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EngelerDeamon

PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:39 am


I love studying religion. Don't ask me why. I don't follow it. I don't believe in it. Maybe it would be the writer in me. The writer in me sees religion and goes "OH HOLY HELL!!! Look at all that crap just waiting for me to screw it up and make it into something no one wants!!! Look at all that creative inspiration that has been totally wasted, that I can take and abuse and make into something beautiful!!" And, of course, I'm left with a muses that must be dominatrixes who beat me until I write down everything that they just came up with.

An example of this? Check out this link--> Lucifer's Fall

Everything I wrote in that story (which I'm still working on, by the way) is as factual in names, details, and pre-Bible as I could make it. John Milton's Paradise Lost was helpful in places. The angels (and future fallen angels) all have three names, one of which, at the very least, is an actual name of an angel or future fallen angel. I think I devoted a good three weeks of my life to this story.

Do I believe a word of it? Excuse my language, but hell no.

Call me a fool for it. Call me an idiot. I don't care. Flames make for good and burnt marshmallows.

I try very hard to make sure that I know the things I write about, since almost all of them deal with religion. If I step on someone's toes, I want to do it with the true, factual information about their religion, not something I made up. I want to be able to weave a story, a possibility, out of some detail that there is little information on because people get so touchy when you go near the truth. That's the writer in me, of course, as I've stated before.

The rest of me? The rest of me sits back, relaxes, and tries to do what the evil dustbunny and bible muses tell them to.

So, what's everyone elses reasons/excuses for studying something they don't follow? ^_^
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:51 am


It's slightly easier to do debate from a Roman Catholic standpoint, than a scientological one.

Grand Moff Locket


EngelerDeamon

PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:14 pm


Lock The Cards
It's slightly easier to do debate from a Roman Catholic standpoint, than a scientological one.


Hmm... that's a good point.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:27 pm


I acctually read the bible just so i could learn what they are all talking about. and so i could know what to prove wrong. It's easier to kill someone's debate if you know all their resources.


josiv


Loiterer


EngelerDeamon

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:35 am


phantom_hero
I acctually read the bible just so i could learn what they are all talking about. and so i could know what to prove wrong. It's easier to kill someone's debate if you know all their resources.


*nods* I hope they never start bringing up the books of the bible that were thrown out against you. Then, there could be massive problems. Of course, someone who does that probably isn't the atypical religious freak, either. ^___^
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:54 pm


I find that I love studying all religions. I've always loved reading about the escapades of Greek deities, and have a particular interest in Hinduism and Shinto. I just find what people believe in to be interesting. My latest interest is Wicca. The worship of nature seems natural and primal to me.
Makes me want to dance naked around a camp fire.


(By the way, I just joined. I lean mostly towards science when I want to know how the world works, but sometimes a bit of the metaphysical can be really inspiring. Bah, I'm a writer at heart.)

Vanadia Gold


Dathu

Newbie Noob

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:16 am


I studied religion when I was religious now that I'm not, I don't seek it out for study. However, the stories are interesting as fiction always is. And sometimes I find it even more interesting that these far fetched ideas are not only believed, but worshiped. So I do dabble in and out of religions but in no different a way that a person strolls through a book store fo an interesting novel.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:04 pm


Quote:
I studied religion when I was religious now that I'm not, I don't seek it out for study. However, the stories are interesting as fiction always is. And sometimes I find it even more interesting that these far fetched ideas are not only believed, but worshiped. So I do dabble in and out of religions but in no different a way that a person strolls through a book store fo an interesting novel.


This is probably one of the most interesting replies I've gotten. Might I suggest you take a peek at Satanism?? (NOT, might I add, the typical view of it. I mean the actual satanic bible.) It's a very intersting religion, to say the least, in the way of fictions since you dabble that way.

EngelerDeamon


E_Night

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:21 pm


Vanadia Gold
I find that I love studying all religions. I've always loved reading about the escapades of Greek deities, and have a particular interest in Hinduism and Shinto. I just find what people believe in to be interesting. My latest interest is Wicca. The worship of nature seems natural and primal to me.
Makes me want to dance naked around a camp fire.


(By the way, I just joined. I lean mostly towards science when I want to know how the world works, but sometimes a bit of the metaphysical can be really inspiring. Bah, I'm a writer at heart.)


Huzzah! let us have our little pow wow! *frolics around the campfire*
it seems many athiests like to study religions. It so funny to observe christens in their natural habbitat. some of the meanest most evilest people i have met were christians. They "sinned" their going to thier own privat christian hell where non-believers run around naked eating apples and poking them with sticks!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:07 pm


woahness. Natural habitat huh? How funny.

