|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:41 am
Word is that the WWE will be going to Montreal for Survivor Series 2007, the 10 year anniversary of the "Montreal Screwjob". It's the usual case of the WWE living in the past. Granted, Bret's last WWE match was what firmly established the Vince McMahon character as a villain for years to come and it helped give the WWE some much needed attention (and also causing Bret Hart to become redundant in WCW). However, it's time to move on... It's one thing to have an anniversary of an event that happened 10 years ago; it's another to keep beating the deadhorse. The WWE has been in Montreal multiple times and has done the screwjob finish multiple times. So what that Survivor Series is in Montreal? What, is Vince McMahon going to please Montreal fans with another screwjob? Seriously, how much more can the WWE milk this significant event in wrestling history? Even Vince Russo, in WCW, tried to relive what occurred in November of 1997.
Plus, just having the event in Montreal to celebrate the screwjob once more is just going to make Bret Hart even more happy that he only did the Hall of Fame ceremony and didn't sign a contract. It's a simple fact that the WWE is more obsessed with Bret Hart than Bret Hart is obsessed with the WWE. Bret saved his money and can actually generate an income outside of wrestling. The Hitman doesn't need the WWE to survive and he's quite content with the money he's already made. The WWE can't stand that. Vince McMahon clearly gets off at former talent begging to return. Since 2002, Vince will cave into Hulk Hogan's demands whenever he wants to be on television. Hacksaw Jim Duggan? Welcome back? Tatanka, you want to return? Come on in! Viscera? Oh baby, let me hold the door! The mere fact that the WWE let Scott "I do drugs/alcohol on every day that ends in Y" Hall back shows you how much Vince gets off when old stars return. Seriously, he brought back Sable and she filed a sexual harassment suit against the WWE.
But Bret won't come back fulltime. He did 2 things for the fans and NOT for his pocketbook OR Vince McMahon. The DVD was a lasting tribute to his career and it allowed him to give fans his input about his career. Bret got to select the matches, too, which makes the video a personal outreach to Bret's fans. Bret did the Hall of Fame Ceremony, without pay, so that he could say his final goodbyes. I absolutely loved how he said "you no longer have to worry about me, I'm fine, I'm in good health" or something of that nature during his Hall of Fame speech. It just completely eats at Vince McMahon how a former star can detach himself from the product and not beg to come back.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:24 pm
don't you think you might be reading too much into it? there's nothing known about plans for this year's Survivor Series except for the location. are they likely to bring up the Montreal Screwjob? probably, yea, but good odds are that the fans there will bring it up first. then again for all we know there could be a public apology made for the events that happened 10 years ago. so this is really a case of wait and see.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Wolf-Eye Ronin Vice Captain
|
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:59 pm
First things first...i have to giggle at the idea of Vince publically apologizing for anything, including burping. I'm not getting on you, Helms, that's just not his story character. The day Vince apologizes to the public, in character, for anything is the day i stuff peas up my nose.
Now about Bret Hart.........
Where did you hear he did the Hall of Fame Ceremony for free? It's a television appearance, you get paid. That's the way those things work. I do kind of agree with you about one thing though. Vince does love the idea of Bret being around...for the money. From a business standpoint, Bret Hart equals sales, whether you like him or not, and Vince is no dummy when it comes to money-making ideas. That being said, i got the impression that there are some things going on behind the scenes that most people aren't aware of. I think that Bret got put in the Hall of Fame as a final "goodbye". Sort of a "thanks for the memories, you got what you wanted, now go away and don't come back" kind of arrangement. I point to further evidence using his refusal to be recognized with the rest of the group at Wrestlemania. That was something totally disrespectful to the fans, the moment, and all the other people that worked so hard to get to the same place. I admit i'm biased, since i never really liked Bret to begin with, but that aside i try to be reasonable with my views of things. I just think that we've finally seen an end to the Bret "situation" and it will probably never be brought up again.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:09 am
it was reported Bret did the HoF for free because he said he'd never work for the WWE again. if they gave him an appearance fee that would imply he was working for them. so they skipped out on the appearance fee but WWE did cover the payment for his travel and I think lodgings as well.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Wolf-Eye Ronin Vice Captain
|
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:04 pm
I won't knit-pick over travel expenses, because they don't really count. But appearance fees don't mean you're working for someone. Anyone that goes on Leno or Letterman gets one, but they're not working for them. If Bret really did state that he was doing the Hall of Fame for free, then okay. But saying that you'll never work for Vince again isn't the same thing.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:14 pm
Wolf-Eye Ronin I won't knit-pick over travel expenses, because they don't really count. But appearance fees don't mean you're working for someone. Anyone that goes on Leno or Letterman gets one, but they're not working for them. If Bret really did state that he was doing the Hall of Fame for free, then okay. But saying that you'll never work for Vince again isn't the same thing. Bret did the appearance for Free. It has been noted by Bret himself on wwe.com back when they first said he was being inducted.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Wolf-Eye Ronin Vice Captain
