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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:11 pm
I posted this in a TKD forum were alot of guys started saying how they would catch Muay Thai fighters kicks an press pressure point an crap. So i wrote this as a respones, tell me wta u think an if u agree.
You know wat guys, u can argue an think wat u want, ive seen aikido and jujutsu and hapkido an their absorpton of kicks is usually not done full force or speed, an i kno ull argue with me but i guarentee its not. Also u guys totally disregard psychological stress, the fight or flight escalation in ur body an adrenaline which makes u mess up if ur trying to do an absorbing crap which requires alot of concentration. I guarentee most of u have never been in a fight with a skilled Muay Thai fighter or NHB fighter, cause he wont jus kick an let u take his leg, he'll feint, confuse, dodge, block an parry an when u least expect it he'll break ur leg. All this movie bullshit u guys play in ur head will not work like o of course ill catch his leg an do this, no 9 out of 10 times u wont because any skilled fighter will tell u that most fights never go the way u want them too. So all this Keanu Reaves s**t u guys have built up forget it, cause like Vale Tudo states "anything goes" is wat fights are like. Also if u absorb a kick (unless ur spine is made of jello and u have the reflexes of a speed demon) he will follow with another attack an all of these attack will be fast and powerful, its not like these guys just kick once so u can do ur techniques, they kick to make sure that ur in pain an if that fails they punch, knee and combo is a ferosciously fast flurry, that unless u have no flinch reflex (which everyone has) will hit u and u will be ********, so dont tell me ur bullshit of O ill absorb his kick and press a pressure point on his leg an make him into Steven Hawkins, maybe against a boxer with no arms that may work, but not against a skilled fighter.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:04 am
Well said. Its also interesting to note that lots attacking techniques can actually be performed quicker than the human body can react. The average human reaction time is about 0.1-0.2 seconds, whereas a punch can be completed in ~0.03 seconds... do the math. Anything that relies on you catching or blocking then countering can generally be considered to be a bad idea
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:38 am
I saw that thread.
Let him try and absorb my kicks. smile The way I was taught, was to kick fast and snap the leg back. So I'm kicking like lightening and they can try and catach all they want. Not to mention if I lay a good place kick that their a** would be knock out or in great pain.
Saajei well said.
Is it me or are the ppl on Gaia that take TKD think they are the s**t? They are pretty much giving TKD people bad names.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:32 am
Masutatsu Is it me or are the ppl on Gaia that take TKD think they are the s**t? They are pretty much giving TKD people bad names. ....sadly...its not just Gaia.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:08 am
Bruce-Ganked-Lee Masutatsu Is it me or are the ppl on Gaia that take TKD think they are the s**t? They are pretty much giving TKD people bad names. ....sadly...its not just Gaia. Yeah, I guess. I've heard many stories of TKD guys thinking they the s**t and getting their a** kick. confused
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:44 pm
Masutatsu Bruce-Ganked-Lee Masutatsu Is it me or are the ppl on Gaia that take TKD think they are the s**t? They are pretty much giving TKD people bad names. ....sadly...its not just Gaia. Yeah, I guess. I've heard many stories of TKD guys thinking they the s**t and getting their a** kick. confused I don't particularly like TKD myself. And yeah dude, well said.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:58 pm
well this isnt really about TKD its more about those half a year aikido hot shots who think they can stop bullets now cause they learned the basics. But i agree TKD is way too commercialized to be considering an effective fighting style nemore, unless u study traditional old school post war TKD from a korean grandmaster, its bullshit an worse of all is most of these people think that just cause they can do a split an score a point in point sparring that they can fight....an that really pisses me off
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:54 pm
I hate when peopl say that they kick "lightning" fast. Bullshit, and also "I was taught to kick fast" who the ******** would teach you to kick slow? And no, of course if it's all about reactions then most people will flat out lose, it's more about anticipating what's going on. Example: Sakuraba, (kinda a bad example considering it's SAKU!) but he caught low kicks all the time. Many fighters do, and all the kicks they throw are by far generally faster and harder than ours. And most kicks are blocked... except low kicks... can't really block that. You can minimize it's damage or catch it, but you can't block it. lol. However you don't really need to catch or do anything considering a low kick is a risky move, if they're agressive and you make a mistake, you're pretty ********.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:51 am
Mirko_Filipovic I hate when peopl say that they kick "lightning" fast. lol Mirko_Filipovic "I was taught to kick fast" who the ******** would teach you to kick slow? People that don't know what the hell they are doing? There is a right way of kicking and a wrong way. If you just kick without being taught or learning the proper way of kicking, your leg will be ******** up by a skill fighter or by yourself. All I'm saying is the way I was taught to kick is fast and effective.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:12 pm
Masutatsu Mirko_Filipovic I hate when peopl say that they kick "lightning" fast. lol Mirko_Filipovic "I was taught to kick fast" who the ******** would teach you to kick slow? People that don't know what the hell they are doing? There is a right way of kicking and a wrong way. If you just kick without being taught or learning the proper way of kicking, your leg will be ******** up by a skill fighter or by yourself. All I'm saying is the way I was taught to kick is fast and effective. A mcdojo could teach you to kick slow? Lol. "Students, slow and steady wins the race!" "But sensei, this is a fight!" "Silence! ::smacks:: I am sensei!"
