Second, it is still being debated whether she actually was in a PVS...she reacted to her environment, and did try to communicate. Doesn't sound like a PVS to me, but I'm not a doctor...

There is a timeline on this site that should help answer any questions as to the sequence of events. This timeline was posted on MSNBC. I do find it disturbing that Michael Schiavo began lobbying to allow her to die after the malpractice suits had been settled....

ShiroKarasu
Crew


Lixnia

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:13 am


ShiroKarasu
Okay. let's clear up a couple of things...

First off, she was not beaten into a PVS...she collapsed, possibly from a heart attack, which caused brain damage and led to her condition.


First of all, the girl had multiple fractures, bruses, cuts, etc. all over her body. Fratures, bruses, and cuts that you don't get from collapsing due to a heart attack. But really, keep telling yourself it was that. (sorry, I'm really pissed off that people are trying to dumb this whole thing down)

ShiroKarasu
Second, it is still being debated whether she actually was in a PVS...she reacted to her environment, and did try to communicate. Doesn't sound like a PVS to me, but I'm not a doctor...


Second, yes, she was reacting to her environment. And there was much reason to believe that she would have recovered if a speech therapist had been able to work with her. Her husband, of course, refused to let anyone work with her that might help her. But she did understand. She reacted in ways that let people know that she understood.

ShiroKarasu
There is a timeline on this site that should help answer any questions as to the sequence of events. This timeline was posted on MSNBC. I do find it disturbing that Michael Schiavo began lobbying to allow her to die after the malpractice suits had been settled....


Yes, and I also find it disturbing that he almost beat his wife to death, placed her in a hospital, trained to become a nurse so he could try and inject her with insulin to kill her, STARVED her, placed police in her hospital room to watch her parents so they wouldn't be able to sneek her water and made them watch her die, slowly and painfully.

Yes, yes, that's disturbing. You know, just a TAD.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:23 am


I see that this discussion has the potential to become rather uncivil. sweatdrop

I deleted a post in this thread last night because it was decidedly uncivil. There is bound to be disagreement but that disagreement needs to be handled politely.

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ShiroKarasu
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:03 am


Kazuma
I see that this discussion has the potential to become rather uncivil. sweatdrop

I deleted a post in this thread last night because it was decidedly uncivil. There is bound to be disagreement but that disagreement needs to be handled politely.


Agreed. This issue is quite the powder keg, especially in light of her passing away so recently. I was only trying to bring the broadly-accepted facts of the matter into the discussion. I did not intend to cause any incivility...my apologies.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:13 am


ShiroKarasu
Kazuma
I see that this discussion has the potential to become rather uncivil. sweatdrop

I deleted a post in this thread last night because it was decidedly uncivil. There is bound to be disagreement but that disagreement needs to be handled politely.


Agreed. This issue is quite the powder keg, especially in light of her passing away so recently. I was only trying to bring the broadly-accepted facts of the matter into the discussion. I did not intend to cause any incivility...my apologies.


No worries. I didn't see anything in your post that could be consitered uncivil. I just saw the high potential that this issue could become uncivil (and indeed someone posted something last night that was decidedly uncivil: calling another user an "idiot"). So you have nothing to apologize for.

Just a pre-emptive concern due the emotionally volitile nature of the issue. People are free to dispute and discuss the facts of the story but I just would like to make sure it is done in a civil manner.

It was just a concern addressed to all thread participants.

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Primus

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:26 pm


Ok, say she suffered from a heart attack, but that doesn't explain the bruises on her body, from being inflicted by another person.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:43 am


Primus
Ok, say she suffered from a heart attack, but that doesn't explain the bruises on her body, from being inflicted by another person.


Exactly. And we'll never know, will we? Because the only sort of autopsy they're doing is to get out her brain. Her husband's REFUSING to let them check out the rest of her. Then he's having her cremated.

...Gee, I wonder why...?

Maybe because there will be no EVIDENCE left behind?!

Lixnia


vanillaxsnow

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:40 am


Lixnia
Primus
Ok, say she suffered from a heart attack, but that doesn't explain the bruises on her body, from being inflicted by another person.


Exactly. And we'll never know, will we? Because the only sort of autopsy they're doing is to get out her brain. Her husband's REFUSING to let them check out the rest of her. Then he's having her cremated.

...Gee, I wonder why...?

Maybe because there will be no EVIDENCE left behind?!


See I don't know...this is the sort of thing that I think should not be just left up to the spouse to decide. If the spouse happens to be an abuser (or is at least suspected to be) the parents can do nothing about it for it is up to the husband to decide what type of autopsy will be performed. I think more power should be held to the parents to decide what should be done to their daughter, where she should be burried (or cremated), and just how to handle the situation in gerneral.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:50 pm


JunjunTB
Lixnia
Primus
Ok, say she suffered from a heart attack, but that doesn't explain the bruises on her body, from being inflicted by another person.


Exactly. And we'll never know, will we? Because the only sort of autopsy they're doing is to get out her brain. Her husband's REFUSING to let them check out the rest of her. Then he's having her cremated.

...Gee, I wonder why...?

Maybe because there will be no EVIDENCE left behind?!


See I don't know...this is the sort of thing that I think should not be just left up to the spouse to decide. If the spouse happens to be an abuser (or is at least suspected to be) the parents can do nothing about it for it is up to the husband to decide what type of autopsy will be performed. I think more power should be held to the parents to decide what should be done to their daughter, where she should be burried (or cremated), and just how to handle the situation in gerneral.


I agree 100%

Lixnia


Primus

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:38 am


JunJunTB and Lixnia are smart, unlike some liberals *washes mouth with soap* who doubt the evidence that's in front of them! A lot of people have to think inside the box as well, or there's no logic. I hope you understand that all... biggrin
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