|
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:18 pm
Okay then, he did it for free. Still doesn't change my opinion of him as a person.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:45 am
The "I'm Bret Hart and I can't be a professional so my boss did what was good for business" Screwjob will get brought up. I PROMISE you that. If HBK is on that card, he will get booed, and the chants of "We want Bret" and "You screwed Bret" will come about. The Canadian fans of WWE will NEVER get over that whole situation, nor will Hart. Is Vince milking that situation for all it's worth? You bet your a** he is. Vince is a businessman. Whatever puts asses in the seats, he'll do it. It really seems to me like Shawn, on or off camera, is the only person who has made any significant attempt to move on from what happened. As far as Bret doing the Hall of Fame for free, he did it as one final spit in the face to Michaels, McMahon, and the WWE as a whole. From what I gathered from the interview I read somewhere in this guild. He basically did it to say "******** you, I deserve this s**t, and Michaels and McMahon can kiss my a**." Way to go Bret. Way to be a winner.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Soothsayer Jeckal Vice Captain
|
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:53 pm
Lucias Evan Belmont The "I'm Bret Hart and I can't be a professional so my boss did what was good for business" Screwjob will get brought up. I PROMISE you that. If HBK is on that card, he will get booed, and the chants of "We want Bret" and "You screwed Bret" will come about. The Canadian fans of WWE will NEVER get over that whole situation, nor will Hart. Is Vince milking that situation for all it's worth? You bet your a** he is. Vince is a businessman. Whatever puts asses in the seats, he'll do it. It really seems to me like Shawn, on or off camera, is the only person who has made any significant attempt to move on from what happened. As far as Bret doing the Hall of Fame for free, he did it as one final spit in the face to Michaels, McMahon, and the WWE as a whole. From what I gathered from the interview I read somewhere in this guild. He basically did it to say "******** you, I deserve this s**t, and Michaels and McMahon can kiss my a**." Way to go Bret. Way to be a winner. I'm getting just a tad bit fed up with the ignorance of your post concerning Bret. Note how Bret never once mention The Screwjob in his speech? Also if you get his DVD and the Magazine that comes with it He never mentions the Montral incedent until it is brought up by the interviewer. You seriously should check your facts. I know exactly how you will respond. You will sai that "You know what you saw and thats what you judge by" Then I will ask you "what your source is? Television characters or were you there?" Then you reply with more double talk avoiding the quastion, then I'll reply again and you usually say I'm wrong and you refuse to argue about it. Lets check the facts: Is Bret dragging on the incedent? No. Is Vince milking it? Yes. Is it True Bret never went back to the WWE after the Montreal incedent except for the DVD and HOF? No, Bret was backstage at multiple WWE tapings, chatting it up with Earl hebner, Vince McMahon and other superstars. He was there in support of Owen. Did Bret get paid for the Ceramony? No, Vince just covered the expenses of his flight and Hotel. Bret refused to acept a pay check because that would mean he was working on behalf of WWE again. In a 1999 Interview how did Bret react to the fans siding with him? Bret said he is flattered with the fans support, but also said none of them know the true facts behind such things, and in many ways he wishes they would forget about it. Did Jeckal listen to his idol? Hell no.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:24 pm
Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont The "I'm Bret Hart and I can't be a professional so my boss did what was good for business" Screwjob will get brought up. I PROMISE you that. If HBK is on that card, he will get booed, and the chants of "We want Bret" and "You screwed Bret" will come about. The Canadian fans of WWE will NEVER get over that whole situation, nor will Hart. Is Vince milking that situation for all it's worth? You bet your a** he is. Vince is a businessman. Whatever puts asses in the seats, he'll do it. It really seems to me like Shawn, on or off camera, is the only person who has made any significant attempt to move on from what happened. As far as Bret doing the Hall of Fame for free, he did it as one final spit in the face to Michaels, McMahon, and the WWE as a whole. From what I gathered from the interview I read somewhere in this guild. He basically did it to say "******** you, I deserve this s**t, and Michaels and McMahon can kiss my a**." Way to go Bret. Way to be a winner. I'm getting just a tad bit fed up with the ignorance of your post concerning Bret. Note how Bret never once mention The Screwjob in his speech? Also if you get his DVD and the Magazine that comes with it He never mentions the Montral incedent until it is brought up by the interviewer. You seriously should check your facts. I know exactly how you will respond. You will sai that "You know what you saw and thats what you judge by" Then I will ask you "what your source is? Television characters or were you there?" Then you reply with more double talk avoiding the quastion, then I'll reply again and you usually say I'm wrong and you refuse to argue about it. Lets check the facts: Is Bret dragging on the incedent? No. Is Vince milking it? Yes. Is it True Bret never went back to the WWE after the Montreal incedent except for the DVD and HOF? No, Bret was backstage at multiple WWE tapings, chatting it up with Earl hebner, Vince McMahon and