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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:34 pm
Ok, so I live in the US. Every morning, like at most schools, they have everyone stand and say the pledge. Now, too my knowledge, it is now perfectly accptable to not say it if you are oppossed to it for some reason, since that one guy went to the Supreme Coart with the issue and such. My history teacher in my old school gave us a big speech on that we didn't have to say the pledge or even stand. My teacher this year in homeroom says she will personally make you say it alone if you don't stand during the pledge. Now I don't say the pledge for a few reasons, one I don't want to pledge alligiance to a country that I don't agree with pretty much all of its policies, I don't see liberty and justice for all in this country, the government hasn't followed the Constitution, and it mentions God which shouldn't be done in governement type things (separation of church and state). Should I be punished for this? In this country we have freedom of speech. That doesn't just mean the freedom to say what you please but also to NOT speak.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:37 pm
That's not right.
If your against something then you shouldn't be forced to do it. Even if your for it you shouldn't be forced to do anything.
I starting to think the government doesnt really care about the Constitution. The Pledge of Allegiance to me seems to break alot of the Constitutional law.
Freedom of Religion doesn't seem to recognized when the pledge mentions God. Now I do kinda believe in God but for all the others with different religions- What are they supposed to do? Also pledge allegiance to a country doesn't seem right to me either.
Freedom of Speech doesn't seem to be recognized either. Many people are forced to say it and isn't speech what you say or don't say.
I'm not sure what wrong with our government. It seems like it's starting to change. And not for the better. It seems like the people on Capitol Hill need to take another look around and realize that what they're doing isn't really Constitutional.
But who knows.. maybe it's just me.
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:22 pm
Of course you shouldn't be punished.
But the teacher should.
Hopefully, your parents support you and if not, perhaps you first need to discuss and debate with them, respectfully. Then, you and your parents need to address this together, as a team. First with the teacher, if unsuccessful, the principal, then to the Superintendent, and then even to the School Board.
Regardless of whether we agree with you or not, the teacher should not punish anyone for following his/her own beliefs. Thats immoral and against the law.
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:49 pm
I've pretty much stopped saying it. I also dont stand up half the time, either. I'm going to refuse until I move to Canada. Obviously, I wont have to do it there. Do they do anything like that in Canada? eek
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:16 am
Thanks for the support. smile
GrveyardSinger, I'm not sure if they have a pledge in Canada. The only thing I know of is the national song.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:36 am
I got sent to the office once for not saying it. And I was like "Dude,I'm not American..I dont know it." And they still sent me up. He said it had something to do with people dying for me to live here so I should say it...my a** is going to Canada the moment I have the chance.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:07 pm
It's funny how everyone I know wants to move to Canada. Too cold for me up there. I'd rather Europe.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:23 pm
Yeah I never say it anymore. I dont really know if I believe in the whole "Under god" thing. But last year I was written up for not saying it every monday. I still dont say it. I believe that I should have a choice, instead of being forced and punished for not doing so.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:08 pm
When I do say it though, I usually say "with liberty and something for all". Theres no free justice. I've also said, "one nation, under canada, above mexico..." Or instead of under god we could always take the pessimistic veiw and say "above hell" rofl
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:40 am
GraveyardSinger When I do say it though, I usually say "with liberty and something for all". Theres no free justice. I've also said, "one nation, under canada, above mexico..." Or instead of under god we could always take the pessimistic veiw and say "above hell" rofl Lol. But then we'd be upseting everyone, except for the satanists of course. It's much better to just upset everyone who doesn't beleive in god.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:13 am
The Pledge states, "Liberty and Justice for all".
You're simply taking the liberty not to say it, for whatever reason.
I object to it myself under the McCarthyist addition of "under G/god".
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:31 pm
The nation was based "under God", which is why that's there. Although, I do think that being forced to say it is rather unnessisary. Yeah, I admit that this country is flawed, but I'm just glad I'm not in Afghanistan...yet. Damn draft'll be reinstated, I can feel it...
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:47 am
My mom grew up in the states and can still recite the pledge at 50! She says she thought she was raised with freedom of speach as there is so much said on the subject in the usa however it took coming here to England for her to see her first communist and socialist newspapers! Unfortunately there was a large Puritan ethic in the starting of the usa, the pilgrims were afterall persecuted christians! I agree the reference is past it's sell-by date but that's why it's there. Why don't you make up your own pledge and say it under your breath when the others recite the normal one?
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:49 am
I think the pledge of allegiance is hypocritical: look at how many folk go and turn on the country! It's some government propaganda to brainwash students into mindless, patriotic zombies that will do as they're told.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:47 pm
ToxicHobbit The nation was based "under God", which is why that's there. Although, I do think that being forced to say it is rather unnessisary. Yeah, I admit that this country is flawed, but I'm just glad I'm not in Afghanistan...yet. Damn draft'll be reinstated, I can feel it... The nation may have been based 'under god', but it's in there because McCarthy scared everyone into thinking that the godless pinko commie demons were going to level the country if we all weren't properly pious. Likewise, the same people who supposedly founded this country 'under god', did so after facing all manner of religious persecution in their own country. If freedom of and from religion was so important to them, why the hell would they care if I say 'under g/God' and not 'under Allah' or 'under Vishnu' or 'under Cerridwen' or skip it altogether? And why force children to pledge alliegance to the country? This country can't force military service out of anyone except during the draft, and even that doesn't justify railroading minors into saying it. Why would I pledge alliegance to any country where I cannot yet vote, serve in the military, have a job, or own land? That makes no sense. All this patriotic loyalty ever got for my brotherfriend Z was being in a truck when an IED was detonated under it in Iraq, and getting to see still more of his unit members die in front of him. Thirteen more truck explosions (six of which while he was in them), and a year later, he's still alive. Hopefully he makes it back from the war that our country started over oil in one piece. Why would I pledge alliegance to that?
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