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:24 pm
lol. Ture Jazbo, oh so sadly true I'm thinking of going to a McDojo simply for if they have sparring and just ******** people up. Wouldn't that be great?
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:12 pm
DarklingGlory Well said. Its also interesting to note that lots attacking techniques can actually be performed quicker than the human body can react. The average human reaction time is about 0.1-0.2 seconds, whereas a punch can be completed in ~0.03 seconds... do the math. Anything that relies on you catching or blocking then countering can generally be considered to be a bad idea Thats true though obviously the numbers shall vary person to person, hence why the majority of my training is dedicated to making myself as fast as freaking possible. Though as I've stated before TKD does have merit it all depends how you apply it, people win fights, not styles and yes though I agree that some styles are better adaptable and appliable as well as carry better training oppurtunities it depends wholly on the person.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:44 pm
I have seen this thread for a while, and I think I should add in a bit of my views ... mrgreen DarklingGlory Well said. Its also interesting to note that lots attacking techniques can actually be performed quicker than the human body can react. The average human reaction time is about 0.1-0.2 seconds, whereas a punch can be completed in ~0.03 seconds... do the math. Anything that relies on you catching or blocking then countering can generally be considered to be a bad idea Well, I have to agree on that, I can't really parry a jab at close range, because the pullback of the strike is too fast ... ha, but kicks are sometimes easy to block ... I once injured my instep by sending a turning kick into a joint, I forgot whether it is an elbow or a knee (it was a mid section kick ...) and pretty much suffered from a large amount of pain ... Masutatsu Bruce-Ganked-Lee Masutatsu Is it me or are the ppl on Gaia that take TKD think they are the s**t? They are pretty much giving TKD people bad names. ....sadly...its not just Gaia. Yeah, I guess. I've heard many stories of TKD guys thinking they the s**t and getting their a** kick. confused Ha ... true ... sweatdrop Instant fighters are common. 3 months and they become elite masters skilled in highly advance fighting arts ... stare until some nameless white belt or 'unskilled' fellow comes and caused them lots and lots of pain ... whee Jazbo Masutatsu Mirko_Filipovic I hate when peopl say that they kick "lightning" fast. lol Mirko_Filipovic "I was taught to kick fast" who the ******** would teach you to kick slow? People that don't know what the hell they are doing? There is a right way of kicking and a wrong way. If you just kick without being taught or learning the proper way of kicking, your leg will be ******** up by a skill fighter or by yourself. All I'm saying is the way I was taught to kick is fast and effective. A mcdojo could teach you to kick slow? Lol. "Students, slow and steady wins the race!" "But sensei, this is a fight!" "Silence! ::smacks:: I am sensei!" sweatdrop Well, there are also slow forms of training being taught, like 'slowly' lifting up your leg into a turning kick or side kick, holding it for a 10 to 20 counts before putting it down ... it puts stress on your calves and helps develop the form of the kick ... (most Instant fighters would swing their leg up straight up, hitting with their toes instead of instep ... lacks the chamber, kick and snap back action ... xp ) Speed is trained on a target, because kicking the air at full speed, injures your knee joints ... sweatdrop Mirko_Filipovic lol. Ture Jazbo, oh so sadly true I'm thinking of going to a McDojo simply for if they have sparring and just ******** people up. Wouldn't that be great? Well, I as a wayfarer, I have a bit of pity for them ... sweatdrop (unless they ran around you like idiots and started to surround you, dancing around before swing their legs and fists at you ... you can cause hurt to them in 'self defense' ... 3nodding )
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:02 am
