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Jenannen
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:28 pm


Okay, I finally got the toddler down for a nap, and the baby thinks it's time to be awake. I haven't been able to get the two of them to take naps at the same time since I got home.
Like yesterday, the toddler was on the couch just about asleep when I got the baby to sleep and so the toddler decided to get up. I was so tired and so frustrated!
There are things about the second time around that are easier; like I don't freak out about every little cough and sneeze, but I'm feeling torn, I can't be with both children at once. While the two year old is doing better than I thought she would with her new little sister it's still been hard on her that I can't put the baby down when I'm nursing and go get her a cup of milk.

Any tips for helping the toddler adjust to the new addition?
Tips for helping Mommy feel less torn... and less inadequate?
PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:29 am


I really wish that I new some awesome tips that would make everything better! But, I'm kinda in the same boat.

Victoria is 6 and she helps me out a lot. While she can't exactly reach the glasses to give Galatea (who is 2) a glass of milk, she does help me by fetching small things and keeping an eye on Galatea for me.

I feel guilty and sometimes even helpless when I'm alone with all three children (or even just the youngest 2) and I'm feeding the baby. I'm practically stuck to that seat I'm in, so it's difficult to keep track of the other kid(s) without a bit of help. As much as Torri can help out, she also has some severe behavior problems. So when she goes off, she REALLY goes off and suddenly things get a lot worse.

The only advice I can give you is for your own sanity. When it gets really bad, try to confine the older one in their room and take it easy. Boy! Do I EVER need to do that and take a break once in a while! sweatdrop

I probably have it a lot easier than you do, though! We have an uncle who lives with us and he helps me out with the kids on occasion as well.

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Jenannen
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:48 pm


As I said, all in all the toddler is doing better than I thought that she would, but it's hard. I didn't realize that I'd feel kinda torn between the kids. Not that I like one better than the other or anything like that, just... Well when Hubby and I had our first baby he could take care of himself and I was able to kinda focus on taking care of the baby, but now I have two children that I need to take care of and I still have laundry and dishes and things like that to keep up on.
Things are getting a little better, the toddler is learning that the baby's here to stay, and I think she knows that Mommy still loves HER and wants to take care of her. She's starting to figure out that Mommy does what she can when she can.
If I really need a break Hubby can take the toddler out to my Mom's before he leaves for work, and my father-in-law lives about 5 houses away. The problem being that Hubby works nights, and my father-in-law goes to bed between 9 and 10pm so that's the latest the toddler can stay there, then I have her until he gets home (sometime after 2am). My mom will let the toddler stay there until Hubby can pick her up after work, but it's not fair to put my mom on that schedule too often...
PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 2:40 pm


Is your toddler much of a problem at night, though? I would think that's more of a peaceful time than most.

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Yvaine
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 6:41 pm


Good luck with getting into the groove, sweetheart. I'm gearing up for that one myself, and I can only hope it goes well. On the plus side, currently Lucien is very quiet and intelligent, can play by himself for hours at a stretch, and is always up for a good movie like Star Wars or Toy Story. This week he even finally started telling me when he has to go potty.

On the negative side, as I've gotten more tired and need to spend time sitting down, resting, sorting through baby clothes, and sometimes tottering to the bathroom to vomit, the little guy has gotten noticeably more needy. He's sweet about it, but...I'm not sure how bad it's going to get once baby #2 shows up. He's still firmly in the camp that he doesn't actually *want* a sibling, although he seems resigned to the fact that he doesn't get a choice on that score.

Any input from kasumi_ocada or another experienced mom on the possibility of letting a three-year-old sit on my lap and read with me while I nurse the baby? I expect that to be a big bone of contention otherwise.

PS: I am absolutely in love with the name Galatea. Not one of the ones I thought of putting on my list, but I think that's just because I didn't think of it. Great name!
PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:33 pm


kasumi_ocada: If she's been able to get out and run around she's a bit quieter in the evening, however if she's here and been cooped up all day she's got a lot of extra energy in the evening and she'll run around the house.

