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 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:11 pm
You didn't make it, Unborn Child.
They wouldn't let you be.
To your bud of life, they took a knife.
It's the "New Morality."
They didn't mean to hurt you, Love!
You have to understand.
Forgive them for what they did.
Their life was so well-planned.
They couldn't take you with them
up the ladder of success.
Money meant more to them
than a child, heaven-blessed.
Tell me little Unborn Child,
what did the Creator say?
Did He wrap you in His love,
and wipe your tears away?
You hover on the edge of time.
I see your faceless form,
You laugh whenever childern play,
Oh God, for you I mourn!
He sent His only Precious Son
to teach us all "The Way"
Still we kill the unborn ones
It happens everyday!
You didn't make it, Unborn Child.
They wouldn't let you be.
They just expelled a blob of cells.
Its the "New Morality."
-Author Unknown
Hello. I am new to this guild. Being apart of the Roman Catholic Church I have been taught about abortion. One of the ways we can help stop abortion is educate people about sex and the causes and effects of becoming pregnant.
I sometimes go to the Abortion debate in the ED. And people have asked me before "Why shouldn't the babies go to the best place one ever hopes to go to? Heaven?" I know my opinion on this, but out of curiousity, what is yours?
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:28 pm
Unfortunately, I'm a Theist. That means that I believe in an almighty power, but I have no religion. So yeah. Heaven and Hell are just things that are fun to talk about to me. Personally, I have no clue what happens to souls. Do they just float around? Go someplace? Eh. No clue.
As for an unborn child... hmm... probably purgatory, or back into the mold. I feel that the soul grows with a child - absorbing experiences, pain, doubt, fear, happiness, joy, sorrow, excitement, surprise... every feeling that the child experiences it gets. An unborn child, however, wouldn't really feel those emotions, much less experiences. So they're basically still an "empty soul". ((scratches his head)) I dunno. Like I said, I don't have a religion, so this is kind of an awkward subject for me. O_o;;
Would be nice if they did go to Heaven, eh? ... personally, I think Heaven sounds boring. Just sitting around, no earthly pleasures (sight, taste, smell, etc.) and such... blargh. So basically float around and just... float. Yippee. Heaven sounds so appealing. O_o;;
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:46 pm
Rogue Of Time Unfortunately, I'm a Theist. That means that I believe in an almighty power, but I have no religion. So yeah. Heaven and Hell are just things that are fun to talk about to me. Personally, I have no clue what happens to souls. Do they just float around? Go someplace? Eh. No clue. As for an unborn child... hmm... probably purgatory, or back into the mold. I feel that the soul grows with a child - absorbing experiences, pain, doubt, fear, happiness, joy, sorrow, excitement, surprise... every feeling that the child experiences it gets. An unborn child, however, wouldn't really feel those emotions, much less experiences. So they're basically still an "empty soul". ((scratches his head)) I dunno. Like I said, I don't have a religion, so this is kind of an awkward subject for me. O_o;; Would be nice if they did go to Heaven, eh? ... personally, I think Heaven sounds boring. Just sitting around, no earthly pleasures (sight, taste, smell, etc.) and such... blargh. So basically float around and just... float. Yippee. Heaven sounds so appealing. O_o;; I think aborted babies go straight to Heaven, personally. They don't really have a chance to accumulate sins, so all they have is Original Sin. So either they spend some time in purgatory for that, and then on to Heaven, or straight to heaven. And I've also had the same thoughts about how boring Heaven sounds. However, like Myumi, I'm Roman Catholic, and it sounds a lot better then Hell. whee
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:55 pm
I.Am Rogue Of Time Unfortunately, I'm a Theist. That means that I believe in an almighty power, but I have no religion. So yeah. Heaven and Hell are just things that are fun to talk about to me. Personally, I have no clue what happens to souls. Do they just float around? Go someplace? Eh. No clue. As for an unborn child... hmm... probably purgatory, or back into the mold. I feel that the soul grows with a child - absorbing experiences, pain, doubt, fear, happiness, joy, sorrow, excitement, surprise... every feeling that the child experiences it gets. An unborn child, however, wouldn't really feel those emotions, much less experiences. So they're basically still an "empty soul". ((scratches his head)) I dunno. Like I said, I don't have a religion, so this is kind of an awkward subject for me. O_o;; Would be nice if they did go to Heaven, eh? ... personally, I think Heaven sounds boring. Just sitting around, no earthly pleasures (sight, taste, smell, etc.) and such... blargh. So basically float around and just... float. Yippee. Heaven sounds so appealing. O_o;; I think aborted babies go straight to Heaven, personally. They don't really have a chance to accumulate sins, so all they have is Original Sin. So either they spend some time in purgatory for that, and then on to Heaven, or straight to heaven. And I've also had the same thoughts about how boring Heaven sounds. However, like Myumi, I'm Roman Catholic, and it sounds a lot better then Hell. whee
I could be totally off here. I'm actually basing this off of 'Angel' and the legend of Bruja xd
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:59 pm
No, Original Sin comes with the soul I'm pretty sure. I could be wrong, but based against an episode of "Angel" I'm pretty confident. whee
Nothing against Angel, of course.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:42 pm
I.Am No, Original Sin comes with the soul I'm pretty sure. I could be wrong, but based against an episode of "Angel" I'm pretty confident. whee Nothing against Angel, of course.
