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Pro-choicers in general. |
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Pro-choice arguments. |
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Pro-choice ideology. |
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life in general. |
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no respect whatsoever. |
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:26 am
Okay, we have all had our share of, lets say 'troubles' with pro-choicers, pro-choice logic, and pro-choice 'debates'. And recedntly in the hangout thread there has been alot of ranting going on in general about things we've been fed up with, people we have been fed up with, or personal problems we are fed up with.
This is the thread for you then, so right now I want you too scream at the top of your lungs, let that inner child of yours feel not-so-innocent anymore, and make Jesus cry, with your angered/saddened rant.
Come on do it, it'll make you feel a hell of alot better.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:01 pm
I'm sick of pro-choicers making fun of us in their signatures.
I'm sick of pro-choicers putting words in our mouths.
I'm sick of the amount of disrespect coming from their crude remarks about us.
I'm sick of a select group of pro-choicers (not all of them, only about two or three) who think that by acting tough and bitchy to those who think differently than they do they're impressing other people, and looking "cool" because of it.
And that's all I have right now.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:19 pm
Ditto, Ebony. Ditto.
And I'm sick of people who openly call us "anti-choicers". confused
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:37 pm
I have a confession to make.
.....I actually do hate women.
Okay maybe not HATE women but women sure do know how to touch a nerve that men seem incapable of. "Mean Girls" pretty much covered (and caricatured) it. They're gossipy and whiney and catty and secretive and materialistic and...ugh I can never be as comfortable talking to another female as I do a male.
That's just females as a generalization. Yes, I know a lot of women who are lovely human beings that I feel comfortable being with and a lot of men who are utter scum.
"Pete...you know I don't blame most of my troubles as a woman on men."
"That's because you blame them on other women."
...or at least the angry bitter feminist activists.
In a way I owe my renewed respect for the feminism to two people/organizations.
1.) Feminists for Life
2.) Debbie Stoller (but only to a certain extent)
For the longest time I always believed that "feminism is the silly idea that feminists were women" (found on a conservative T-Shirt) and I refused to be associated with that. My mother is just that...a mother. Granted she's a teacher too but she chose to become an elementary school music teacher (instead of a concert pianist) so that she could be a better mother. In fact, she is not ashamed to say that she would much rather quit her job altogether. She has five pieces of evidence to show that her life was not wasted in the home. We're all good kids...she is a DAMN fine mom.
Guess what? She's happy. I guess some of that rubbed off on us. My sister and never really considered living alone for too long after college. I just graduated and...it feels like getting a job and becoming self sufficient and financially secure is just a stepping stone to starting a family. If I can't take care of myself, how can I take care of someone else? We're all family-oriented people.
This is what I want. I like being compassionate and intuitive and nurturing and all of those other feminine traits. I like kids, video games, computers, slapstick comedies, romantic comedies and knitting. And if I am brainwashed then so be it. As far as my identity as a woman is concerned, I'd rather be happily stupid as a "failure to womanhood" than miserably enlightened trying to be a man.
So I thank FFL for valueing the role of the mother and recognizing the job to be one of the most important, thankless and undervalued roles in society today.
And Debbie Stoller for telling me it was okay to knit and sew instead of doing soccer and karate. The only thing "wrong" with doing "women's work" is because it is women's work. Sounds pretty anti-woman to me.
In the words of my mom...."Well DUUUUH!"
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:49 pm
@Aks: Because that's pretty much the entire pro-choice facade. No facts, logic, no respect, love, or care for anyone.
Simply insults, and infatuations, desires, and irresponsibility.
@Cyanna: Beautifully written, girl.
Your mom seems like a very wonderful woman, who we could all learn a bit from.
mrgreen
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:00 pm
I agree with what Cyanna-call things womans work makes us sound more like slaves if nothing else. I like sewing (just not getting the needle suck in me sweatdrop ) but I also like sword fighting and martial arts and hate cooking, does that make me less of a woman cause of learning to fight and defend myself and hate cooking? No. I hate who people put me down for it and try to force me to cook (that doesn't help my fear of fire or make me want to cook moref anything it makes things worse and hate it more). Why do woman have to do somethings? Want I hate the most is when people ask my mom if I was domestic, wtf? I'm not an animal (well techically humans are animals but you get the idea), since when woman were house pets or slaves? That's what some people make it sound like
Also hate that in debates, people like to mudsling more then use facts and actually debating. I'm not anti-woman (though I dislike some cause some are really hurtful at times, sadly a lot of this cyanna said is sort of true. Growing up, the girls were alot meanier the the boys were though some were really nice as well) or anti-choice (just disagree with some choices, there is a difference.
Also dislike how the mix up zygote with fetuses often yet say were dumb.
Zyogote-cells pontentail human/baby, it might not attacth to the uterus.
Fetuses-cells,organs,muscles,skin tissue,ect..it is human/baby
this makes me feel abit better but still have alot of issues to work out.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:23 pm
Neth's thread about "This Guild's..." got me sick when it was first introduced awhile back. And despite Veled never touching the issue, I left knowing full well I wasn't wanted, and looking back that was a terrific decision. I never was tempted with dealing with that guild, and frankly I didn't care. As long as they didn't harass any of my memebers, who cared.
