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 Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:16 am
Why are you Christians?
Now, I want you all to read and take this seriously, and reply if you can.
Have you never considered that maybe adopting a set of premade morals was quite a waste of your free will and personal experience?
Normal people change everyday, as does their way of thinking, and their opinions, so having concrete morals to abide by seems quite pointless and restricting, wouldn't you say?
When somebody has to ask other people "Is this wrong?", to me, it shows abandonment of consciousness, and therefore, a large part of your personality.
Why are you seeing out of YOUR eyes? Why is this all from YOUR perspective and not somebody else's?
Why do you think the way YOU do, and have the doubts you do, and the urges you have and the intrests you have? Everything you feel, that the Bible goes against, cannot be from Satan, as this is really not possible.
Things do not simply fall under the catergory of 'evil' and 'good', or 'Satanic' and 'Godly', or if they do, where is the line drawn?
If all bad feelings came from Satan, then your individuality also came from Satan.
If there was no jealousy, and only admiration, or if there was only love, and never lust, or only satisfaction, and never greed, everybody would be exactly the same.
There would be no culture, there would be no opinion or perspective. Saying that bad urges to do bad things, or bad feelings that to the majority makes you a bad person, all come from Satan, is also saying all diversity, excitement, personal intrests and and tastes, and the urge to improve and evolve, also come from Satan.
To reject your 'bad' side, is to reject half of yourself. This can't make you a 'better' person... it can only be wasting yourself.
So why apologise about the 'wrong' things you have done or felt?
God should be apologising to you for creating the capability inside of you, technically, should he not?) Why apologise for the way you are? The way you are is the way you are, and you should not reject it, you should embrace it, as it can be a lot more powerful than a personality equal to everybody and everything around you. Nobody can love you then, esp. not somebody as 'important' and 'all knowing' as the supreme being that is God.
Of course you'll all disagree with me and I'd like to know how, so please reply.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:18 pm
whimsical-im Why are you Christians? Now, I want you all to read and take this seriously, and reply if you can. Have you never considered that maybe adopting a set of premade morals was quite a waste of your free will and personal experience? Normal people change everyday, as does their way of thinking, and their opinions, so having concrete morals to abide by seems quite pointless and restricting, wouldn't you say? When somebody has to ask other people "Is this wrong?", to me, it shows abandonment of consciousness, and therefore, a large part of your personality. Why are you seeing out of YOUR eyes? Why is this all from YOUR perspective and not somebody else's? Why do you think the way YOU do, and have the doubts you do, and the urges you have and the intrests you have? Everything you feel, that the Bible goes against, cannot be from Satan, as this is really not possible. Things do not simply fall under the catergory of 'evil' and 'good', or 'Satanic' and 'Godly', or if they do, where is the line drawn? If all bad feelings came from Satan, then your individuality also came from Satan. If there was no jealousy, and only admiration, or if there was only love, and never lust, or only satisfaction, and never greed, everybody would be exactly the same. There would be no culture, there would be no opinion or perspective. Saying that bad urges to do bad things, or bad feelings that to the majority makes you a bad person, all come from Satan, is also saying all diversity, excitement, personal intrests and and tastes, and the urge to improve and evolve, also come from Satan. To reject your 'bad' side, is to reject half of yourself. This can't make you a 'better' person... it can only be wasting yourself. So why apologise about the 'wrong' things you have done or felt? God should be apologising to you for creating the capability inside of you, technically, should he not?) Why apologise for the way you are? The way you are is the way you are, and you should not reject it, you should embrace it, as it can be a lot more powerful than a personality equal to everybody and everything around you. Nobody can love you then, esp. not somebody as 'important' and 'all knowing' as the supreme being that is God. Of course you'll all disagree with me and I'd like to know how, so please reply. Lets say that NO ONE believed in God. lest say he doesnt exist...just pretending here. now god doesnt exist and man is born. naturally and eventualy man would make up their own laws and draw the lines and come up with their own cultures. all morals and ideas, man would come up with on their own. having a religion only emphasizes everything. religion is a faith, an idea, a belief. but if no religion existed, man would still come up with their own ideas. there are so many personalities out there and idealisms that exist. and no matter what universe there is, someone will always come up with the idea of good and evil. mankind creates its own good an evil. we ARE good and evil, just depends upon mankind to come up with where to draw the lines. that happens even today. for EXAMPLE: theres alot of things that mankind thinks is okay that God doesnt. perfect example is abortion. alot of people think its okay, but alot DONT. even NON christians fall with the opinion that it isnt okay, even though they're not christian. and christian beliefs is heavily against abortion. so you see whether thers a religion or not, there will always be an opposing side to an idea/law/ whatever. Regarding Satan: not all bad feelings come from Satan. course you have define what are bad feelings. its entirely situational. feelings are of human nature. feelings are only bad if they are corrupted. EXAMPLE: the feeling love...is corrupted by man kind when its used in incest or lust or love in use for premarital sex. the only way Satan is involved is his "temptations" to us. he TEMPTS us to do unchristinaly things. he doesnt make us do stuff. in the end its our choice. Regarding God: God appologise to us??....im sorry but that to me is a VERY selfish idea. he gave us the ability to UNDERSTAND good and evil and sin, that doestn mean he MAKES us sin. again its OUR choice of what we do. we choose to sin in specific ways, hence why we are held accountable for our sins. if he DIDNT allow us such understanding we'd live in a very childish world. and for you to ask why God should appologise for the way we are? is like saying "god why did you give me the ability to murder?" its like blaming god for the things we CHOOSE to do. Embarce our bad side? Our bad side is what makes us choose the wrong decisions....that have multiple consequences. for instance, i guess my bad side woudl want me to get drunk and go drive a car. are you sure youd want to embrace your bad side in such cases? Religion is a way of life for most people, but its also a basis of faith that helps GET us through life. Humans need something to believe in, whatever that may be. We create morals whether religion exists or not, but religion is a "catalyst" for people's beliefs.
