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 Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:24 pm
Right, i've had enough. Every thread in this damn forum is either 'marx this' or 'capitalism that', and everyone has been reduced to spouting their prefered rhetoric.
THIS ISN'T ANY FUN!
So, to try and buck the trend somewhat, how about we discuss the ways in which we would carry our socialist/communist/other flavoured revolution?
Do you prefer a swift revolution, or a more gradual approach?
Will people need to die, or is everyone allowed to embrace your choice of ideology?
What do you expect to achieve, and how long do you think it will take?
Well, what are you waiting for? Get to it!
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:50 pm
I am fully in support of a gradual revolution through diplomatic means. I know that is unlikely, seeing as almost all revolutions are violent...I'd like us to be at least like Sweden by the time I die, though
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:30 pm
I want Revolution fast (not too fast that it get's out of control) and through a Vanguard Party. That's what I want.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:08 pm
I say take to the streets and spread the message tonight damnit!
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:54 am
A gradual diplomatic change is best. A quick, violent revolution brings an idea that many people, at least in America, don't agree with to them before they have a chance to form a positive opinion of it. If something new is established too quickly, it will fall apart.
I think it would be interesting if every communist/socialist in the United States moved to one single state, making them the majority there, and decided to break away from the US forming their own communist country. Then, as more Americans become communist they could do the same thing and join with the other state that broke away eventually bringing all of the US. I know, the idea is a little far fetched, but it's just an idea.
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:58 am
The Socialist Republic of Texas?
weird Idea to have come up with.
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:02 pm
M-mann The Socialist Republic of Texas? weird Idea to have come up with. Yes, I know. I have alot of wierd ideas.
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:10 pm
Revolution will come democratically or through arms. Either way, it'll happen. I'd like to see one happen without a single life lost, but what one hopes for and what one gets are very different kettles of fish.
The way I see it, it doesn't matter HOW it happens, but the more preferable option is a gradual transition through democracy.
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:48 pm
Democratically would be best because it would show a majority, and a communist government with a public mandate would be more stable and more likely to last. It would take a while to get that majority though... alas!
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:54 pm
Captain Pooshoes Right, i've had enough. Every thread in this damn forum is either 'marx this' or 'capitalism that', and everyone has been reduced to spouting their prefered rhetoric. THIS ISN'T ANY FUN! So, to try and buck the trend somewhat, how about we discuss the ways in which we would carry our socialist/communist/other flavoured revolution? Do you prefer a swift revolution, or a more gradual approach? This depends on the country.
EU needs gradual approach, because socialist and communist parties are already strong enough.
China needs a revolution, because of it's pseudo-socialism.
Dictatorships need a revolution
Democratic countries work fine with gradual change.
USA is weird. It has democracy, but only a limited one, where corporations and the dual-party rules all. USA needs gradual approach and if the government fights the people, then revolution will be necessary.Will people need to die, or is everyone allowed to embrace your choice of ideology? No one needs to die. Socialism will work best with democracy, no death penalty, and a balanced mix of free-market with restrictions and centrally planned economy for key sectors (transport, energy, arms, water, education, health care)What do you expect to achieve, and how long do you think it will take? A social states where poverty is a word without meaning. ie. no people on the brink of poverty.
Food,home,school,job,health,wealth
EU 5-20 years
USA min 50 years. I expect about 75 years.
majority of Africa min 200 years.
The world 300-1000 yearsWell, what are you waiting for? Get to it! What do you think am I doing?
