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 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:54 pm
I recently read this book called choke and i dont know what it was telling me, but what i got out of it was that we can't just sit around and jerk off. What pisses me off these days is what thing people value in our sosiety. Like the things that we do these days dont even contribute to the improvment of society(i know that is very vauge by saying "improving, what i mean is end problems such as famine). I swear most of the kids in middle school or high school could be studying or volonteering or any of that s**t like that.(i know that i dont do it, the reason why is because i hate humans and i do everything possible to ******** up the human race, aka follow what every one else is doing+ more) Instead most off us are jerking off or geting money that allows us to buy s**t that we dont need. And you might say that the money we use to buy s**t goes to comanys and they use it for advancing technology and what not, well ******** them, their using it on advertising and building technology that helps their s**t get better so we buy it more often so they get more money, and is that ******** or what? I think that we should start over, but lets not lose the s**t we already know? Dont you think if we had the chance to start over again with the thigns we know now that we would totally better off? I mean then we could acctually acomplish somthing. This is one of the reasons why i like anarchy so much, TRUE anarchy is where the is chaos, and it is self destructive. every one kills every one and there is nothing left. That is one thing that could happen, that could sovle this bullshit problem. Also if a worl ruler came to poewr who wasnt crazy. Then meaby we could get things done as well. Meaby those arnt the right answers( they most likly arnt, and there probly isnt one) but the point im trying to make is that the world we live in is ********, and needs a souloution. Im wondering if some one feels the same, what would you do. And if you dont think we have a problem please telll me diffrent from what i have posted.
(Another not, i didnt re read what i just wrote so if i sound liek an a** bite forgive me)
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:31 am
Welcome to America. What you describe is by no means a worldwide problem, so please don't attribute it to all nations and cultures. It's a fundamentally American problem (and probably an issue in some other European nations as well, but I won't speak for them, as I can't). Welcome to American capitalistic and comsumeristic life. These are your culprits. They bring us our wealth, or world power, our status, just about everything it means to be American. Including a disgusting state of selfishness, obsession with being different or an individual, and a general lack of care for the peace and well being of your fellow people everywhere.
But, all things considered, as we have the most ethnically and religiously diverse population on the face of the planet, we do pretty good at holding ourselves together as a community. Considering we could be engaged in a multitude of civil wars amongst our diverse population (as such happens in many other nations) should we honestly complain that much?
Perhaps if organized religion in this country better got across its lessons on community spirit we wouldn't have this problem as much. As the largest religious category (would include Christians, Jews, Islams, the majority of the US population), they have a fair number of adherents who do not quite adhere to it at all, just follow it blindly without understanding the lessons to be learned from the faiths, one of which is community. But lack of community isn't directly a religious problem... or at least it doesn't seem so to me. Its built into our very culture, religion aside.
The moral relativity that seems to have a large number of supporters dosen't help. It lets people think in more selfish terms... morality relative to the individual instead of understanding the role of ethics in the community and their importance.
The solution to all of this isn't to tear everything down and start anew. That isn't going to happen, so it's a bit unrealistic. The secret is all in education. But let's also not loose sight of the good things that are in this. It's human nature to fixate on the bad rather than the good. Let us please not forget all the examples that are out there of community spirit and care for all humanity. There are plenty of them out there. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:17 pm
I knew that the "destroy every thing" idea wasnt realistic, im just saying in my opinion it would work if it did happen. And the education is kinda accurate, the only thing is that i have little to no faith in hummanity so i see them as stupid and cant even help them selfs, so educationg them to build a better world is out of the question.(this is why i like fedralisim). As for america being an ethical place seems hardly real. Sure people say alot of things that would make them seem ethical, but when it comes down to it most of our actions say that we dont care about any one else, the planet, animals, basical jack s**t. But thats my just half emptey opinion.( other countrys are far better at morals and ethincs)
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:46 pm
ImNotaFashionStatment (other countrys are far better at morals and ethincs) Prove it. I want to see evidence of this. Look at EVERY single nation across the world, and take a look at their moral and ethical standards. Now, I know you said you're a cynic on this, but it is good to be cynical and have a reason for being so that can be backed up with empiricism. How many nations out there still treat women like property? How many nations still incorporate punishment for crimes beyond the severeity of the crime commited? How many nations are ruled by a dictator or religious leader who forces things upon his people? How many nations opress racial minorities in their own nation and to what extent? I honestly don't think people know jack about other country's moral and ethical systems. I sure as hell don't claim to. As such, I'm not going to make any erroneous claims as to our morality/ethics compared to other nations other than say I seriously doubt it is as bad as it seems to ya. Unfortunately, because of the way the news media in America works, you never get to see these stories of what is going on in other countries. You have to do real work to find international news. It boils down to which side you choose to look at, and if you're an optimist or a pessimist, perhaps. The way I see it, if we really DID have serious moral and ethical problems in America, there wouldn't be people like me questioning the validity of that statement, would there?
