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WinterWolfGoddess

PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:43 pm


http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13455955&page=5

Look over pages 5 and 6 of my thread. I really did not know what to comeback with the last 2 posts, put these two are part of the Anti-Inflation thread, A.I.R., and yet they openly speak of taking advantage of the AI. This sickened me >.>
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:30 pm


Thank you for bringing it up to my attention...
I will place that as a flag. Those two have not made any contributions whatsoever in AIR.
Not Mordacity nor Pachulo. Mordacity has not posted within the guild and Pachulo only posted once.
I will give them five days to say something within the guild before banning.

The method has been simple. I know that there will always be spies whatever I do. So, I rather have people who are inflators come in and contribute what they know and speak there within the guild. However, if they mean to do such things without even really speaking and act in such a way, that is what I am against.

I tend to just allow any one who asks to go in to go in. To show them what it is and make their own decision. Other than that, I can not force them to do what I want. It is just that I tend to give people a chance.

Five days from this post if they do not contribute to the discussion within AIR, I will take them off.

I am slightly annoyed.

xyzse


xyzse

PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:03 pm


Them, I can understand in a sense. However, "Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good." as such they will be taken out given the warning.

"To believe in something, and not to live it, is dishonest. " With that I agree with you and as such am bound by my words. I do try for discourse but it seems even that can not be had.

The one they are helping and emulating I feel utter contempt for.

Hence here my post actually venting:
I am in shock. I officially have utter contempt now for an exchanger in gaia. I do truly apologize but this one has actually gotten on my more evil side.

First let me give you some background.
1 - AIR - The Anti-Inflation Revolution received quite a bit of join requests and as such I let them in. Feeling bad, I threw them a bone and re-vamped the ideas and lay-outs within. I know AIR is a subsidiary but back then it was pretty much cast off. So I am helping them out a bit.
2 - A known inflator, I let in. Why? Because I know that we do not know everything and a differing view might help.

My goal has been to expand the minds of newblings and gaians in general. Which is why my sales are geared to conditions and things they have to do, influencing the market is just the secondary goal. Well, tertiary because my primary goal is to have fun. The market right now just sucks, since I can't have a reasonable guarantee that the one I sell to won't screw me over and violate the trust and conditions of the sale. Which is pretty much why I am against inflation, because it is no fun when people are screwing each one over items.

Any way, back to my story. This guy, I let in. He mentions that he is a Catholic acting as the hand of God in destabilizing the market by rapidly inflating things. Where he will try to get much of the items and seclude himself with his faithful few to create a meritocracy society.

Here is the rub. In truth I think he is one of those who shows a mask of false piety for his own benefit much like many evangelicals out there.

The proof
The Inflator
Glad you PM'd me; the truth is right now I am not EXACTLY sure as to what my motives are. I am planning on more or less attempting to make a mockery of the market by creating a group who will eventually take over most of the donation and rare items in Gaia and from there I will begin my organization. Yes, Jesus blatantly attacked the marketplace and pulled people AWAY from capitalistic lives. Jesus also said "Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and render unto God what is God's" which is why I am working within the rules. I am trying to control market prices for about a year; and within that year I plan to reap as many of the rare items as possible and completely seclude them from the market in the future. If you have any suggestions or things to talk about then please feel free to contact me again; what is it that you are interested in doing?
He is bullshitting as he goes by. That he does not even know what his motives are.

That is what makes me feel absolute contempt for him. To create this and be the supposed arrogant judge of merit.

"Increase of material comforts, it may be generally laid down, does not in any way whatsoever conduce to moral growth. " which is exactly what he is doing wrong. Propagating selfishness for his own indulgence, and even if he truly believes that what he is doing is right, it will not stop the other profiteers from ruining everything else.

I have a huge distaste for those that would assume the air of zeal and purity while creating havoc upon others. Especially one who would take relish in destroying people's dreams.

