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 Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:09 pm
just yesterday Zodokai one of the green day regulars and crew memners came to the thread and posted some information about our official thread.
seems that there is too much spamming and it is said that a mod will remake it. i aksed Lolli about this and this is her reply:lolli is fishbot Mistress Kill_(milk) Hello, i'm sure you don't know me, but I am a regular of the Official Green Day thread, that i'm sure you know is in the thread listing. i'm sure you are familiar with at least IbunCloudSlayer or F.ucked Equilibrium. Today a Regular came to the thread with this news: Zodokai Woah... all the regulars... have you seen the new thread listing for the music forum. Underneath Green Day it says soon to be remade by a mod. Has anybody heard anything from any of the mods about this? she and i were discussing it, and we were wondering what this is and what will happen to the thread. or just what is going to happen in general. i'm sure you are very busy and might not have time for this but i hope you get around to it sometime and inform me so i can inform all who care back at the Official Green Day Thread. Much thanks. Ibun agrees with me when I say what the current Green Day thread is not what the forum needs. It's very spammy and off-topic just a tad too much, and I and the other mods feel that it doesn't encourage new Gaians to use it. I know it is very confusing, but I felt it was neccessary to let the Green Day Official regs know.
i'd like everyone to be aware of this because we all should. and we should deal with the matter in a good way. and not take action too fast. i may be wrong about something here.. but i'm still disagreeing with the criticism that was placed on the thread seeing as how not many of the other official threads are any better.
thank you for taking you tiem to read this and feel free to post opinions on the raising matter.
(don't cause chaos among us. it may be for a good cause and i'm not saying it is. because i feel the contrary about this. i don't want fights though..)
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:19 pm
I agree, Mistress. I don't see how a mod-made thread will decrease the amount of spam and off-topic chat that happens anyways. If anything, it will get worse. Now, I for one know that I will refuse to use a mod-made Green Day thread, especially since our current one is so great. So, I am going to start a petition and possibly a boycott if the mods continue to press on with trying to remake the thread. Anyone who wants their name added to the petition should just post here or PM me.
Petition Signers
1. Zodokai
2. Mistress Kill_(milk)
3. TheWindWaker
4. sn0w1et
5. Xefeon Aisu
6. Kiriai
7. Apple Tea
8. Peeko
9. Broken Image
10. AlienX
11. childishwishes
12. Anamchara
13. dreugan29
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:38 pm
Add my name to the petition also, please! gonk
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:40 pm
add me to the petition! ( i was there...... )
I was talking with Mistress Kill and i told her the next:
what i hate the most, is when they do those stupid repeated threads, and at least people have learned from our example, that if they do one, INSTANTLY some regular will go and report it, and then people complain about the official because we go out of the topic, and stuff like that, we are just waiting for someone to talk about GD and meanwhile we will talk about the first thing that comes to our mind, and i believe that also in other official threads, some people do the same stuff, is the people or are we the problem?
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:21 am
Sign me up for the petition!!
I agree. We almost ALWAYS talk about Green Day. A few posts might not be, but there are usually a few different conversations going on...and if we are off-topic a little bit it's really easy to drag it back to Green Day seeing as we're all so obsessed. Regardless of how easy it is to get back on track - we are very rarely off-track, and if we are it's intertwined with something Green Day. There are very few exceptions.
I also do not see how a mod-made thread would be better. It might scare people off from using it, if anything. None of the mods are regulars on the Green Day thread. Shouldn't it be made by the fans?
The new thread is really great...we have a TON less spam, and it has lots of information. Very few n00bs come in and miss the guidelines. When they do, we refer them to the first page, and sometimes they'll even come back and have a semi-intellegent chat with us! I think the new thread is working VERY well! I don't see a need to make ANOTHER new one.
If the petition doesn't work, I say we go to www.suddenlaunch.com or something and start an entire Green Day forum for ourselves... xp xd Or just talk here in the guild... whee Or we can all sign up at www.geekstinkbreath.com or SOMETHING. (But I like Gaia, so I want it to work... crying )
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:07 am
This is pure bullshit. Please add my name to the petition, as well.
I don't get how mods think they can wipe out a whole thread because its "too spammy"! Have they looked at the other threads? We've had two very successful threads. I've looked around. The Marilyn Manson thread barely has 100 pages to it, and have they realized how much spam is in it?! And the Simple Plan thread, and the Good Charlotte thread, and ALL of the threads!
They can't expect everyone to obey the rules, and they know that a lot of people won't.
stressed
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:30 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:57 am
I shall list the reasons why I do not support this.
1) In the new thread, I promised that it would be less spammy. I believe that is what we all wanted, correct? Well that failed. You guys all turned it in to your own personal chatroom.
2) I am pretty bad about remembering to update things. I take responsibilty for making the thread, and that it was wrong of me to do so without consent; but what is done is done. If a mod is in charge, it will make it much easier to update.
