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 Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:44 pm
I was just re-reading volume seven where Saitou pays a visit to the dojo and he and Kenshin fight. Saitou called Kenshin a hypocrite for not killing his enemies and said that it was Kenshin's fault each time the person he was protecting was kidnapped, such as the incidents with Jinei and Kanryuu and that it Kenshin "let" Raijuta injure Yutaro.
I don't see how Kenshin can actually be blamed for any of those. True perhaps he should've sensed that Jinei was right in the area when he grabbed Kaoru, but Kaoru put herself in danger by coming there in the first place.
In the Kanryuu incident, Megumi voluntarily returned herself to Kanryuu's mansion and Kenshin went there to get her.
And with Raijuta, how the hell was Kenshin supposed to know what would happen to Yutaro since he'd never gone up against the Izuna before? He's not a psychic after all.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:23 pm
Ah, that poor Saitou, probably doesn't know too much about hypocrisy, then. Oddly, I've never noticed any of that, but I haven't read the manga either... For some strange reason, I can't remember if Saitou fought Kenshin in the Dojo, or not. It's been such a long time since I finished watching the anime, how very depressing, I guess it's time to watch all of it over again.
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:23 pm
They fought inside the dojo when Saitou came there to "evaluate" Kenshin's strength for the mission to Kyoto.
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:03 pm
I agree. All of these incidents were outside Kenshins control.
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:58 pm
have you ever thought that Saito might have been trying to provoke Battousai, not Kenshin? you know, trying to get him angry enough to turn into Battousai?
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:36 am
He probably was because Saitou didn't think Kenshin as he was was ( xd ) strong enough to defeat Shishio
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:42 am
I think he was trying to say Kenshin had made himself so weak that he couldn't properly protect those close to him by his refusal to kill. Because Saitou thinks being peaceful is bad. cry He thinks they will die because Kenshin refused to kill those endangering them...But we still love him anyways. xd
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:26 pm
TheIllustriousBlueJay have you ever thought that Saito might have been trying to provoke Battousai, not Kenshin? you know, trying to get him angry enough to turn into Battousai? In Trust and Betrayal Kenshin and Saito have a duel that has no conclusive outcome. For one Saito wants to finish this duel. Secondly Saito is a cop for the Army and was sent to gague Kenshin's ability, which was lacking from when Saito and Kenshin dueled the first time in Trust and Betrayal. Saito was undoutedly trying to anger Kenshin for both his own personal goal of beating the Patriots best Assassin, and for the army to see if Kenshin was worthy to take on the mission to kill Shishio. Saito proves that he is willing to anger people for his own intertainment whenever he bullies Sano.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:04 pm
LargoPiro TheIllustriousBlueJay have you ever thought that Saito might have been trying to provoke Battousai, not Kenshin? you know, trying to get him angry enough to turn into Battousai? In Trust and Betrayal Kenshin and Saito have a duel that has no conclusive outcome. For one Saito wants to finish this duel. Secondly Saito is a cop for the Army and was sent to gague Kenshin's ability, which was lacking from when Saito and Kenshin dueled the first time in Trust and Betrayal. Saito was undoutedly trying to anger Kenshin for both his own personal goal of beating the Patriots best Assassin, and for the army to see if Kenshin was worthy to take on the mission to kill Shishio. Saito proves that he is willing to anger people for his own intertainment whenever he bullies Sano. Yes, and duh. Kenshin has great fighting abilities, but is only at his 'finest' so to speak, when he reverts back to being a battosai - he's a wanderer that has taken an oath not to kill any more because he wants to redeem his past actions.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:56 am
Yeah, I definantly think it was just Saitou trying to provoke Kenshin. It's probably a hobby of his actually.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:13 am
I think Saitou meant that if Kenshin would have killed those guys none of this would have happend??? I am a Saitou fan. ninja
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:50 am
meh, kenshin's always caught putting himself at fault for things that really aren't it's kinda sad to be honest. like the tomoe incident, it wasn't his fault! tomoe just HAD to run in between 2 guys with swords...i mean honestly
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:04 pm
samuraichikX meh, kenshin's always caught putting himself at fault for things that really aren't it's kinda sad to be honest. like the tomoe incident, it wasn't his fault! tomoe just HAD to run in between 2 guys with swords...i mean honestly yeah that kinda sucked that she did that. i have nothing against the character, in fact, i love her character but... that wasn't her most shinning moment in time.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:09 am
I agree it's not really Kenshin's fault she died as she did throw herself in front of his blade. However, she probably couldn't see any other way to save him. She had to put herself between Kenshin and Tatsumi or Tatsumi would have killed Kenshin with Gofu Baku. It kinda seemed to me like Tomoe had death wish.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:57 am
Yami no Hitokiri I agree it's not really Kenshin's fault she died as she did throw herself in front of his blade. However, she probably couldn't see any other way to save him. She had to put herself between Kenshin and Tatsumi or Tatsumi would have killed Kenshin with Gofu Baku. It kinda seemed to me like Tomoe had death wish. Well according to Freud, everyone does. XD IDK if Tatsumi would have killed Kenshin though. Kenshin's attack cut through both him and Tomoe. I think it was misjudgement on her part.
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