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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:04 am
My mom picked me up from a "date." It wasn't really a date because we're not officially going out yet, but it might as well have been. Anyway.
My mom, kinda out of nowhere, asks me how I can have a different sexuality. She's talking about how it's abnormal and all this other stuff and how she'll never understand me or my brother because it's so strange, and all this other stuff. "I wish you could go with a guy," she says. One time, a long time ago, she said, "why couldn't I just have normal children?!" She talks about it as if she thinks it's absolutely disgusting. But she never mentioned sacrilege before.
Then today, she was like, "When god created man, and man was lonely, he didn't create another man to keep him company. He created woman."
Touchee (pronounced two-shay)... but I'm Agnostic. So that didn't really fly with me.
It really hurts that she has so much trouble accepting me, and I wish she wouldn't bring it up. Fortunately, after I countered with my comment about my being agnostic, she promptly changed the subject.
It's times like this I don't want to talk to my mother. I don't want anything to do with her when she talks like that. I mean, it's not her choice. It's mine. She's not the one who has to go out with that person, you know?
I see I'm ranting and getting off track. I'll stop. *takes a deep breath and counts to ten*
But don't you feel this way? And why do they have to bring religion into the picture... especially when they know you don't care WHAT God did or said?
People would sometimes try to use quotes from the bible to prove god's existance. I was like... "But to me, the bible is just another fictional story book. Where is your substantiated proof?" but they just didn't get it.
pleh.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:24 am
Well, I have yet to come out to my parents, though, my mom wouldn't be too bad with it, she already has a gay sister, so... My dad on the other hand, well, I've been joking about it for years, and I'm thinking he caught on a while ago, however, I'm not to sure, but he would either use biblical backing, which I would shoot down, somehow, or prefer not to think about it.
On those who try to prove the god with the bible, well dogmatism is dogmatic that way, and not to mention, circular reasoning is fallacious that way as well. Also, that point that the bible says god is true, is easily countered with, something like, well, "Gandalf existed in LoTR, does that means he exists in this reality?"
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:13 am
yeah, but then they'll say, "the bible is the word of god, and the lotr was written by tolkein." But see, the bible is the word of man that he is writing the word of god. So what gives? Don't they see how stupid their arguments are?
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:52 am
LibidinalCatharsis yeah, but then they'll say, "the bible is the word of god, and the lotr was written by tolkein." But see, the bible is the word of man that he is writing the word of god. So what gives? Don't they see how stupid their arguments are? Well, like I said, dogmatism is dogmatic that way... and no, I don't think they understand how stupid that argument sounds.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:37 pm
LibidinalCatharsis yeah, but then they'll say, "the bible is the word of god, and the lotr was written by tolkein." But see, the bible is the word of man that he is writing the word of god. So what gives? Don't they see how stupid their arguments are? i've only spoken with one that does see the flaw there. that happens to be my dad. most seem to think it was written directly by god and handed to people by him, while its really just some peoples translations of what they were apparently told by god.
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:49 pm
Unfortunately, you run into a lot of that. Like CP said - dogmatism is dogmatic that way.
I'm lucky though, my mother would freak out if she knew (but only because she believes you can't know your sexuality until you're a legal adult), but my dad... well, he'd probably throw me a coming-out party xd
It's my sister who's bullheadedly religious, and she'd give me a hard time about it. Thus, why I don't come out to my family yet.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:19 am
Well, you gotta take a look at it from their point of view. To your parents, they can't imagine anyone NOT accepting the Bible, namely you. So when they quote the Bible, they think they're showing you your own hipocrisy. Even though you may not believe the Bible. Your best defence would be to find some quotes in the Bible to quote back at her. But you need to realize, your parents are obviously homophobic, and thinking that their own child is homosexual is hard for them. They think "Was it my fault?" "What did I do wrong?" Your parents are blaming themselves, even though its your decision, not theirs.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:05 pm
While I don't see the Bible as fictional, I do think that it contains human bias. It was written by humans, and while they may or maynot have been spiritually enlightened, they had they're own opinions. Just because paul swear up and down that God gave him all of his teachings, doesn't mean its true.