I don't know Christian myths all that well however... well they're not myths to you but you know what I mean. xp
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:58 am
I.Am I think aborted babies go straight to Heaven, personally. They don't really have a chance to accumulate sins, so all they have is Original Sin. So either they spend some time in purgatory for that, and then on to Heaven, or straight to heaven. And I've also had the same thoughts about how boring Heaven sounds. However, like Myumi, I'm Roman Catholic, and it sounds a lot better then Hell. whee It's all relative isn't it? Heaven only sounds good because of how bad Hell sounds. Some of us don't see Heaven as fascinating because we enjoy what's offered to us here on Earth. So I guess that if Heaven and Earth were unheard of Hell wouldn't seem that bad would it?
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:04 am
Theallpowerfull I.Am I think aborted babies go straight to Heaven, personally. They don't really have a chance to accumulate sins, so all they have is Original Sin. So either they spend some time in purgatory for that, and then on to Heaven, or straight to heaven. And I've also had the same thoughts about how boring Heaven sounds. However, like Myumi, I'm Roman Catholic, and it sounds a lot better then Hell. whee It's all relative isn't it? Heaven only sounds good because of how bad Hell sounds. Some of us don't see Heaven as fascinating because we enjoy what's offered to us here on Earth. So I guess that if Heaven and Earth were unheard of Hell wouldn't seem that bad would it? Well....trueish, but hey, heaven sounds great to me. Hell sounds like hell because it's Godless. it's the realm of people who have rejected the good and embraced the bad. I dunno how welll I'd do there. Now it goes, born with original sin, quoted....I think...my mom said they go to limbo, but I don't think so. They're given souls that have done no wrong other than existing. They are casualties of the war of good and evil. Erm...I definitely believe in good and evil, y'all need to understand that, abortion is evil. it lacks any good whatsoever. I wouldn't call peaople who don't believe what I do evil, or A lot of people in here would be called evil.....but abortion is evil, no question about it, it is taking an innocent life for the wants of a woman. I will answer this about heaven. A big part of the soul's journey is earth. It is the human condition, it is human experiences, being able to sin and chooosing to sin or not. Babies have no chance at this. Their souls, while being put through a more agonizing death than many, have not experienced humanity. How can they be completely at peace with humans, with humanity, when humans killed them before they had a chance? They never get to know the good side of humans. They never know human love, which is no match for God's love but is unique in that humans are fallible and they can love. Humans have prejudices and biiases and can love. It isn't always unconditional, but humans can love and if you never experience anything but human hatred, you're cheated out of something eternally, the gift of human love. YOu will never, ever have a chance to have it again, save for thoseon eath who mourn your death, but with most fetuses, people on earth don't know. only the mother and father know, maybe grandparents. And the doctors who did the killing. No one to care, no one to love them. How can anyone with compassion wish that eternal fate, should they believe in eternal souls, on anyone? It's so sad.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:19 am
Hmm. I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church teaches that the soul comes at conception, and that that's the reason the fetus is considered alive in the same sense as all the rest of us are alive...
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:49 am
I.Am Hmm. I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church teaches that the soul comes at conception, and that that's the reason the fetus is considered alive in the same sense as all the rest of us are alive...
