|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:01 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:30 am
Not this again.
Did you lose sleep over it? neutral
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 12:06 pm
I agree.
I think its gross.
But thats me.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 12:51 pm
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:44 pm
Yes and no =)
Dissecting can be advantageous, same as using lab rats, which I would suspect you are against also?
It can help to teach about what animals look like on the inside, and makes it also easier to locate organs and things. Models can't be perfectly scalar, and are all too perfect, which animals aren't.
Lab rats also help to diagnose a lot of stuff, when you can't give things to humans because they will die. Etc. Etc.
It's not nice, but I'm definitely against cruelty to animals and animal testing. But it's the same as eating an animal; it's advantageous to us and as long as they are not becoming extinct, it's almost like the food chain.
Not meaning to sound horrible or anything, but I'm kind of a sciency person and I can see how come people would be against dissection and stuff. I think it isn't the nicest when they force us to dissect pig fetus, etc., but a worm doesn't bother me that much.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:46 pm
I'm not okay with terrible cruelty to animals, but there's definitely exceptions.
I mean, some people take animal "cruelty" too far, like those who refuse to eat ANY meat, dairy, or ANYTHING that pertains to an animal. It's their life, and they have the right to do it, but to criticize others for taking part in the FOOD CHAIN is pretty damn ignorant.
But I can totally understand your point, Cool-Cool. But...wouldn't you rather kids be learning anatomy hands-on, rather than having a doctor 10 years from now that has no idea how to operate on you?
surprised
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:55 pm
I've never had to disect anything. (thank god)
but I've never really seen the point of having people do it in school and stuff.
Unless you're specifically going into a medical profession.
Med students cutting up cadavers - ok in my book.
High school kids disecting frogs/pigs/etc. - not necessary.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:57 pm
Otanchin I've never had to disect anything. (thank god) but I've never really seen the point of having people do it in school and stuff. Unless you're specifically going into a medical profession. Med students cutting up cadavers - ok in my book. High school kids disecting frogs/pigs/etc. - not necessary. True dat. All of dat. Every line. cool
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 3:37 pm
Spamster I'm not okay with terrible cruelty to animals, but there's definitely exceptions. I mean, some people take animal "cruelty" too far, like those who refuse to eat ANY meat, dairy, or ANYTHING that pertains to an animal. It's their life, and they have the right to do it, but to criticize others for taking part in the FOOD CHAIN is pretty damn ignorant. But I can totally understand your point, Cool-Cool. But...wouldn't you rather kids be learning anatomy hands-on, rather than having a doctor 10 years from now that has no idea how to operate on you? surprised I'm with Spam. I think testing on animals for shampoo is horrible and unethical. But, to disect animals so we can comprehend what Darwin and other famous scientists deduce and theorize is perfectly fine and maybe needed. Besides, if it's not that certain frog it'll be another.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:15 pm
ILuvSesshy06 Not this again.
Did you lose sleep over it? neutral
Candy and Missing: Yes, very gross. domokun
Twist: I understand about the advantages of disection, yes, but like, don't you think it's unneccesary to fiddle around with a dead animal's body's for "research"? I mean, how technology has developed and whatnot, hundreds of images online, bright shiny, colored pictures in text books, why? It seems like such a waste. Why can't the dead just rest? All the research on frogs has been done for years. What's more to see? How far a 16 year old's finger can go up it's stomach? D: D: D:
Spammy: Yeah, I dislike hard core veggies who try to impose their diets on each others. D: I like my animal fat, and I like it gooooooood. XD I agree with you. But I highly doubt high school teenagers have really decided that they want to work in the field of Anatomy. I think disection, if anything, should be left to college students.
Otan: True dat, double true. <3
Xeroxer: D: But that's what books are for.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:21 pm
Spammy// That's what I meant in smaller words xD
Cool// It's kinda like the human genome project I guess. People discover new things every day about the world and a lot of things are directly related to animals and stuff. We can never really find out everything about something, but the more we know the more we can help to save the others.
