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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:24 pm
Speciesism involves assigning different values or rights to beings on the basis of their species. The term was coined by Richard D. Ryder in 1970 and is used to denote prejudice similar in kind to sexism and racism. The term has not entered everyday language.
The idea of speciesism is used mostly by advocates of animal rights, who believe that it is irrational or morally wrong.
Philosophers Tom Regan and Peter Singer have both criticized speciesism. Regan rejects it because it permits unjustified violations of animals' inherent rights; Singer, because it violates the principle of equal consideration of interests.
Speciesism can be defined as a prejudice against taking the interests of members of other species into equal consideration based on the idea that all members of one's own species are more valuable than all members of other species, no matter what characteristics individuals might possess.
Great Ape personhood is a related concept, in which the various attributes of the Great Apes are deemed by some people, to merit recognition of their sentience and personhood within the law, as opposed to mere protection under animal cruelty legislation. This would cover matters such as their own best interest being taken into account in their treatment by people.
Some religions are less speciesist than others. While animists may believe in the equality of all sentient beings, monotheists tend to believe that human beings are superior to other lifeforms by divine intention. The teachings of Jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism emphasizes ideals such as sarva jeeva sama bhava (सर्व जीव सम भाव), that is, "all sentient beings are equal", and are examples of religions that tilt towards being less speciesist, though the extent to which this is reflected in daily life in countries where those religions are influential depends on the local culture.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:32 pm
Are you going to give credit to the source you copied and pasted this from?
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:01 pm
I do believe he got this from wikipedia... confused SpeciesismIs there a discussion question, opinion or something besides this paragraph? Please give me something to work with here.
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 4:19 pm
I figured i would give a definition of speciesism for those who were unfamiliar with the concept....ive found on these and other forums that many foks beleive itsa not even a real word
"animal rights" are good and all but there need to be a basis for those rights (the capacity to have intrests). Speciesism is deeply ingrained in our society and thats why many peopkle can watch Meet Your Meat and go out and get a hamburger because they are speciesist....it shapes our society in the same way racism has and still does...so i guess my idea was to bring that idea into discussion (speciesism vs anti-speiciesism)
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:21 pm
Well in that case I can see how people may be against spesiesism for animal rights purposes. It is as real as any other word. It's just less familiar to many people because it probably is not much of an issue they care to recognize in their lives. This is what I think, All living creatures have a right to life on this planet and for the most part be left alone if they want nothing to do with humans. Humans are not superior we are just an animal with some unique abilities, just like any other creature, that help us thrive. I would absolutely hold myself a higher then that of another creature because not because of superiority but just because I like myself more razz . That does not mean I would not risk my life to save my pets, they are my family, which I care for. There are some animals I tend to care for much more then others. Mammals I most identify with, avis, reptiles, and fish not so much. Weird things like jellies, sponges, and stuff like that hardly at all. They all have their place on this earth though and without them humans would not even be here.
I see how it can shape society. In one culture it is perfectly normal to use a certain species of animal as a food but in another culture they can be seen as either unclean, sacred, or as a pet. Here a guineapig is not considered a meat but in other places they are raised just for that. It goes for just about any animal I suppose. Thats all I can write for today I am too tired to think/type about anything. seeya
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:12 pm
I think most people are blind to speciesism. They dont even think twice about how individual humans and society relate to non-human animals (and non-animal life and the entire plnet for that matter). Animal Liberation/Rights isnt about omnivourism vs veganism its about speiciesism vs anti-speiciesism...Its goes deeper than just a diet.
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:03 pm
That's probably the most basic form of hierarchical separation we have in our society, and it's also constantly reinforced by every other hierarchical separation which exists.
When people stop internalizing a class system, and stop talking down to children, and stop bashing the elderly, and stop thinking less of the mentally handicapped, and so forth...then it's time to start working on equalizing perceptions of other species.
Until then, I'm happy if I just get my neighbor to stop beating his dog.
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 8:13 pm
Just thought I'd play devil's advocate on this one...
If one is not speciesist, one would consider a human and, say, a canary, to be completely equal, and deserving of the same rights?
To what extent would this apply? Is my cat going to be allowed to vote? After all, he's either my equal or he isn't.
As lovely as this all sounds, I'd really appreciate it if you could elaborate on what exactly an anti-speciesist would hope to accomplish/see happen, in regards to animal rights?
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:33 pm
Ciel Avec Cafeine To what extent would this apply? Is my cat going to be allowed to vote? After all, he's either my equal or he isn't. I'm not involved in the animal rights movement, so I don't really know what the varying positions out there are, but I can at least articulate what I've assumed the primary stance to be. Social recognition of equality doesn't necessarily relate to political equality; for instance, a Canadian citizen in the US can't vote and a US citizen in Canada can't vote, because they aren't members of those particular political bodies. So while there are basic rights which are universal - you're still legally protected against theft and murder, for example - other things which we may consider a "right" are granted specifically by being a citizen. Most animals would probably have a recognized right to bodily integrity and some recognition of claims to property; certain populations or animal communities might have some form of governmental representation through human advocates. I'd imagine the idea is that governments would explicitly state what species could be members of its political body while taking animal interests into account. This would allow recognition of non-human governing groups, to the extent we could communicate with them; a country might hash out agreements with dolphin pods which spend time in local waters in the same way they currently might negotiate with a neighboring country.
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:17 pm
Ciel Avec Cafeine Just thought I'd play devil's advocate on this one... If one is not speciesist, one would consider a human and, say, a canary, to be completely equal, and deserving of the same rights? To what extent would this apply? Is my cat going to be allowed to vote? After all, he's either my equal or he isn't. As lovely as this all sounds, I'd really appreciate it if you could elaborate on what exactly an anti-speciesist would hope to accomplish/see happen, in regards to animal rights? No it means that you dont hold the interests of humans above that of canaries simply because they are not human. It means give equal consideration to interests. A cat dosent have the capacity to understand the signifigance of voting...same reason 4 year olds cant vote. But cats do have a capacity to feel pain and have an interest in not being in pain therefor it would be wrong to hold the interests of a human wanting to buy products tested on cats above the cat's interest of not being in pains simply because humans are a superior species.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:28 am
Soymilk_Gun simply because humans are a superior species. lollercoaster. Doesn't that make your argument self-refuting? Plants are all species, too. I choose to eat from the plant kingdom but not the animal kingdom on the grounds that the meat industry is horribly pollutive and excessively inhumane. Personal judgement call. Who am I to suggest that others limit their freedoms because I hold highly subjective beliefs? Most scientists seem to concur that primative humans lived primarily by hunting, not by foraging. This is why our teeth and digestive systems evolved in the way that they did. Of course, I'm referencing empiricist scientists, not the Earth First! whackjobs who spend all day manipulating numbers and suggesting presupposed crackpot theories. "The generally prescribed proportions of protein, fat, and carbohydrate are approximately 20-35%, 30-60%, and 20-35% respectively by calories. By calories the diet is commonly around 45-65% animal products and 35-55% plant products." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_dietAlso, many other animals eat *gasp* other animals! I'm sure that as someone who practices the duality of being a primitivist AND an animal, you can see that it's objectively irrelevent as to whether or not the ability to reason should influence dietary choices.
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:36 pm
-necro jolt-
speciesism is addressed in the first few minutes of earthlings i don't know if the movie was out back in 2006.
interesting and disturbing movie. prompted me from veg to vegan.
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