I can sympathize with you. My mom is horribly offened at people who are not Christian, which is why i haven't yet had the courage to tell her that I'm... well see I don't actually know, I'm semi Unitarian Universalist, but not really.... *sigh* Jehovah, Yaweh, Allah, Gitchi Manitou, Buddha or what ever you want to call him/her/it are all the same so it doesn't matter what name you give him/her/it.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:31 am
To people that believe that a universal morality applies to all of mankind, your beliefs are irrelevent. To people that didn't come to their conclusions by logic, logic is irrelevent.
You must find a way to tell her why you believe what you believe, because it's clear that she doesn't currently understand.
I do hate it when people bring religion into arguments though. There's a reason why it's called faith; you can't logically expect others to believe it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:00 am
My parents have stopped trying to use the bible for backing whenever they argue with me about something. For one, they know I'll say something sacreligious that will inevitably piss them off to the point of not thinking straight and thus giving me the upper hand and two, they are only reminded that I don't believe in it and therefore it doesn't apply to me.
I find it funny that my mom thinks my bro will be a priest for the sole reason that he hasn't found a girlfriend yet. He's only 15. The logic in my family scares me sometimes.
Though were I gay, I'm sure my mom would accept it and my dad (The less religious one) would be freaked out.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:31 am
Tigress Dawn I find it funny that my mom thinks my bro will be a priest for the sole reason that he hasn't found a girlfriend yet. He's only 15. The logic in my family scares me sometimes. xd I haven't found a girlfriend yet either, maybe I'll be a priest. eek If I were gay, I think my whole family would accept it with great ease. Heh, far as I know, when my sister found out she was bisexual and told the family, everyone was just like, "okay." Maybe I'm lucky...
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:41 pm
Captain Jack Sporky Well, you gotta take a look at it from their point of view. To your parents, they can't imagine anyone NOT accepting the Bible, namely you. So when they quote the Bible, they think they're showing you your own hipocrisy. Even though you may not believe the Bible. Your best defence would be to find some quotes in the Bible to quote back at her. Very good point here. I do this a lot. I am an Atheist, though some would say I'm a "New Ager" as I've heard the term, because I dabble in Pagan, Wiccan, and Modern Satanic beliefs. Despite that, I am currently attending Christian school, so I deal with this a lot. Quote stuff from the Gospels. Try Matthew 7:1-5 for starts. It's about not judging others. Jesus says all sorts of stuff like this in the gospels. It's the redeeming aspect of the religion. Finally, I have to say I envy you for coming out. I haven't come out to my family yet that I'm bi. Mostly an intimidation factor. I know they'd accept me, but I'm just scared.
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:58 am
Ok, I'm Catholic and I'm not even ok with people doing this. The idea that some people have about everyone believing the Bible is the word of the Lord even if they aren't Christian is ludicrous. I mean, I was Agnostic when I was younger, and you could quote scripture to me all day and I'd tell you to leave me alone or I'd report you for harrasment. I wish one of these people would explain to me how they managed to convince themselves that people will believe a book they consider to be the Word of G-d, when the person they're preaching to considers it nothing more than a fairytale?
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:17 pm
Yea, I can see why you'd have a hard time with that. Some people just don't get it. I'm Christian and all but forcing beliefs on others is wrong. Tell your mom that if she's so strict on the Bible that she should love and accept you cuz you are her child. A child is a gift from God (least in the Bible) so she should make note of that if she really believes as much as you make her out to be. But also take into consideration she probably really does believe you'll go to hell for your actions and what she's doing is trying to show you her love for you. Just remind her that forcing you isn't gonna help matters any and that if she really believes what she preaches that she'll accept you as her child, "normal" or not cuz you are a gift to her. Good luck!
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