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:42 am
toxic_lollipop I.Am Hmm. I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church teaches that the soul comes at conception, and that that's the reason the fetus is considered alive in the same sense as all the rest of us are alive... I talked to my mom...pre-vatican II, and she said they go to limbo. At first I was sad and then she explained it's like purgatory except without the pain. Limbo is just waiting. So she said. She said suicidals go there too. I dunno. lol. I"m just geerally upset today which isn't goood I'm gonna make the lyme flare up I know it but the terri schiavo set me over the edge.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:20 pm
Myumi You didn't make it, Unborn Child. They wouldn't let you be. To your bud of life, they took a knife. It's the "New Morality." They didn't mean to hurt you, Love! You have to understand. Forgive them for what they did. Their life was so well-planned. They couldn't take you with them up the ladder of success. Money meant more to them than a child, heaven-blessed. Tell me little Unborn Child, what did the Creator say? Did He wrap you in His love, and wipe your tears away? You hover on the edge of time. I see your faceless form, You laugh whenever childern play, Oh God, for you I mourn! He sent His only Precious Son to teach us all "The Way" Still we kill the unborn ones It happens everyday! You didn't make it, Unborn Child. They wouldn't let you be. They just expelled a blob of cells. Its the "New Morality." -Author Unknown Hello. I am new to this guild. Being apart of the Roman Catholic Church I have been taught about abortion. One of the ways we can help stop abortion is educate people about sex and the causes and effects of becoming pregnant. I sometimes go to the Abortion debate in the ED. And people have asked me before "Why shouldn't the babies go to the best place one ever hopes to go to? Heaven?" I know my opinion on this, but out of curiousity, what is yours? actually, sadly we believe that you can not go to heaven unless you have been baptized. These unborn babies have not been baptized, so, in the Roman Catholic Curch, we believe that these childern are unable to go to heaven. Unless of course, God makes an exception for these babies. But as far as we have been taught these babies will never have the chance to get to heaven.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:25 pm
lymelady toxic_lollipop I.Am Hmm. I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church teaches that the soul comes at conception, and that that's the reason the fetus is considered alive in the same sense as all the rest of us are alive... I talked to my mom...pre-vatican II, and she said they go to limbo. At first I was sad and then she explained it's like purgatory except without the pain. Limbo is just waiting. So she said. She said suicidals go there too. I dunno. lol. I"m just geerally upset today which isn't goood I'm gonna make the lyme flare up I know it but the terri schiavo set me over the edge. well suicide is a pretty bad sin so I would assume that they would go to hell but I am not exactly sure
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:40 pm
Angel_at_Heart lymelady toxic_lollipop I.Am Hmm. I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church teaches that the soul comes at conception, and that that's the reason the fetus is considered alive in the same sense as all the rest of us are alive... I talked to my mom...pre-vatican II, and she said they go to limbo. At first I was sad and then she explained it's like purgatory except without the pain. Limbo is just waiting. So she said. She said suicidals go there too. I dunno. lol. I"m just geerally upset today which isn't goood I'm gonna make the lyme flare up I know it but the terri schiavo set me over the edge. well suicide is a pretty bad sin so I would assume that they would go to hell but I am not exactly sure I know this is getting a little off the topic but, in order for a person to commit a mortal sin (the kind that send you straight to hell if you die), you have to have grave matter (taking a life), understand that what you are doing is a mortal sin, and be in a competant state of mind. It can be argued that most suicides don't meet the last criteria, and therefore we leave them in the hands of God, trusting in his mercy. The same is basically true of aborted children. The Church makes no absolute determination of where the baby's soul goes. She just trusts in the mercy and goodness of God. I can find the Catechism references for these statements if any of you want them.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:18 pm
kyrillandra Angel_at_Heart lymelady toxic_lollipop I.Am Hmm. I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church teaches that the soul comes at conception, and that that's the reason the fetus is considered alive in the same sense as all the rest of us are alive... I talked to my mom...pre-vatican II, and she said they go to limbo. At first I was sad and then she explained it's like purgatory except without the pain. Limbo is just waiting. So she said. She said suicidals go there too. I dunno. lol. I"m just geerally upset today which isn't goood I'm gonna make the lyme flare up I know it but the terri schiavo set me over the edge. well suicide is a pretty bad sin so I would assume that they would go to hell but I am not exactly sure yes I would like to hear them. and tell me where to find them. I know this is getting a little off the topic but, in order for a person to commit a mortal sin (the kind that send you straight to hell if you die), you have to have grave matter (taking a life), understand that what you are doing is a mortal sin, and be in a competant state of mind. It can be argued that most suicides don't meet the last criteria, and therefore we leave them in the hands of God, trusting in his mercy. The same is basically true of aborted children. The Church makes no absolute determination of where the baby's soul goes. She just trusts in the mercy and goodness of God. I can find the Catechism references for these statements if any of you want them. please do and tell me exactly where to find them
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