3) I gave Lolli my permission to use anything she wanted to on the first page. Since everybody complimented me on how good it looked, I am confident that the new thread will look just as good.
4) The Official Green Day Thread should be about discussing Green Day. Not how your school day went, not about anything but the band, or band-related things. A little off-topic chat is okay, if it is spawned by something to do with Green Day; but it is optimal to keep that to a minimum.
5) I know you guys are upset about losing the first Official Thread, and you don't want to lose the second one; but we are all to blame for it's "failure" in the eyes of the regulars and the mods. You have to remember that the music forum is for music discussion, and the chatterbox is for chit-chat. You have to keep that in mind when posting in Official Threads.
6) When it really comes down to it, it is just a silly thread, on a silly forum. On the grand scale of things it's importance is minimal. I humbly request that you do not make such a fuss about this. You are just going to create negative attention, and I am sure you don't want that. There are plenty of things on Gaia alone that deserve more attention than protesting a new official thread.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:17 am
And now to contradict every reason you just posted, Ibun, you b*****d!
1) You can't promise that a thread will be "less spammy". Its impossible. And if you've noticed, I believe a forum is about chatting with others. Chat room. That's all this thread is. A chat room revolved around a band! What do youwant us to do, post every little known fact about the band? That's boring!
2) Stop blaming us for you being stupid enough to take the responsibility
of creating our new thread. You're doing just as good of a job as anyone else here could do.
3) Yeah the new one looked good - because it was made by a true Green Day fan! And we all helped, I believe, in setting the rules. Well, maybe not all, but I know all of that could not have been -just you-. If a mod remakes it, it'll look just as good, but there's nothing special about it. Its just another mod-made forum so it'll be "less spammy".
4) Is it possible that we can tie Green Day in with our lives? "Somebody bashed Green Day at school today!!" is something we see all the time. Notice the words Green and Day in it.
5) We've all failed? Feh, I beg to differ. None of us gave off our second, and very successful, thread to a mod to create, did we..?
6) A silly thread, a silly forum, yes. But its ours, and we've all worked hard to pull it up to where it is today. So we have every right to protest!
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:18 am
Ok, now I shall list my reasonings against yours, Ibun.
1. It is less spammy. By a lot. The old thread was almost nothing but spam. This one is mainly comprised of intelligent conversations about Green Day. You think a mod-made thread would be less spammy? Think again.
2. If you had only waited for somebody to be elected as the new thread creator, we wouldn't have had this problem. It is your fault that it doesn't get updated. The elected person would have taken the responsibility to do so.
3. Who cares? We don't need a mod-made thread. The one we have is good enough.
4. Why don't you run along and look back at the old thread. There was a lot less off-topic posting in there than in the new one. And, most times, the off-topic stuff is somewhat related to Green Day. And once again, how the hell is a mod-made thread going to stop that kind of stuff? It's not!
5. Well, I certainly do not see it as a 'failure' in my eyes, and I'm sure most of the other regulars don't either. And we really don't care what the mods think of it? They never post in it, so why should one of them be a new thread creator. It should be made by the fans, not people who feel 'obligated' to do so. And we do talk about Green Day. Look at some other mod-made official threads and tell me that's there's not off-topic stuff and spam. That's right. You can't. It happens everywhere no matter what.
6. Yes, it is just a thread on a forum. But, it's important to us fans. If it's of such minimal importance, why do the mods give a damn with how it is? Also, it's not negative attention. It's attention. And that's what we want. We want to keep our thread, without making it mod-run, since none of them are obviously not fans. I have never seen a mod post once, in either of the threads.
And I shall add one of my own. What gives you the authority to say it's best for the Green Day thread? You have not been around as a regular for nearly as long as most of the other regulars. This should be a decision made between all of us and the mods. Not just you and the mods.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:51 am
Okay first of all, was there really a need to call me a b*****d? neutral Please, let us discuss this like civil people. No insults. Now, in response:
1) The thread has been around less than a month, and it already has over 300 pages. That is ridiculous. There is no way that all of that, or most of that is centered around the band. No, posting that you are listening to a Green Day song isn't talking about the band.
2) Both of you said exactly what I said. I am not blaming you, I am blaming myself. You are right, I was wrong. It is quite simple.
3) That is my point exactly. The new thread is worse than the old one; but the old one isn't good either, because of the lack of details. The mod-made one will, hopefully, be a combination of good details, and less spam.
4) That is why I said some off-topic chat is okay, if it is spawned by something Green Day related, such as somebody bashing Green Day. But the topic should quickly go back to Green Day, which from what I have seen, it doesn't.
5) As I said, this was Lolli's idea. The whole things started when I PMed her, querying as to why the old thread was linked as opposed to the old one. The way she explained it made alot of sense to me. Yes I agreed; but I never said that because of this, it will be made. I never claimed to have all the authority over the official thread. Instead of complaining about it, why not talk to Lolli. Give her suggestions to make the thread well-made. If you guys think true fans should have input. Give it!