We had a lecture yesterday about domoic acid by a university professor, and it had occured in 1987 where many mussels from PEI were sent to quebec that were contaminated. 150 people got sick, three died, and many suffered neurological problems. By taking several of the infected mussels, and uninfected mussels as references, they were able to identify the problem and create an antidote for it. Smaller scale mussels, but still an example.
Also, a lot of kids that go into biology are planning on going into medical related, etc. And in my school, the only dissections done are in biology and are all very minimal, usually with just the teacher demonstration, or one for every two kids. We only dissected worms and crayfish this year. Nono froggehss =)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:14 pm
xxtwist3dxx Spammy// That's what I meant in smaller words xD
Cool// It's kinda like the human genome project I guess. People discover new things every day about the world and a lot of things are directly related to animals and stuff. We can never really find out everything about something, but the more we know the more we can help to save the others.
We had a lecture yesterday about domoic acid by a university professor, and it had occured in 1987 where many mussels from PEI were sent to quebec that were contaminated. 150 people got sick, three died, and many suffered neurological problems. By taking several of the infected mussels, and uninfected mussels as references, they were able to identify the problem and create an antidote for it. Smaller scale mussels, but still an example.
Also, a lot of kids that go into biology are planning on going into medical related, etc. And in my school, the only dissections done are in biology and are all very minimal, usually with just the teacher demonstration, or one for every two kids. We only dissected worms and crayfish this year. Nono froggehss =)
Killer Mussels, eh? Sounds horrible. D:
Well, in my school, the kids who take biology are 14-16. It's a required science class in many schools, it's not an elective or anything. And since there's about 400 or so students who take Biology in my school, about 200 frogs and 200 worms were dissected this week. :
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:17 pm
I also disapprove of animal cruelty and testing. >
However, I /have/ dissected things ever since 5th grade. We dissected cow's eye, lamb's heart, looonng icky night crawlers, and.. >> yeah.
Anatomy is something interesting to me; oral surgery is intriguing.
Dissection allows scientists to make accurate observations and apply that to the technology, which not as accurate as they can't contribute more observations than the actual dissection.
The dissection lab in biology at high school though.. I see it unneccessary.. It IS part of biology; to understand the body.. but one doesn't need to dissect to pass the class. Coolness is right; all the research on frogs has been done for years. They are already in the books and we could just learn about frogs from that.
I don't mind dissecting though. I've worked with the knife (dissecting and food/meat preparation, etc) for a while and I've grown null to working with dead things. I don't think the dead need their physical body to rest in peace so that explains my attitude, but I respect everyone else's opinions and beliefs.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:03 pm
lnconnu- I also disapprove of animal cruelty and testing. >
However, I /have/ dissected things ever since 5th grade. We dissected cow's eye, lamb's heart, looonng icky night crawlers, and.. >> yeah.
Anatomy is something interesting to me; oral surgery is intriguing.
Dissection allows scientists to make accurate observations and apply that to the technology, which not as accurate as they can't contribute more observations than the actual dissection.
The dissection lab in biology at high school though.. I see it unneccessary.. It IS part of biology; to understand the body.. but one doesn't need to dissect to pass the class. Coolness is right; all the research on frogs has been done for years. They are already in the books and we could just learn about frogs from that.
I don't mind dissecting though. I've worked with the knife (dissecting and food/meat preparation, etc) for a while and I've grown null to working with dead things. I don't think the dead need their physical body to rest in peace so that explains my attitude, but I respect everyone else's opinions and beliefs.
... Some a** hole stole a frog... and he burried it in an ant pile. I saw it and I literally freaked out. crying
Oh, and thanks for respecting my opinions, y'all. If I told my school friends this, they'd probably just call me a animal lovin', tree huggin' hippee... DX
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:06 pm
Nawwwawaww -hugs freshness- xD As long as you respect my opinion I respect yours. People has their own opinions, right, you animal lovin', tree huggin' hippeee? ;D
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reply