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:46 pm
This is too deep for me...
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:50 pm
Quote: Lets say that NO ONE believed in God. lest say he doesnt exist...just pretending here. now god doesnt exist and man is born. naturally and eventualy man would make up their own laws and draw the lines and come up with their own cultures. all morals and ideas, man would come up with on their own. having a religion only emphasizes everything. religion is a faith, an idea, a belief. but if no religion existed, man would still come up with their own ideas. there are so many personalities out there and idealisms that exist. and no matter what universe there is, someone will always come up with the idea of good and evil. mankind creates its own good an evil. we ARE good and evil, just depends upon mankind to come up with where to draw the lines. that happens even today. for EXAMPLE: theres alot of things that mankind thinks is okay that God doesnt. perfect example is abortion. alot of people think its okay, but alot DONT. even NON christians fall with the opinion that it isnt okay, even though they're not christian. and christian beliefs is heavily against abortion. so you see whether thers a religion or not, there will always be an opposing side to an idea/law/ whatever. Regarding Satan: not all bad feelings come from Satan. course you have define what are bad feelings. its entirely situational. feelings are of human nature. feelings are only bad if they are corrupted. EXAMPLE: the feeling love...is corrupted by man kind when its used in incest or lust or love in use for premarital sex. the only way Satan is involved is his "temptations" to us. he TEMPTS us to do unchristinaly things. he doesnt make us do stuff. in the end its our choice. Regarding God: God appologise to us??....im sorry but that to me is a VERY selfish idea. he gave us the ability to UNDERSTAND good and evil and sin, that doestn mean he MAKES us sin. again its OUR choice of what we do. we choose to sin in specific ways, hence why we are held accountable for our sins. if he DIDNT allow us such understanding we'd live in a very childish world. and for you to ask why God should appologise for the way we are? is like saying "god why did you give me the ability to murder?" its like blaming god for the things we CHOOSE to do. Embarce our bad side? Our bad side is what makes us choose the wrong decisions....that have multiple consequences. for instance, i guess my bad side woudl want me to get drunk and go drive a car. are you sure youd want to embrace your bad side in such cases? Religion is a way of life for most people, but its also a basis of faith that helps GET us through life. Humans need something to believe in, whatever that may be. We create morals whether religion exists or not, but religion is a "catalyst" for people's beliefs. i agree fully
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:40 am
SaintChaos Lets say that NO ONE believed in God. lest say he doesnt exist...just pretending here. now god doesnt exist and man is born. naturally and eventualy man would make up their own laws and draw the lines and come up with their own cultures. all morals and ideas, man would come up with on their own. having a religion only emphasizes everything. religion is a faith, an idea, a belief. but if no religion existed, man would still come up with their own ideas. there are so many personalities out there and idealisms that exist. and no matter what universe there is, someone will always come up with the idea of good and evil. mankind creates its own good an evil. we ARE good and evil, just depends upon mankind to come up with where to draw the lines. that happens even today. for EXAMPLE: theres alot of things that mankind thinks is okay that God doesnt. perfect example is abortion. alot of people think its okay, but alot DONT. even NON christians fall with the opinion that it isnt okay, even though they're not christian. and christian beliefs is heavily against abortion. so you see whether thers a religion or not, there will always be an opposing side to an idea/law/ whatever. Regarding Satan: not all bad feelings come from Satan. course you have define what are bad feelings. its entirely situational. feelings are of human nature. feelings are only bad if they are corrupted. EXAMPLE: the feeling love...is corrupted by man kind when its used in incest or lust or love in use for premarital sex. the only way Satan is involved is his "temptations" to us. he TEMPTS us to do unchristinaly things. he doesnt make us do stuff. in the end its our choice. Regarding God: God appologise to us??....im sorry but that to me is a VERY selfish idea. he gave us the ability to UNDERSTAND good and evil and sin, that doestn mean he MAKES us sin. again its OUR choice of what we do. we choose to sin in specific ways, hence why we are held accountable for our sins. if he DIDNT allow us such understanding we'd live in a very childish world. and for you to ask why God should appologise for the way we are? is like saying "god why did you give me the ability to murder?" its like blaming god for the things we CHOOSE to do. Embarce our bad side? Our bad side is what makes us choose the wrong decisions....that have multiple consequences. for instance, i guess my bad side woudl want me to get drunk and go drive a car. are you sure youd want to embrace your bad side in such cases? Religion is a way of life for most people, but its also a basis of faith that helps GET us through life. Humans need something to believe