6) It is negative attention. Everybody already looks down on the fan-girls/boys. It is hard enough being a fan without the intelligent ones starting a silly "revolution" against the mods. Come on! Think about it for a second. People don't just become mods unless they know what they are doing. Why don't you give them some credit, instead of trying to "rise against" them. I hate to break it to you; but you won't succeed. I suggest you try to work with them, instead of against them.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:34 am
IbunCloudslayer Okay first of all, was there really a need to call me a b*****d? neutral Please, let us discuss this like civil people. No insults. Now, in response: 1) The thread has been around less than a month, and it already has over 300 pages. That is ridiculous. There is no way that all of that, or most of that is centered around the band. No, posting that you are listening to a Green Day song isn't talking about the band. 2) Both of you said exactly what I said. I am not blaming you, I am blaming myself. You are right, I was wrong. It is quite simple. 3) That is my point exactly. The new thread is worse than the old one; but the old one isn't good either, because of the lack of details. The mod-made one will, hopefully, be a combination of good details, and less spam. 4) That is why I said some off-topic chat is okay, if it is spawned by something Green Day related, such as somebody bashing Green Day. But the topic should quickly go back to Green Day, which from what I have seen, it doesn't. 5) As I said, this was Lolli's idea. The whole things started when I PMed her, querying as to why the old thread was linked as opposed to the old one. The way she explained it made alot of sense to me. Yes I agreed; but I never said that because of this, it will be made. I never claimed to have all the authority over the official thread. Instead of complaining about it, why not talk to Lolli. Give her suggestions to make the thread well-made. If you guys think true fans should have input. Give it! 6) It is negative attention. Everybody already looks down on the fan-girls/boys. It is hard enough being a fan without the intelligent ones starting a silly "revolution" against the mods. Come on! Think about it for a second. People don't just become mods unless they know what they are doing. Why don't you give them some credit, instead of trying to "rise against" them. I hate to break it to you; but you won't succeed. I suggest you try to work with them, instead of against them. 1. I'm sorry but most of the 300 is actually about the band try reading it and that goes for the mods too. There is alot less spam in the new thread, i hardly see how a new thread will be any different, i just consider it a pointless act thats just gonna make people who havent been in the thread that long disorientated, some people still post in the original thread, so are we now gonna have three threads going at once? The mods are wrong on this, like they are on so many occasions, for gods sake forums are supposed to be fun not some fascism police state. 4) Again you are completely wrong and its just so obvious that you havent read the thread at all. 5) Why not just leave it as it is? only the idiot mods have a problem with it. 6) Most of these mods are so ill qualified for their position. Half of them are hardly ever online. Maybe we'll work with them when they stop ******** with people for no reason. To add to that this thread is alot less spammy than most other i post on and what the hell does it matter if there is a little off topic posting. Who's it hurting exactly?
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:24 am
IbunCloudslayer 6) When it really comes down to it, it is just a silly thread, on a silly forum. On the grand scale of things it's importance is minimal. I humbly request that you do not make such a fuss about this. You are just going to create negative attention, and I am sure you don't want that. There are plenty of things on Gaia alone that deserve more attention than protesting a new official thread. Its more then a thread, if you don't see that sadly I feel sorry for you. It's a lot of friendships between people with a common insterest made. Surely it does get off topic but thats when people need to come in an bring up green day and put it back on topic. I know protest don't work but put me on it anyway.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:30 am
IbunCloudslayer Okay first of all, was there really a need to call me a b*****d? neutral Please, let us discuss this like civil people. No insults. i was gonna go with ignorant t**t but b*****d is fine. Or maybe spitful b*****d that fits better. the thread is a big success and a lot of poeple are enjoying it, thats obvious, in the last week alone there have been many people joining and enjoying the discussion too. Thats the point of forums, no-one wants the oppressive atmosphere that you seem to want to impose on the forum where every single post you make has to be pedantically checked to make sure you havent commited a crime.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:50 pm
Please add me to that list as well. I'm not in the mood to rebut all of Ibun's arguments in a list, so I'm just going to flat out state what is on my mind.
I love our thread. I really do. It isn't "just a silly forum," it's a community of friends. I love it the way it is, and I'd rather it be run by one us us. Having a mod control the thread will be taking us back a step. One of the central reasons for creating a new thread inthe first place was that the creator was absent. A mod would be no better than me_loser.
Also, the off-topic chatter in the thread was all sparked by conversation about the band. We rarely beging conversations on subjects that aren't at all linked to Green Day. The closest to that that I have ever seen is "Hey guys! How are you today?" In losing the thread we'd be losing too many memories, and I know that I wouldn't feel comfortable having an ever-watching mod hovering over us. The thread was made for the fans, by the fans.
Ibun, I love you hon, but this can't happen. You said yourself that the last time you made a group decision without us you regreted it. This is no different. I don't thnk that it is fair to speak to the mods about this monumental of a desicion without anybody else's input.
Long live the Official Thread! *salutes*
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