Yvaine: That's the way my toddler was before the baby. She'd play for hours on her own, and she still likes movies, but now that Mommy's giving someone else her attention... sweatdrop
I'm just glad that she hasn't tried to hurt the baby or anything. I don't think that it helps matters for the toddler that Mommy and Daddy have both been stressed about the situation... Mommy's not doing so great with the "night" feedings, and Daddy's been worried about finances. The toddler (for good or bad) is very sensitive about our moods--especially Mommy's.

I have read to the toddler sometimes when I'm nursing. She'll bring in a book, and she'll sit next to me and turn the pages for me. That's if I'm nursing cradle position... Sometimes when I'm nursing sideline she'll come and just "snuggle" with my legs. Something that oddly enough she liked to do before the baby even came; after I weaned her she didn't want to snuggle with me, but she would snuggle my legs. In some ways it works out well.

Jenannen
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SirKirbance
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:23 pm


It think it helps that the older child likes to feel involved with the baby, and included in the new family activities that involve baby. The other day she was "helping" me put my socks away when she flung one sock over her shoulder and said, "I am going to burp you." Naturally I was amused, both by the fact that a two year old wanted to burp me, and with a sock to boot." blaugh That might not have anything to do with anything but sure was cute. Also, I often like to help the older daughter make comparisons between herself and the new baby, with equal emphasis on both of course. For example I ask her "who wears little diapers?" and she says "baby!" Then I ask who wears BIG diapers? "And she says "ME!" She likes that. Am I even on the topic? sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2006 10:26 am


Yup, reading to my older ones can help calm them down. The only problem I have is sometimes I feel crowded when all three of them want to be next to me at the same time.

Sometimes we watch movies, too. One of our favorites is "My Neighbor Totoro" the older two love it. Galatea will sit in awe at it while Torri piles question after question on me because as it's an anime, it contains a lot of japanese customs that she doesn't understand. So, it's also a kind of culture lesson, too! 4laugh

Oh, and Yvaine Thanks! I fell in love with the name Galatea when I first saw it. Most people really mispronounce it, though, so I see her having a few problems when she gets into school! xd

On a related note - if my youngest (Sakura) would have been a boy, we were going to name her Lucciola. But a lot of people thought it was too feminine for me to name a boy. Lucien is a more masculine name that sounds a little similar. I like it! biggrin

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Jenannen
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:10 pm


No Fair! Dealing with Toddler Jealousy

An article from iParenting Media
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By Alex Powell



When Cindy Vance gave birth to her second child last September, she felt confident that her oldest would be fine with his new baby brother. Holton, then 3 years old, was a secure and well-adjusted child, and Vance, who directs a Montessori preschool in West Monroe, La., had spent plenty of time preparing him for the baby's arrival.

About a week after baby Aubrey came home from the hospital, her perceptions changed. Holton developed a raging case of sibling rivalry. "He was very verbal about it," says Vance. "He would tell us, many times, 'Let's just send him back to God. Let's give him back.' It was pitiful."

Jealousy worries parents. When a toddler is having trouble adjusting to a younger sibling, it's common to wonder if you've done something wrong. But that's not the case, says Dr. Sybil Hart, professor of human development and family studies, associate dean of research of the College of Human Sciences at Texas Tech University and author of Preventing Sibling Rivalry: Six Strategies to Build a Jealousy-Free Home (Free Press, 2001).

"Parents shouldn't feel guilty if their child feels jealous or if they see it in their child," says Dr. Hart. "Jealousy is a normal trait, not a character flaw, and we just have to figure out a way to handle it so it doesn't cause any harm."

Relax, It's Totally Normal
While it's commonly believed that secure children won't be as jealous of their siblings, the reverse may be true. Children who have been well nurtured have very high expectations of their parents. "[Jealousy in] a very young child really just means that they are attached and they are telling you how they feel [about having to share you with another child]," says Dr. Hart.

It's also reassuring to understand that bringing a younger sibling into the picture doesn't "cause" jealousy. The ability to feel jealousy is a gradual developmental process. Babies are loved and nurtured, and they develop certain expectations about the care they are going to receive. When a sibling enters the picture, jealousy is often unmasked for the first time, but the potential to become jealous has been there for a while.