in, whatever that may be. We create morals whether religion exists or not, but religion is a "catalyst" for people's beliefs. Excellent point. I would even go further to say (for the purpoes of understanding why Christians do the things we do) that part of being a Christian, is to imitate Christ, or become Christ-like. 1 Thesselonians 1:6And you [set yourselves to] become imitators of us and [through us] of the Lord Himself, for you welcomed our message in [spite of] much persecution, with joy [inspired] by the Holy Spirit; (7)So that you [thus] became a pattern to all the believers (those who adhere to, trust in, and rely on Christ Jesus) in Macedonia and Achaia (most of Greece)." With that being said, many non-Christians use this to label us a hypocrites because we do not always fulfill this command. Let me remind you we are human. We struggle with our human nature and deciphering right from wrong. Just because society tells us something is ok, does not make that action ok in the eyes of God. The Christian mindset is that we love God, just as one loves their parents. Most parents (I understand not all parents fit this category, but go with me here) love their children and will do nearly anything for their children if they needed it. And most children strive to make their parents proud of them. This is typically stereotyped with the classic "That's my boy!" cry from the stands of a football game. Like wise, we desire to make our heavenly Father proud of us. We enjoy doing what is right. And you can still have tons of fun while doing the right things. I personally never found it much fun to get drunk, wasted, do things I normally would NEVER do, only to find out from friends the next day what I did because I don't remember a thing. Do you enjoy breaking the trust of a close friend who was nothing but good to you? Whether you broke that trust through lying to them, stealing from them, or just plain being mean to them, it doesn't matter. The fact is that trust is broke, and NO ONE wants that from a close friend. This all stems from the "evil" side of human nature. I don't blame satan for my actions of hurting my friend. I made the concious choice. I must pay the consequences and try to mend the relationship. What good comes out of evil? So why choose evil instead of good? I never found a fullfilment out of being cruel and evil to other people. I ALWAYS find more joy (happiness is a temporary mood, but joy is an underlying foundation of peace that the mindset and all moods rest upon) out of doing something FOR others than I did out of doing something TO others. Try it sometime. It's a good feeling knowing that you are helping others. That is why we do the things we do.
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:09 pm
wow all story is very good! but it beautiful powerful... sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:57 pm
i'm a christian because i choose to be one, not because i was raised that way. (even though i was) Jesus has made himself known to me in different ways in my life making it immpossible for me to deny him.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:16 pm
God gave us a choice to follow him or not. saying things are right and wrong is not restricting. It all about what you choose. I choose to follow God and abide by his laws the best i can. Others dont. its all choice not restrictions
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Emradrig rolled 1 20-sided dice:
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Total: 10 (1-20)
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:04 pm
"Bad" things are bad for the sake of being bad. They have consequences. Everything in the world has consequences. You could choose to embrace your "bad" side but all that will do is cause harm to others and yourself. You may not know right away what harm your actions do, but it's there nonetheless. Doing what feels good now could be excruciatingly painful later.
Doing what is "good" often brings hope, comfort and happiness. People like feeling that way. Of course doing good is usually quite difficult and doesn't always have immediate rewards. Sometimes we even try to do what is right but screw up.
God doesn't want to restrict us, He wants to help us do what is good. That's why I have faith in Him. If you listen and obey Him, He'll help you do good. Not only does He help you avoid temptation, He lessens your desire for it. So logically it would be in your best interest to obey God.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:53 am
Hi,
Oh my what goings on: Yes we are always changing but some rules we abide by never change.
1. Hurting another person
2. Stealing
3. Respect for others
4. Wasting our bodies by alot of abusive behavior.
and others that I can't think of right now. The love of God supercedes all of this, Why am I a Christian? Because the love of God has touched my heart and He has truely made me glad.
Have a nice day friend,
Susie502
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:09 pm
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:49 pm
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:46 pm
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:52 pm
It also depends of what "Bad" is. A lot of things people say are bad really aren't. Back in the 50's with rise of Rock n' Roll music, older people said it was the devil's music and it was "The death of the generation." But these 'bad' things weren't really bad to begin with. Just neo-mega-conservative overthinking. cry cry
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