WayfarerStrife I have seen this thread for a while, and I think I should add in a bit of my views ... mrgreen DarklingGlory Well said. Its also interesting to note that lots attacking techniques can actually be performed quicker than the human body can react. The average human reaction time is about 0.1-0.2 seconds, whereas a punch can be completed in ~0.03 seconds... do the math. Anything that relies on you catching or blocking then countering can generally be considered to be a bad idea Well, I have to agree on that, I can't really parry a jab at close range, because the pullback of the strike is too fast ... ha, but kicks are sometimes easy to block ... I once injured my instep by sending a turning kick into a joint, I forgot whether it is an elbow or a knee (it was a mid section kick ...) and pretty much suffered from a large amount of pain ... Yep standing within punching range then trying to block a jab is really really hard. Hehe, I love blocking kicks with elbows and knees, not strictly allowed in TKD sparring but very hard to spot and causes lots and lots of pain/numbness xd . Its another reason I dont like using the instep, I much prefer the ball of the foot or the shin. Unless you get the instep in exactly the right spot on the leg its only a point sparring tool WayfarerStrife sweatdrop Well, there are also slow forms of training being taught, like 'slowly' lifting up your leg into a turning kick or side kick, holding it for a 10 to 20 counts before putting it down ... it puts stress on your calves and helps develop the form of the kick ... (most Instant fighters would swing their leg up straight up, hitting with their toes instead of instep ... lacks the chamber, kick and snap back action ... xp ) Speed is trained on a target, because kicking the air at full speed, injures your knee joints ... sweatdrop Thats just strength training, no one actually teaches you to kick like that (at least I hope not). And it not only builds up the calfs, it does the whole lot, all the muscles up the leg, hips and and lower abdomen.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:02 pm
DarklingGlory WayfarerStrife I have seen this thread for a while, and I think I should add in a bit of my views ... mrgreen DarklingGlory Well said. Its also interesting to note that lots attacking techniques can actually be performed quicker than the human body can react. The average human reaction time is about 0.1-0.2 seconds, whereas a punch can be completed in ~0.03 seconds... do the math. Anything that relies on you catching or blocking then countering can generally be considered to be a bad idea Well, I have to agree on that, I can't really parry a jab at close range, because the pullback of the strike is too fast ... ha, but kicks are sometimes easy to block ... I once injured my instep by sending a turning kick into a joint, I forgot whether it is an elbow or a knee (it was a mid section kick ...) and pretty much suffered from a large amount of pain ... Yep standing within punching range then trying to block a jab is really really hard. Hehe, I love blocking kicks with elbows and knees, not strictly allowed in TKD sparring but very hard to spot and causes lots and lots of pain/numbness xd . Its another reason I dont like using the instep, I much prefer the ball of the foot or the shin. Unless you get the instep in exactly the right spot on the leg its only a point sparring tool WayfarerStrife sweatdrop Well, there are also slow forms of training being taught, like 'slowly' lifting up your leg into a turning kick or side kick, holding it for a 10 to 20 counts before putting it down ... it puts stress on your calves and helps develop the form of the kick ... (most Instant fighters would swing their leg up straight up, hitting with their toes instead of instep ... lacks the chamber, kick and snap back action ... xp ) Speed is trained on a target, because kicking the air at full speed, injures your knee joints ... sweatdrop Thats just strength training, no one actually teaches you to kick like that (at least I hope not). And it not only builds up the calfs, it does the whole lot, all the muscles up the leg, hips and and lower abdomen. Strangely, I've never really favoured the balls of the feet unless it was sort of a...heavy...booting shoving kick if you get my meaning, the laces/instep I've always used solely for speed, I love kicking like a whip on the rare occasions I do kick, I'm strangely addicted to the sort of "hrmmph!" sound people seem to exert when they almost fold in on themselves as they fall onto the floor. Most targets below the waist I tend to hit with my shins anyway, and I'm much more likely to knee then to kick anyway.
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