Does sibling rivalry mean you haven't properly prepared your child for a younger brother or sister? No, says Dr. Hart. In fact, it may be almost impossible to truly prepare a young child for the birth of a new sibling.

Toddlers have a very simple understanding of words, says Dr. Hart, and words for emotions are very abstract to them. "Certain emotions, like happy and sad, can be linked with a facial expression," she says. "But a complex feeling like jealousy is very, very difficult for a child to actually understand. So while the 2- and 3-year-old is capable of feeling jealousy, he probably isn't capable of articulating what it feels like or able to understand when parents discuss it."

And at its core, jealousy "is about changes in one's status in a relationship," says Dr. Hart. While it is important to try to keep the disruption in the toddler's life to a minimum and make changes well in advance, no amount of planning will change the fact that your toddler is no longer the only baby in the house.

Not Too Close for Comfort
My own son had just turned 2 years old when we had twin girls. Life was turned upside down, and on the many nights when I found myself feeding two infants with one hand and reading a board book to a toddler with the other, I often wondered if wider spacing would have been a better idea.

But in the long run, having children close together may cause fewer jealousy issues than spacing births far apart. Closely spaced children are more likely to become friends and playmates, simply because they have more in common than siblings spaced wide apart. In some cases, "the biggest incentive that an older child has not to clobber the baby is that if he does, he won't have anybody to play with!" says Dr. Hart.

More notably, when siblings are close in age, the care they receive from parents is often similar, and to a small child, that can make it appear more fair. "Twins, as I understand it, really have some tremendous advantages," says Dr. Hart. "Here you have two children who are the same age. They go to bed at the same time, they eat ice cream with the same number of scoops and usually one isn't much bigger than the other. It's very easy to treat them the same, and that makes it appear more equitable."

Finally, keep in mind that young children express themselves very differently than older kids or adults. When measuring jealousy in adults, we tend to judge actions, not thoughts or feelings. But for a small child, his actions are his feelings.

Brooke Hadley, a mom from Austin, Texas, thought she had "created a monster" when her oldest child, then a 2-year-old, began hitting, pushing and kicking his 6-month-old brother. "We learned that Skylar was mad at Drew for getting into his trains in his room, and he didn't have the words to express his anger," says Hadley. The behavior resolved once Hadley was able to reassure her child that she would help protect his toys from the baby. "I told him, 'It hurts the baby very badly when you hit. From now on, when he gets your trains, yell for help, and I'll help you.'"

How to Deal
Keeping the home environment non-competitive may help prevent some sibling rivalry, especially as your younger child grows, says Dr. Hart. When buying toys for kids spaced close in age, it's often a good idea to have some sets of very similar toys. "You don't even have to buy toys," says Dr. Hart. "Just take out 14 margarine containers that are identical. Toddlers will still take them from each other, but it is much more playful."

And you don't have to feel like you're cheating by doing this, adds Dr. Hart. "[If you send your kids to the sandbox with the exact same toys], don't tell yourself 'I should've brought one blue one and one green one and made them share,'" she says. "They'll learn sharing somewhere along the way, and you don't have to try to do that with a 3-year-old and a 1-year-old. It's more difficult than it needs to be."

Six months after becoming a big brother, Vance's oldest son is warming up to the baby. "Partly, I think, because he has adjusted to the fact that Aubrey is just a fixture in the family now and partly because Aubrey can do more," says Vance. "He can sit up, he can interact. Holton still has his rough spots, but he's doing much better!"

http://www.huggieshappybaby.com/info/bow/article.aspx?article_id=1445
PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:19 pm


Thanks for the advice, you guys - and especially for finding an article to post, Jenannen! I know how busy you are at the moment. sweatdrop

Mostly I think I'm just worried about how sneaky Lu's going to get. He's pretty smart for his age. Thankfully, based on what I've seen with fights between cousins, he tends to just go with whatever the other kid is doing to get the drop on him. In my nephew Aidan's case (1yo), he tries to push him out of Grandmom's arms and cries until either he gets distracted or he gets picked up too (Aidan returns the favor if Lu gets there first). In my niece Scarlett's case (now 2yo, and aptly named), he hits her over the head with books. At least, when he thinks nobody's looking. So far, nothing homicidal.