Then it gets bumped and somehow, i'm a facist ruler?
ROFL-waffle on all of them. Because, we all know we can trust PeerOrlando, who was banned how many times? And he's on your side. Real superb opinion there Choicers.
I never did any of that, I attempted to preseve the peace and I also listened to my members. Talon was, and still is, in my opinion a keeper. But Peer? After seeing his "debating skillz" in the abortion thread, he really was nothing more then a flamer coming in sheep's clothing. A few stereotypical ideas of his life story come to mind but I shall not voice such slandered and probably incorrect ideas.
At least they all agree i'm eloquent.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:55 pm
Whoa.
Verbal bloodshed everywhere.
*was reading through Nethilia's thread in the Choicers Guild and saw countless brutal arguments*
That was terrible. Everyone was against each other. Everyone was fighting, bickering, and bitching.
Your bravery to take them all down at once amazes me, Kaiser. <3
But for all of you that went there and stood up for us and our beliefs on another battlefield, other than our own, I raise my glass and applaud you wholeheartedly.
I would have never had the courage to do something like that; ya'll have some nerve. Especially Kaiser, and KP.
Much admiration and respect to the both of you. I salute those who had the courage to dive, slow-motion, into a sea of Choicers, using logic, truth, and lack of bitchiness to get your points across.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:26 pm
I'm tired of the whole, "Their entire platform is about enslaving women!" If that is true, using the logic they use, their entire platform is about killing babies. I don't really see why they want to cast themselves in that light, but hey, if they'd like to, I suppose people can go ahead.
I'm sick and tired of being deemed close-minded by people who won't even listen to my arguments for why I believe what I do. People who shun me for my close-minded beliefs make me laugh, but it's just frustrating. I also feel like a horrible person sometimes because I don't shun people who I see supporting terrible things. I don't shun people who think it's okay to rape women, I try to change their minds. I don't shun people who think it's okay to beat people, I try to change their minds. At what point should I stop trying to change peoples' minds? Everyone has their own view of what's right and wrong and why in the world am I trying to get people to accept mine instead of just ignoring those people and writing them off as being bad? Why is prejudice a bad thing anyway? I always think it is, but it saves trouble. It'd especially save a few headaches here.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:40 pm
I think they are the ones that are closed minded (well a lot of them) for 1. they asume were all Christians, last time I checked I wasn't in a religion
2. they asume we're anti-choice, last time I check also I said they make their own choices (just disagree and let the law and if there is a God, deal with their choices)
3. say every female is a muderer everytime they have a period (hello, not all cells are living, some are dead and we can't always help it) or everytime people eat (both plants and animals are leaving but what other choices we have besides straving? We have to kill an animal or plant at times for food in order to live, fetsus you don't have to kill most of the time to live, there is a difference there.
4. that we don't care about kids/people after their born, how the hell do they know if we do or not? Do they spy or something? Giving money, food and clothes to people who need it sounds like caring to me. I don't always have it though, i'm not rich and have to take care of myself before I can help others (can't help others if I can't help myself)
And a bunch of other crap, they need to think about somethings first before they post.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:52 pm
I'd like names of who was unfairly banned. Seriously, I would. If someone can come up with a list of names of people who were banned, I'd like to see it.
I'm sick of this. What is there to not understand about, "Don't troll here or you'll be banned?"
GAHHHHHH
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:22 pm
The thing I just realized when talking to these people is that, they won't respect you back, they never will, so whats the use? I'm going to quit being the nice guy and be an a*****e... to an extent.
But still passive agressivness is quite fun.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:56 pm
I hate that their new "thing" is "ohh the lifers hate choicers and it's the only reason that they banned us from the pro-life guild even though I was trolling, making an a** of myself and just general upsetting their ******** off, seriously DarkFire or PeerOrlando or whatever you want to be called. You were being a complete ******** moron and pissing everyone off. You were also banned TWICE on Gaia, so obviously it's not just KP who thinks that you shouldn't be around the general public.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:59 pm
Master Kaiser The thing I just realized when talking to these people is that, they won't respect you back, they never will, so whats the use? I'm going to quit being the nice guy and be an a*****e... to an extent. But still passive agressivness is quite fun. Kaiser, you leaving isn't what I had in mind. Thank you for relaying my messages but I only did that so people didn't actually believe I tossed Talon out for no reason. If you want to be there, please by all means be there. They like you so that's what we call an accomplishment. 3nodding xd To Beware: Your support is beyond words. Thank you.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:06 pm
kp606 Master Kaiser The thing I just realized when talking to these people is that, they won't respect you back, they never will, so whats the use? I'm going to quit being the nice guy and be an a*****e... to an extent. But still passive agressivness is quite fun. Kaiser, you leaving isn't what I had in mind. Thank you for relaying my messages but I only did that so people didn't actually believe I tossed Talon out for no reason. If you want to be there, please by all means be there. They like you so that's what we call an accomplishment. 3nodding xd To Beware: Your support is beyond words. Thank you. Haha if I recall correctly it was Kate and I that were screaming "******** ban him!" and you were the one that didn't want to because you knew he'd pull this s**t. So really I don't have any reason NOT to support you, I wanted him banned long before you actually did it.
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