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:23 pm
As in for the ethics thing, im saying according to their own ethics, they follow them well. Im not saying i agree with them in fact i dont at all. Im just saying that they fowllow their own ethics well, on the other hand your right i dont know this, i havent gone to every country and lived their for a year. But, i do know that the death rate is higher in america tehn any other( it was either a tv special or a documentray) i knwo its bad to assume things, but if there is a high death rate, then there is probly a high crime rate as well. And look at me im an average kid, i do s**t every single day thats against our ethics of america, and i know 50 people who do the same as me. In my eyes america seems pretty ******** up. And its just hard to imagine any other countryies commiting other horrible acts against their own ethics to gain s**t that doesnt even matter( im refering to the s**t that happens in america)
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:36 am
sweatdrop Aaah, why do you take so much issue with it when you're part of the problem, according to yourself?
Even if you do see yourself as part of the problem, you still need to look at how much, on the average day, do you violate the ethics of your nation. Probably not that much, in proportion to the total time you spend awake and doing things. People aren't perfect. They make mistakes. And they're allowed that liberty. It doesn't make them horrible people just because they broke an ethic on occasion. Everybody does it, to varying severeities of violation. You can't really expect everybody to be so perfect. So, what's the big deal here? Like I said in my last point, we are not really that '******** up' unless you choose to see it that way by focusing on all the bad sides.
I'm not sure which is more disheartening... the fact that there are those who make these kinds of mistakes in life, or the fact that there are so many people who fixate on them with cynical pessimism and blind themselves to the good in the world... (sighs)
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:30 am
ImNotaFashionStatment But, i do know that the death rate is higher in america tehn any other Just one quick comment from me. A book I just read, published in 1995, said America had a low death rate -- far lower than many of the pre-industrial nations in the world, albiet a bit higher than other industrial or post-industrial nations. Americans as a whole had a higher life expectancy (somewhere around 85, I believe) and that expectancy was expected to continue to grow as the birth rate goes down. So, I'm not quite sure where exactly you heard that America has a higher death rate (and apparantly neither are you), and the facts might've changed in the past ten years, but I'd say it's pretty low, all things considered.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:17 pm
Kahrli ImNotaFashionStatment But, i do know that the death rate is higher in america tehn any other Just one quick comment from me. A book I just read, published in 1995, said America had a low death rate -- far lower than many of the pre-industrial nations in the world, albiet a bit higher than other industrial or post-industrial nations. Americans as a whole had a higher life expectancy (somewhere around 85, I believe) and that expectancy was expected to continue to grow as the birth rate goes down. So, I'm not quite sure where exactly you heard that America has a higher death rate (and apparantly neither are you), and the facts might've changed in the past ten years, but I'd say it's pretty low, all things considered. When i said death rate, i meant murders. And as me being a problem to all of this stuff that i talk about. The reason i have an issue is that people do all these bad things and yet they still get mad at other people about it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:54 am
ImNotaFashionStatment And as me being a problem to all of this stuff that i talk about. The reason i have an issue is that people do all these bad things and yet they still get mad at other people about it. Yup, humanity is a bunch of hypocrits. So what? We all make mistakes, we're all imperfect (or perfect if you choose to see it that way instead). We may do bad things but most of us are very self-critical of ourselves even as we criticize others for making the same faults of us. Instead of getting angry about this, I usually get touched by it. It signifies a person reaching out to another trying to get them to not make the same mistakes they made. Granted this isn't the case in all sittuations, but for the few times that someone takes issue with a crime (even though they've done a similar thing themselves) it's a human reaching out to another human... in effort to help and not hurt.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:36 pm
America's problem start with Media and Education, education doesn't give kidds enough ideas about how to properly live life while the media gives the the wrong ideas. Most of them have nothing good to turn to. Why was I immune? For the first fourteen years of life I rejected reality, completly. So yeah, I'm defidently a minority.
In my opinion the only reason why there isn't a current civil in America is because a magority of white kidds(by this I mean under 30) are too spoiled to make war and the minorities are either too smart for it or too stupid to do anything(those who exspect restraunt to provide menues in spanish for example).
America, now-a-days is too damn liberal. Here's a chart
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I'm liberal and it's a pretty good philosophy but we've gotten to the points where we put everyone else ahead of us and worry to much about foreign affairs.