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:50 pm
Quote: Do you prefer a swift revolution, or a more gradual approach? A gradual revolution would involve educating people on the goals, on socialism, ect. A swift revolution would be more militant. While I must unfortunately admit that sometimes war can be necessary (we can make it so it won't be in the future) I myself have made a vow of complete pacifism. So, I think I'd go with the gradual approach. Quote: Will people need to die, or is everyone allowed to embrace your choice of ideology? I think it can be done peacefully. However, things can turn violent, and I think we should be very ready for that possibility. Quote: What do you expect to achieve, and how long do you think it will take? Well, I'm just working on America, but the same principal can be applied to any nation. Simply add more socialist principals to our existing democracy. How? Through the will of the people. People want Healthcare. That's a start. Many people want to help the unemployed and the homeless. There's another place. This will also help Americans become more open to Marxist philosophy, beyond the propaganda they know. I think it will take anywhere between 25 and 100 years. It all depends on how policies shape over the years. Quote: Well, what are you waiting for? Get to it! Well, I mentioned before, I am a screenwriter or director. I'm doing my part now. Cinema has played a major part of every major political movement of the last century.
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:01 am
Quote: Do you prefer a swift revolution, or a more gradual approach? I think a gradual approach would be best, get ppl used to the idea of a pure Neo-Communist setup, give ppl time to adjust. On the downside this would give corporate companies the time to pull out, and would in ways limit the excising of industry under the new state. In the final days Canada, would likely be divided, and so a revolution would be necessary to oppose those who would keep the capitalist heirarchy moving. At this point many things would need to be decided for a clear future, that would one day engulf the rest of Canada, and perhaps neighbouring states. Quote: Will people need to die, or is everyone allowed to embrace your choice of ideology? There is always an amount of fighting to any revolution. Some will die for the greater good, but ideally the human cost would be low. Quote: What do you expect to achieve, and how long do you think it will take? I think there will be great unrest with the energy crisis, and threats to the country via global warming which could do far worse than decrease land mass and make the winter's more livable. . . likely great storms, global flooding, and the turning of farming areas into a dirt bowl due to similar practices leading to the dirty thirties (but this time worse due to the groundwater situation). People will be divided at this time, due to despearate straights, suicide rates will skyrocket. But rationally as the years set in the proleteriate will come to realize that by sticking together ideologically they can overcome odds, and while moving out east and west the stabilization of a new ideology founded around Socialist and Communist principles will come into play. The NDP will be elected because of the infiltration into society of deeper principles. There will be a progression to a more natural State and a better state of being. This could begin to happen in less than 20 years, and will take a lot longer to come to fruition. Maybe wishful thinking, but it could happen.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:27 pm
Everybody gets drunk and plays ping pong. Everyone wakes up the next morning with a hangover and the realization that captialism no longer exists.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:24 pm
Marxist-Leninist Theory states a gradual process towards a Proleterian future...
This is where my thoughts clash...
I wish to follow a more Stalin-Trotsky way of building up radically and militarily...
I have already find several friends in my school who shall help me spread the Party's words...
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:06 pm
Captain Pooshoes Do you prefer a swift revolution, or a more gradual approach? Given our modern views? I'm not quite sure. I'd probably have a member lie and gain control of the democratic party and hopefully win an election and start fiddling around through that. I honestly don't know how well our influence is by just running under SPUSA and CPUSA. A military coup could be quicker and get things out of the way, but it might be harder. It would really depend on how the public feels. EDIT: Here's my other plan. We move into Hawaii and/or Alaska right? Then we influence the people in those states to break away and form an alliance with each other. We have good resources from Hawaii, and we have oil and lots of space in Alaska. We then ally with other nations, and gain support through that. We then send people over to Napal to help them gain a Socialist country. I mean, who needs the US when we have Hawaii and Alaska? If we can continue trade with China and Japan we're pretty much set you know? eek OMG I'm totally turning this into a novel. Captain Pooshoes Will people need to die, or is everyone allowed to embrace your choice of ideology? No ideal is won without sacrifice wink . No seriously, if people don't try to work in the new style of governing, they'll be put to work to assimilate. If not they'll be more forcibly pushed into until there's nothing to push or they learn. Captain Pooshoes What do you expect to achieve, and how long do you think it will take? It really depends on the public reaction. A decade or two to get it stable I guess. I'd hope for a Stalinist form of Socialism by then (of course).
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