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 Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:31 am
who decides what is sin and what is not? please don't tell me its the pope
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:39 am
Oh, goodness, no! God decides what is sin and what is not sin. Anything that basically goes against the two commandments Jesus gave us in the New Testament is sinning- love God with all your strength, all your mind, all your heart, and all your soul (I'm paraphrasing a little, but that's the basic gist), and love your neighbor as yourself. He gave us these after someone asked him which of the Ten Commandments were the greatest and should therefore be observed over all the others. The first one covers the first of the Ten Commandments and the second covers the other nine. Jesus broke it down for us and made it pretty easy, I think.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:07 pm
i dont mean to be rude by origaly there were 603 command ments but that is for Jews, the Chirstian Church just summed up most of thouse into 10. but thank you, i had heard that the pope desides what is a sin or not
two more questions
1) are gay people going to hell
2)same as above but pagans (i use pagan as a gerelization of most magical reliongs from Asatru to Wicca)
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:45 pm
There may have been 603, but when Jesus came, He said "That's in the past. A new covenant is being made with my blood, so everything up until now doesn't count. These are the things you need to do ..." And then He laid it out in two simple commandments.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:36 am
Jesus is the fulfillment of OT commands in us. He did not erase everything that the OT said, he fulfilled it and then does the same through us when we believe in him.
There were 10 basic commandments that Moses was given on Mt. Sinai, the other commandments were lesser ones that were elaborations on the first 10 to an extent. The Bible never says 10 commandments, but they are still there with no need for making them up.
Everyone that doesn't believe in the death, burial, and ressurection of Jesus is going to hell. Everyone who does is going to heaven. That's how simple it is. Everyone needs Jesus.
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:56 am
immanuelkant Everyone that doesn't believe in the death, burial, and ressurection of Jesus is going to hell. Everyone who does is going to heaven. That's how simple it is. Everyone needs Jesus. Um, you missed a rather major aspect of the Christian faith. Belief is not enough to save, people also have to accept Jesus as their savior. It is not enough to believe in god, you must also accept him.
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:19 pm
Romans 10:9 says "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
Confession of the mouth and belief in the heart. Those are the only qualifications of salvation in Jesus Christ. Belief "in the heart" presupposes acceptance of the fact. You can't believe something and take it to heart and not accept those things as fact. The confession is really the key anyway. Jesus said we'd be persecuted for his name and people would know us by our love. They can't know us and persecute us unless we let them know that we believe "Jesus is Lord."
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:04 pm
my take on it is a person can be gay, but if they act apon it and have gay sex without conffesing and geting saved they will go to hell. that still makes no seance to me, yes it's in the bible but that is the word of man, who is to say the authors of the books did not word the bible the way they wanted it?
the only way i see homosexual sex as a sin is that it has no hope of procreation, meanin it is lustful which intern is a sin...is that right? confused
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:38 pm
Well, the Bible was written by men, but it was inspired by God. Think of it as God pretty much said "write this" and people wrote it down. That's really the easiest way I know to explain it.
And lust has nothing to do with whether or not sex will result in children. If that were the case, then contraceptives really would be sinful. God created sex. He created it to feel good and to bring a husband and wife closer together. He also created it so that, when that husband and wife were ready to become a mother and father, they could. It is a gift, one that should not be abused.
I agree that homosexual feelings are not a sin. They're feelings, and we can't always control what they do or where they go. But acting out on those feelings is what the sin is, just like you said. Not because it wouldn't result in children, but because it doesn't go with God's design. It is very obvious how men and women "fit" together. Men are the piercers and women the pierced (the Greek words translate into piercer and pierced respectively). You cannot have a piercer pierce another piercer, nor can you have one who is pierced pierce. Men and women fit together like puzzle pieces. That is how God designed it. Doing anything else is outside of God's intentions, and is therefore a sin.
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:39 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Well, the Bible was written by men, but it was inspired by God. Think of it as God pretty much said "write this" and people wrote it down. That's really the easiest way I know to explain it.
