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Formerly called the NCS, this is a place for communists and socialists to talk about communism and socialism. 

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Jahanian

PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:10 pm


There is a dire need for Communists/Socialists to be what they say they are. Follow Communist doctrine, and support the Communists parties and Revolution.

Who here is a true Communist?

I am.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:46 pm


Eh, this is tricky.

Us Trotskyists call Stalinist Revisionists. Stalinists call us revisionists. So there will be some disputes in this.

Contra mundus


Monsieur Rosebud

PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:14 am


I do what I can
PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:18 am


Actually, the duty of a communist is not to follow doctrines, because we are anti-dogmatic. Our duty is to think about the world, apply what is applicable, and forget what is no longer applicable. If we are simply dogmatists we will fail to adapt to unforseen problems, or fail to see potentially deadly conditions.

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Honorairy labtech#045

PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:57 am


I have a question. What counts as communism?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:24 am


RED I agree completely, I was rather angry last night >.>

I mostly meant for people who say they are communsts to act like communists, not like capitalists. Not like the people every communist ideology hates.

Jahanian


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:37 am


You are indeed correct then!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:58 pm


everybody knows I am the only true commuinist.

Steve Sage


Lady Merewyn

PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:31 pm


Obach Stove
everybody knows I am the only true commuinist.
Lol.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:55 pm


I'm probably not a True Communist in the Marxist sense. I'm much too radical in multiple contradictory issues

ComradeRedFerret


SoViEtTaNkT34
Crew

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 5:42 am


Obach Stove
everybody knows I am the only true commuinist.


That you are obach... that you are...
PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 4:55 pm


m-mann: you call stalinists revisionists? odd, while they certainly do 'revise', they are a much more deadly creature...


but as to saying its 'tricky', well, dont avoid the question. use it to create debate, as communists we should want these debates so we can show people that stalinism is class collaborationist and wrong.



as to the communist doctrine comment:

while gallenger is right in that we must not become rigidly dogmatic, we must follow one basic idea: proletarian revolution, ie, whatever can bring that about faster. it includes propaganda for communism, materialism, anti-imperialism(but not maoism or 'third-world-ism). these are what we should follow when deciding what route to take in any course of action.

Le Pere Duchesne
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Contra mundus

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:25 pm


Alright then which is a better idea for the revolution? "The Permenant Revolution" advocated by Trotsky, or "Socialism in one country" advocated by Bukharin and Stalin?
PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 4:03 am


The oriognal idae of Marx and the first internationale massive revolution that spreads to as many countries as possible..

We can see this is South America, as the revolution is quickly spreading there isn't much imperialism can do. However, when Venezuela (cuba for that matter bay of pigs) was isolated there was a coup attempt. The same happened in Russia, and though the revolution did not spread from Russia, they were simply strong enough to defeat the cossak and entente armies that landed on their shores.

As for socialism in one nation, it is impossible

As for Permanent Revolution. If I recall Trotsky only recommended that for states where capitalism is not yet fully developed. Thus requiring a small capitalist advance countered by a proletarian advance.

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SoViEtTaNkT34
Crew

PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 2:44 pm


REDGallenger
The oriognal idae of Marx and the first internationale massive revolution that spreads to as many countries as possible..

We can see this is South America, as the revolution is quickly spreading there isn't much imperialism can do. However, when Venezuela (cuba for that matter bay of pigs) was isolated there was a coup attempt. The same happened in Russia, and though the revolution did not spread from Russia, they were simply strong enough to defeat the cossak and entente armies that landed on their shores.

As for socialism in one nation, it is impossible

As for Permanent Revolution. If I recall Trotsky only recommended that for states where capitalism is not yet fully developed. Thus requiring a small capitalist advance countered by a proletarian advance.


I would beg to differ. The USSR was Socialist under Stalin economcily which cannot be denied. The government which was set up by the proletarait, forced collectivization (however I do not totally agree with but I do respect it). Socialism in a single state has been achieved, it did not last long but it was created.
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