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 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:06 pm
What are your opinions on the Terrie Schiavo case? (I'm not sure if I spelled her name right or not) Do you believe that to be murder or not?
Personally I believe that they should go ahead and disconnect her feeding tube. Why would anyone want to be in a vegetative state for 15 years? I definitely wouldn't. It's not exactly murder if she would've died before it they hadn't of kept her on all of those machines.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:48 pm
This is more of a moral question than a philosophical question, but any question can surely be debated with a philosophical twist (grins).
While there are many sides to this argument, it's easier to simplify it down into two sides. If anybody has a different simplification or comments on this one, please do present them! The below is by no means absolute!
Side One = Human Life is Sacred and should be Prolonged
First, there is the side that holds all human life as absolutely sacred and nobody has the right to take a human life ever. Most of these people are hypocrits, giving the nod to taking life in the event of war and whatnot. Some of them are even for the death penalty. But, they stand by that nobody has the right to end someone else's life against their will.
Why do these people believe the way they do? I suspect it stems from our culture's religious fixation on death, and abnormally high fear of death. There are surely other causes (empathy and the like), but this one I find among the more interesting. Judeo-Christian religious systems are more death-fixiative than life-fixative. A lot of the system deals with death and afterlife more than life itself. So, in many respects, this whole case becomes a religious issue. That's all I'll say on this for right now... want some reponses from you guys first! wink
Side Two = Prolonging a Life that Should End is a Crime
Second, there is the side that finds prolonging a life that should end to be criminal and torture. Truly, the only right every person is born with regardless of government, sex, race, or creed.... that is the right to die. For we will all die someday... it's inevitable. However, a lot of people look down upon a person making a decision to die (ie suicide), including the people who hold this view.
This too is becomes a religious issue. Those faiths which believe in reincarnation would be much more sympathetic to this point of view. If woman who is dying of cancer is in terrible pain and wants to end her life, she should have the right to do that and move onto the next life. Here there is less of a philosophical fixation on death, and instead one on life. Instead of shying away from inevitable death and prolonging a life that should end, death is simply accepted. The living move on.
But, before I take a debating side on this issue, lets get some more imput on this topic. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:46 pm
Starlock, I'd say you described Side 1 extremely unfairly - it's quite obvious what your opinion is right off the bat. You do not know the person - how can you call them a hypocrit? That's just disrespectful of someone's viewpoint.
As for Christianity being death-fixiated, it's exactly the opposite. The whole idea is eternal life - NOT death. I don't really understand where you got such statements.
Finally, I believe that we as the public do not have enough information on either her state or beliefs to make a fair decision.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:30 pm
Aeonian.life, as someone who has studied the bible a great deal(11 years solid almost.))I have this to say. The entire basis for the bible is Death. If adam and eve(Theres a topic for later)hadn't ate the fruit then Death would not have entered the world, and Jesus needn't have died on the cross to give us life for eternity. A Christian should look forward to death. For with his or her death they are united with God. Death, a physical one, is the best thing that can happen to a Christian. "For to die is to gain."THat was the apostle Peter."For behold, in my fathers house there are many mansions and if this were not so then I would have told you."That was Jesus, both of those qoutes being slightly paraphrased as my mind isn't running on KJV tonight. And that amazing song"One glad morning when this life is o'er, I'll fly away." These are all examples of Death being a good thing. The Bible is based on this. Show me one of Jesus' parables that didn't deal with being saved from Death.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:36 pm
Well, I didn't mean to insult anybody. Whenever I use that term hypocrite I almost never mean it as an insult, certainly not in a public forum. Did you read the thread I created on the topic? (chuckles) We're ALL hypocrits, but many people who hold pro-life attitudes are hypocrits. In fact ALL of them are, because to live, they MUST kill. Even if we restrict it to human life, I doubt there is a single person alive who could honestly say that there is not a single circumstance that warrants killing another human being. Guess I should've explained this concept a bit more. sweatdrop
But no, the public of course does NOT get the full or accurate story. We all know how the media can bend and distort things. I don't care that much on the issue. It only reminds me that I should write out a statement NOW clearly stating I would never want to be kept alive in such a condition to avoid this kind of argumentative insanity with courts.