Almost forgot, compairing ourselves to third world countries won't help us at all. Pure pesimisium is an idiots philophy, "Our country is crap" is useless. Pure optimisium is just as bad, "We roxxors" we all need to use both in combination with intelligence: "Our country sucks! Why? Our Education is crap, letts fix it!"
PS: Our country has a high crime rate compaired to most of Europe.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:12 pm
Starlock ImNotaFashionStatment And as me being a problem to all of this stuff that i talk about. The reason i have an issue is that people do all these bad things and yet they still get mad at other people about it. Yup, humanity is a bunch of hypocrits. So what? We all make mistakes, we're all imperfect (or perfect if you choose to see it that way instead). We may do bad things but most of us are very self-critical of ourselves even as we criticize others for making the same faults of us. Instead of getting angry about this, I usually get touched by it. It signifies a person reaching out to another trying to get them to not make the same mistakes they made. Granted this isn't the case in all sittuations, but for the few times that someone takes issue with a crime (even though they've done a similar thing themselves) it's a human reaching out to another human... in effort to help and not hurt. Yeah it is human helping another person, but why?. I think its them trying to say " Hey whats wrong with you, your the reason we have crime and blah blah blah". Their just trying to say we are better than you and I'm going to point this fact out. Ok this is a true story. Me and my friends were running at night about 10:30 when some peopel came out of their house and said somthing to the like " What is wrong with you, why can't you be more like our kids?". I mean that seems like so negitive, their not trying to help is their trying to bash us, for what purpose? Oh surly that will make us get in our place. But really I have many examples in my own family when you tell some one what they are or what their not they start thinking it them selfs. I think that is slowly happening now to me. So I guess their trying to help us. But their doing it in the most shitty way, and it doesnt even work in most cases.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:46 am
Hating other people and doing your best to screw society over doesn't solve anything.
So many people are cynics, realists, or pessimists. (All the same to me.)
These three types of people have something in common: they all hold a negative view of the world around them.
Why are they the way they are?
Because being negative is always the lazy way.
It's easier to complain about something than to actually do something about it.
Yes, people will always create unecessary problems.
To be honest, there are things that happen hundreds of times a day all around the world that I hate -- I wish these things never existed. Things that happen because of people.
I could blame these things on the human race and hate everyone else, or I could strive to prevent these things from happening.
I choose to fight the problems.
Now imagine if exactly 50% of the world's population held onto the same ideals that I do.
Imagine how much pain could be prevented and avoided.
Too bad that not even a small fraction of the world's population holds these ideals.
-Alezunde
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:41 am
But, if everybody (or even 50%) of the population was a crusader for fighting things they saw as problems, inevitabely there would be conflicts of interest, creating the very turnmoil that is being addressed in this thread. I don't think the solution is neccesarily activism (of which there is a signifigant fraction in existence blaugh ). Being active and assertive will by its nature breed more conflicts of opinion. I'm not sure there even IS a solution to the problems in our society. The best we can probably do is try to change things for the better in terms of our own personal vision while not forgetting the rights and feelings of others.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:22 pm
Alezunde Hating other people and doing your best to screw society over doesn't solve anything. So many people are cynics, realists, or pessimists. (All the same to me.) These three types of people have something in common: they all hold a negative view of the world around them. Why are they the way they are? Because being negative is always the lazy way. It's easier to complain about something than to actually do something about it.Yes, people will always create unecessary problems. To be honest, there are things that happen hundreds of times a day all around the world that I hate -- I wish these things never existed. Things that happen because of people. I could blame these things on the human race and hate everyone else, or I could strive to prevent these things from happening. I choose to fight the problems. Now imagine if exactly 50% of the world's population held onto the same ideals that I do. Imagine how much pain could be prevented and avoided. Too bad that not even a small fraction of the world's population holds these ideals. -Alezunde I'm a little two faced on this I guess. There is a part of me( the one who wrote the first post) who dislikes society and thinks we need to change the way we act and what not and actually thinks that people are still good, but have just lost their way. Also, there is a part of me that hates society so much that it thinks that we should destroy it. That side shows out ALOT more. And I do something about it. Now for me saying this I'm trusting you guys a whole lot. But then again no one hardly ever gets around to contacting the "authorities" on this web site. Any way when I was in my "destroy society" mood I tired to burn some guys house on fire. I didnt know who lived there or anything. But I tried. I know that it was very stupid. In fact very very stupid. I was trying to prove that I put my beliefs into action no matter how stupid they are. And when I'm not in that mood, I'm actually a nice person who tries to help people out. Now I guess I just need to find a little balance between the 2. So I guess the point I was trying to make is: You can act upon your beliefs , but you need to have the best beliefs before you act.
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