I do apologize but I subscribe to this belief - "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit. " As such, I tend to allow people in to give a voice to what they think. Those that do not contribute and are known inflators I will definitely take off.
PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:58 am


I have a question for you then ...

If a Gaian would like to increase the amount of gold they possess, or, consequently, obtain certain items without going completely bankrupt, how would you suggest they go about Exchanging in order to get the items they want at a reasonable price, or to accumulate the amount of gold they need to get a higher priced item?

I know inflation (forced inflation, not natural price increase) is there because greedy Gaians want to make more on something they paid less for. Usually by considerable amounts (thousands instead of a couple hundred). However, it also hurts the people who don't have much, who fight and scrounge to accumulate the necessary funds, just so they can have the price inflated item.

It's not easy for anyone when Inflators take over, but there aren't enough anti-inflators (or, at the very least, people who can afford to take a loss of a few thousand gold) to make any sort of difference.

What's the average Gaian supposed to do?

This is the precise reason I joined the guild. (I apologize for not being more active, but I have two jobs and a lot going on.) I want to know how to be an Exchanger, but I want to be one of the good ones. Not one who abuses the privilege and raises prices left, right and center. I want to be one of those who can make a bit of a profit without being outrageous, and still work toward getting an item or amount of gold I want. I don't want to hurt other Gaians in the process, I don't want to artificially inflate the prices, I certainly don't want to play the 'Evil Vend/Marketplace Exchanger' game. However, I don't know what to do.

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xyzse

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 8:34 am


BeMuled - Actually, that is why we are trying to come up in AIR something called the GEE. Guide for Ethical Exchanging. It is the product of discussion and so we are hoping to implement that soon before the month is over.

Also, it is not enough to take a loss of a couple thousand any more. To be effective you need at least millions to do damage.
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:47 am


Millions ... o.O;; I've never even acheived the 1 million mark (though I'm slowly working my way toward it) in the entirity of my time on Gaia (not just under this account). That number baffles me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:31 pm


Oh...
Ummm, even with millions since anti-inflation is the goal it is still hard. It is a lot easier to do inflation.

I was told though that VO and Lanzer were interviewed about artificial inflation and they said it sucked but can't do anything official about it. That though I agree with their position, they don't have to make our work even harder in terms of not allowing price guides in the exchange any more.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:54 pm


They were interviewed about it!? Really!?!

Three Million


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:25 pm


Would you happen to have a link to the interview?

So ... in order to counter the false inflation (which is to say it's doubtful it can really be dropped, but perhaps kept more reasonable) people have to be able to sacrifice millions of gold to pull it off?

*blink blink*

Oh my ...

Well, in the case of myself, if I were any good at exchanging (knew a thing or two about how to buy and sell, and how to accumulate gold) and had all the trinkets that I'd like to collect for myself, then I wouldn't have any problem with the loss of millions. Heck, I always just figured once I have the stuff I want, I'd just start donating a couple thousand here and there to people I like, or to individuals I think deserve the charity. But helping to battle inflation sounds like a better idea ... if I were any good, that is. 3nodding sweatdrop 4laugh
PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:18 pm


Bemuled - Goodness, I am trying. In any case we will be doing a few more things that is coming up.

Oh my indeed.

xyzse


Slanzer

PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:24 pm


The problem with the admin is they don't understand how stocks work, otherwise they could insert stops like the realworld when things go way too high or way too low.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:32 am


xyzse
Bemuled - Goodness, I am trying. In any case we will be doing a few more things that is coming up.

Oh my indeed.


Ooh, new ideas to try out? 4laugh May I ask what they are? Or are you not at liberty to discuss it?

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xyzse

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:03 am


Well
AIR just took over INC...
DEAL store is now open which features four types of price structures. It gives deals to those that are working in charities or doing anti-inflation practices.

The boycotting of items also is up and running.

Fund-raising is still being done.
And other things of that nature.
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