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:03 pm
It really confuses me as to why people are alright with soldier killing other people - they don't get a life sentence or the death penalty, they're considered heroes - and then when some one kills themself or someone else outside of a war they are looked extremelly down upon, then they get a life sentence or the death penalty and in the eyes of the government that's ok.
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:55 pm
ron-and-mee It really confuses me as to why people are alright with soldier killing other people - they don't get a life sentence or the death penalty, they're considered heroes - and then when some one kills themself or someone else outside of a war they are looked extremelly down upon, then they get a life sentence or the death penalty and in the eyes of the government that's ok. With that second group of people who exactly are you talking about?
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:20 am
They should remove her tube. It has nothing to do with being mean, or not wanting someone to live. That woman has been dead for 15 years, and she's earned her rightful slumber. I know it's a nightmare for her family, but people die, and they'll come to terms with it.
As for cultures being fixated with death, I seriously doubt you can find one that doesn't have death as a main concern. We're humans, we die, and we don't want to.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:52 am
I will have to agree with Starlock's observation.
It is true that Christianity as a whole focuses more on getting into heaven than on life itself.
Too many Christians will live life according to perceived morals not because they want to, but because they want eternal life in heaven.
As a result, their existence becomes empty.
Now on topic:
I think that they should remove Terry Schiavo's feeding tube.
-Alezunde
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:23 pm
wolf-larsen ron-and-mee when some one someone else outside of a war they are looked extremelly down upon, then they get a life sentence or the death penalty and in the eyes of the government that's ok. With that second group of people who exactly are you talking about? In this case I'm talking about murders and how it's alright in the eye of the public to kill them.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:17 pm
There aren't universal wrongs on every occasion, or things can be "less" wrong if you want to think of it that way. What I mean is that under certain occasions, its ok to kill someone (like if they are breaking into your house and threatening your kids), etc. This is a distinction that the law makes for us. It's not that "killing" is wrong, it's that "killing without due cause" is.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:21 pm
ron-and-mee wolf-larsen ron-and-mee when some one someone else outside of a war they are looked extremelly down upon, then they get a life sentence or the death penalty and in the eyes of the government that's ok. With that second group of people who exactly are you talking about? In this case I'm talking about murders and how it's alright in the eye of the public to kill them. Alright then. Let me propose an experiment then. If I shot your kid, how would you feel. I realize this is crass and blunt but, oh well.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:10 pm
Ron-and-Me has a good point going here though. Many people do see it as acceptable to kill killers.
It shouldn't be.
It shouldn't EVER be.
It's this sort of thing that just creates a vicious cycle of killing and murder and revenge. Someone has to stop it. And it stops with the individual.
All it takes is one person to stand up and not give into the hate and the anger and the rage. All it takes is one person to embrace love and peace. All it takes is this... to save another life... and end one circle of killing. And if we all did this... if we all embraced peace and love instead of revenge and anger... where would we be? What would the world be like?
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 am
wolf-larsen Alright then. Let me propose an experiment then. If I shot your kid, how would you feel. I realize this is crass and blunt but, oh well. I wouldn't want them to be killed that's for sure.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:16 am
Starlock Ron-and-Me has a good point going here though. Many people do see it as acceptable to kill killers. It shouldn't be. It shouldn't EVER be. 1. What if the killer is still on a spree? What if he's in the mall shooting up a bunch of kids? Id it ok for someone to kill him then? 2. If the death row system were more efficient it would save us a lot of money. I don't like to spend money on murderers sitting around in prison. You murder someone, you should die as that is the ultimate price you can pay.
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