EngelerDeamon


Rev Shrubbery

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:54 am


It hurts me to study religions, beleive it or not. If I study the religions of my friends, I feel so terrible for them because they are forming their lives around a lie. If I study any religion I will most likely know someone who follows it and then feel bad for them. I really don't like religion.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:38 pm


As much as I detest the idea of organized religion, let alone obviously conformist cliques of any kind, I enjoy reading into religions.

My reasons are simple: As someone mentioned earlier, the best way to kill someone's debate is to know their side of it. But also, I like to try to compare, and weigh the pros and the cons. As much as religions generally stink, there is usually some redeemable point in a religion. Take, for example, the Ten Commandments, excluding the first four (and a half). What do I mean, you ask? Simple: the first four commandments are

1. "You shall have no other gods before Me." This one is useless, and can be used all too easily to comdemn people of other faiths. *disgard*

2. "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any other likeness of what is in heaven above or on the Earth beneath or in the water under the Earth." Once again, virtually useless... sure, it's a great argument to say it will keep people from making asses of themselves... it'd be a great argument if that was true. Look at Popey-pants. He's made an idol of himself (well, did... but now he's all gone) and I saw no God coming down to smite his a**, nor any Christians using this Commandment against him. Not only these reason,s but also the fact that heaven cannot be 'above', because when I point up and someone in Australia points up, it's a different up. Above is physical, and heaven would be metaphysical. Also, the water is not "under the Earth", for the same reason. 'Under' is relative to where you are standing... also, 'under; would imply that the Earth is flat... need I say more? Nuh-uh. *disgard*

3. "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunsihed who takes His name in vain." Another bad one. Let's look harshly at this. Let's say that someone drags some poor unsuspecting kid into an alley, slits his throat, and beats his body ruthlessly with a shovel until nothing is left of it. Because of the way the Christian religion works, all this sicko needs to do is beg for forgiveness from God, and God'll do it, because he's realized what he's done wrong. But, on the other hand, if someone happens to see this happen and they blurt out "Oh my God! Christ all ******** mighty! Jesus, he's killing him!!" even if they had done nothing wrong before or after this, they would go to Hell. Yeah, way to run a fair moral system *disgard*

4. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." This implies many faults in the dogma. Not only will you have sinned if you don't keep the day holy, but it specifically says "Remember", meaning if you woke up and thought it was Saturday, but it was actually Sunday... guess what... you just broke a commandment! biggrin I have nothing against having a day off work for contemplative thought and rest... in fact, I need to commend this commandment for making the week easier for many people... free day off every week, just 'cause some asscrack in the sky says so! W00t! What I do have a problem with is "keeping it holy", and it being a sin not to. *disgard*

4 1/2. "Honor your mother and your father, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you." I'm all for having respect for the parent-types. It's just a good rule of thumb. They feed, clothe and house you, so the least you can do is show them some courtesy. The problems are, once again, the sin aspect, and the mentioning of God, and the unusual connection from parents to the land God apparently 'gives' you. What, is God a real estate agent? A landLORD (haha! oh, my puns own! domokun xp ) But no, seriously, this one loses points for the sin aspect, and the incoherant mentioning of land and Lordy. *mostly disgard*

The rest of the Commandments are pretty useful, once the sin aspect is dropped. Not killing, not stealing and not cheating are pretty good moral concepts, all around. So, they could be considered good writing, even though they're ridiculously simple and not followed enough by religious-folks.

In Satanism, there are also some good and bad things... I don't really remember every Satanic Commandment, but they basically tie into combinging logic and instinct. It tells you to not deceive yourself, not harm people, especially small children, since they aren't mature enough to know better, to not kill any non-human animal, unless it is self-defense or food-oriented (blah blah)... they're just decently logical precepts....

So yes, that is why I read into religions... to both knock down the religions and the fanatics within them, and to keep all redeemable aspects and weish them with the useless ones.

- Bipolarity -


in the afternoon

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:10 pm


I dunno.. I think of it as literature.. and I can learn something from it, even though I don't personally follow it.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:58 pm


Religion is a fasinating thing to study for 3 reasons,
1: It makes for super sweet debates with addicts(believers)
2: It makes it easier to go on forums and write disgustingly-scary-fanatic comments to genuinly offent people of other fanatical faiths.
3: The grammer in the bible is ******** hilarious!!!

(MemeBurrow)


EngelerDeamon

PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:59 pm


First and foremost: Thanks for all the comments. I genuily enjoy reading them, even if I dont' mention you. ^___^

In particular, I enjoyed reading bipolarity's entry. She has many, many good points. All religions do, it would seem, have one or two redemable traits, and they all try to give good moral codes, though scare tactics are the favorite form of it.

As for the bible in the grammer: that's why it took me two years to read the damn thing!! I absolutely hate bad grammer, and reading it hurts my eyes (and head).

Yet again, thanks for all the comments and keep commentin' away!
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