And lust has nothing to do with whether or not sex will result in children. If that were the case, then contraceptives really would be sinful. God created sex. He created it to feel good and to bring a husband and wife closer together. He also created it so that, when that husband and wife were ready to become a mother and father, they could. It is a gift, one that should not be abused.
I agree that homosexual feelings are not a sin. They're feelings, and we can't always control what they do or where they go. But acting out on those feelings is what the sin is, just like you said. Not because it wouldn't result in children, but because it doesn't go with God's design. It is very obvious how men and women "fit" together. Men are the piercers and women the pierced (the Greek words translate into piercer and pierced respectively). You cannot have a piercer pierce another piercer, nor can you have one who is pierced pierce. Men and women fit together like puzzle pieces. That is how God designed it. Doing anything else is outside of God's intentions, and is therefore a sin. that is the only good explaniation i have ever goten of why homosexual sex is wrong, thank you biggrin
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:59 pm
Sure thing. I try to spread a little knowledge now and then, though I'm no expert. I normally try to stay away from the "well god sez so in teh bibl so its bda" reasons. I mean, that is the reason, but there's more to it. It makes sense when you actually delve into the reasons behind the reason.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:04 pm
Thanks much Twack for posting this, and Fushigi for responding! Mainly on the homosexuality thing. Many people have been saying that if you're gay, you go to hell. >.< I tell them they're wrong, and they yell. gonk
So, I have another related question...what would you consider a sin from acting out on those feelings? ONLY sex, or even something like a kiss? That part always got me, because once again, people yell, and I get confused.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:26 pm
Hmm ... that's a good question. I think it depends on the situation. Acting out on your feelings in the form of sex is definitely a sin, no matter the situation. I would think something like a kiss depends on the situation. If it's innocent like kissing a friend when you greet them then that's fine (the Bible tells us to greet each other with a holy kiss anyway), but if you're necking with someone of the same sex then I would say that's almost as bad as having sex with them. Sure, there's no intercourse, but it's foreplay and it's an act of lust. The same other kinds of -ahem- pleasuring.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not just getting all up on gay people. It's wrong if heterosexuals do it too, because those are things meant for a marriage.
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:57 pm
immanuelkant Romans 10:9 says "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Confession of the mouth and belief in the heart. Those are the only qualifications of salvation in Jesus Christ. Belief "in the heart" presupposes acceptance of the fact. You can't believe something and take it to heart and not accept those things as fact. The confession is really the key anyway. Jesus said we'd be persecuted for his name and people would know us by our love. They can't know us and persecute us unless we let them know that we believe "Jesus is Lord." The part of the verse that you had originally left out was "Jesus is Lord." To simply say and believe, "Jesus died on the cross" is not enough, you must acknowledge him as your savior.
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:01 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Well, the Bible was written by men, but it was inspired by God. Think of it as God pretty much said "write this" and people wrote it down. That's really the easiest way I know to explain it.
And lust has nothing to do with whether or not sex will result in children. If that were the case, then contraceptives really would be sinful. God created sex. He created it to feel good and to bring a husband and wife closer together. He also created it so that, when that husband and wife were ready to become a mother and father, they could. It is a gift, one that should not be abused.
I agree that homosexual feelings are not a sin. They're feelings, and we can't always control what they do or where they go. But acting out on those feelings is what the sin is, just like you said. Not because it wouldn't result in children, but because it doesn't go with God's design. It is very obvious how men and women "fit" together. Men are the piercers and women the pierced (the Greek words translate into piercer and pierced respectively). You cannot have a piercer pierce another piercer, nor can you have one who is pierced pierce. Men and women fit together like puzzle pieces. That is how God designed it. Doing anything else is outside of God's intentions, and is therefore a sin. At what point does something go outside God's intentions? The Bible does not speak of television, so by watching it are we going outside his design? How about a less farfetched example. Organ transplants. God did not design for people to live with artificial kidneys, or other people's hearts. Are transplants wrong? The same can be asked of many things, so there must be a more specific requirement.
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