Yvaine
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Jenannen
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:15 pm


Yvaine
Thanks for the advice, you guys - and especially for finding an article to post, Jenannen! I know how busy you are at the moment. sweatdrop

The article I posted there I just copied and pasted from one of the articles I receive in my email. I subscribed to the huggies parents news letters. Not all the articles are relevant/helpful, but since it's just a weekly news letter I can look at the article topics then see if there's anything that I want to skim or read.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:45 pm


You have no idea how happy I am that my children have grown up. Finally! I can have a decent conversation with them without having to feel like I'm talking to an alien.
I've got twin girls that are both 15 { Jenna and Catherine } and my youngest, a 12 year old boy { Darien }. I can't help feeling that I'm more of the taxi cab and house maid more than anything. The girls go to tennis practice during the week, Darien does karate on Monday and Wed., I go to the gym while their out, my husband works late so there's little more than sympathy from him. I constantly feel tired!
So this is my question: Where in the dickens does he get off telling me that we should have another one?  

Ocean Momma


Jenannen
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:38 pm


My girls are 3 years, and 6 months, so I don't know how it feels to have them grown up, but I do know that the decision to have them was one that Hubby and I had to agree on.

It's not my place to say that you and your husband should or should not have another chlid, but what I would suggest is that you sit down and talk about it with him. Find out why he wants another child and tell him your reasons for not wanting another child. Maybe suggest that if he's serious about having another child that he helps out with the children.

I think that no matter how old or young your children are being tired just seems to be part of motherhood. There may be mothers out there who aren't often tired, but I don't know any of them.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:44 pm


Ocean Momma
You have no idea how happy I am that my children have grown up. Finally! I can have a decent conversation with them without having to feel like I'm talking to an alien.
I've got twin girls that are both 15 { Jenna and Catherine } and my youngest, a 12 year old boy { Darien }. I can't help feeling that I'm more of the taxi cab and house maid more than anything. The girls go to tennis practice during the week, Darien does karate on Monday and Wed., I go to the gym while their out, my husband works late so there's little more than sympathy from him. I constantly feel tired!
So this is my question: Where in the dickens does he get off telling me that we should have another one?


I think Jen is right. You don't know what his motivation is. It is well worth having a conversation though, because maybe he is getting "educated" by his friends in a way you need to correct some of the info or just curious, or who knows? Maybe he just wants a child that will be the "baby of the family" that isn't him - I know sometimes that can irritate an adolescent boy - my "baby" is almost 15. What experiences they have right now!

Ms Jo


Ocean Momma

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:58 pm


I appreciate the advice and I did have a 'chat' with him. He told me that since all of his babes were grown up, that he missed having chats and playing games with them. I told him that you could still do that with them. Their still his children and will always love him. It's not like their space aliens or anything. Just because they grew up a little bit doesn't mean that their completely bent on not having fun. God knows if they gained any of his genes it's going to be along time till they ever straighten up.
After the talk he told me { and kept up with it so far } that he would help out with the kids since he just got a promotion and would have more time at home. I actually considered his reasonings and asked my children what they thought. Of course the girls were all giggles and approval but Darien's response concerned me. I sat down with him after dinner in the dining room and asked him ' How would you feel if mommy was pregnant? ' He didn't say anything for the longest time, then he actually teared up. " I don't want a baby brother or sister... " he whispered, " If we had one...I wouldn't be loved anymore. I felt so bad! Darien hardly ever cries and when he does I know it's something bad. Naturally I told him that he'd always be loved and I asked him why he thought that he wouldn't be. He said that one of his friends was a middle child and never got any attention. I told him it was a load of hoo-ha and that if he didn't get any attention it was because he was lying to my baby!
So, I don't know now. I stopped taking the pill and we're not using condoms, so I guess 'come what may'.
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