other superstars. He was there in support of Owen. Did Bret get paid for the Ceramony? No, Vince just covered the expenses of his flight and Hotel. Bret refused to acept a pay check because that would mean he was working on behalf of WWE again. In a 1999 Interview how did Bret react to the fans siding with him? Bret said he is flattered with the fans support, but also said none of them know the true facts behind such things, and in many ways he wishes they would forget about it. Did Jeckal listen to his idol? Hell no. Ignorance? In the guild, someone posted an interview with Hart after the Hall of Fame and it was blantantly clear to me that Hart isn't over the situation, nor will he ever be. You want facts, they're right here: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=2603823Bret doesn't mention the Screwjob because he knows that's what people want him to talk about. I'm not gonna act like I know Hart personally, but based on his behavior as of recently, I've come to the conclusions I have. I choose not to argue with you because you feel that you are right and that's that. I may dislike Hart, but I don't let my dislike of him cloud my judgement. That interview blatantly proved to me that Hart is everything I said he was. I also won't dispute any of the facts that you posted minus the third one. After he took off for WCW, he never came back. I'll admit that I wasn't there for the lag time before he left for WCW, nor was I backstage to see, but I find it highly doubtable that he hung around to hang out with Vince and Hebner after the incident went down.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Soothsayer Jeckal Vice Captain
|
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:01 am
Lucias Evan Belmont Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont The "I'm Bret Hart and I can't be a professional so my boss did what was good for business" Screwjob will get brought up. I PROMISE you that. If HBK is on that card, he will get booed, and the chants of "We want Bret" and "You screwed Bret" will come about. The Canadian fans of WWE will NEVER get over that whole situation, nor will Hart. Is Vince milking that situation for all it's worth? You bet your a** he is. Vince is a businessman. Whatever puts asses in the seats, he'll do it. It really seems to me like Shawn, on or off camera, is the only person who has made any significant attempt to move on from what happened. As far as Bret doing the Hall of Fame for free, he did it as one final spit in the face to Michaels, McMahon, and the WWE as a whole. From what I gathered from the interview I read somewhere in this guild. He basically did it to say "******** you, I deserve this s**t, and Michaels and McMahon can kiss my a**." Way to go Bret. Way to be a winner. I'm getting just a tad bit fed up with the ignorance of your post concerning Bret. Note how Bret never once mention The Screwjob in his speech? Also if you get his DVD and the Magazine that comes with it He never mentions the Montral incedent until it is brought up by the interviewer. You seriously should check your facts. I know exactly how you will respond. You will sai that "You know what you saw and thats what you judge by" Then I will ask you "what your source is? Television characters or were you there?" Then you reply with more double talk avoiding the quastion, then I'll reply again and you usually say I'm wrong and you refuse to argue about it. Lets check the facts: Is Bret dragging on the incedent? No. Is Vince milking it? Yes. Is it True Bret never went back to the WWE after the Montreal incedent except for the DVD and HOF? No, Bret was backstage at multiple WWE tapings, chatting it up with Earl hebner, Vince McMahon and other superstars. He was there in support of Owen. Did Bret get paid for the Ceramony? No, Vince just covered the expenses of his flight and Hotel. Bret refused to acept a pay check because that would mean he was working on behalf of WWE again. In a 1999 Interview how did Bret react to the fans siding with him? Bret said he is flattered with the fans support, but also said none of them know the true facts behind such things, and in many ways he wishes they would forget about it. Did Jeckal listen to his idol? Hell no. Ignorance? In the guild, someone posted an interview with Hart after the Hall of Fame and it was blantantly clear to me that Hart isn't over the situation, nor will he ever be. You want facts, they're right here: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=2603823Bret doesn't mention the Screwjob because he knows that's what people want him to talk about. I'm not gonna act like I know Hart personally, but based on his behavior as of recently, I've come to the conclusions I have. I choose not to argue with you because you feel that you are right and that's that. I may dislike Hart, but I don't let my dislike of him cloud my judgement. That interview blatantly proved to me that Hart is everything I said he was. I also won't dispute any of the facts that you posted minus the third one. After he took off for WCW, he never came back. I'll admit that I wasn't there for the lag time before he left for WCW, nor was I backstage to see, but I find it highly doubtable that he hung around to hang out with Vince and Hebner after the incident went down. Notice how only a part of the interview is posted and the rest in nothing other than opinions? Only a select few part of the interview shows Hart's reply. Thus making your so-called evidence fail. Bret did return, not as a worker, he just hung around backstage. He did pal around with a few wrestlers, and he was there mainly to see Owen.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:17 am
Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont The "I'm Bret Hart and I can't be a professional so my boss did what was good for business" Screwjob will get brought up. I PROMISE you that. If HBK is on that card, he will get booed, and the chants of "We want Bret" and "You screwed Bret" will come about. The Canadian fans of WWE will NEVER get over that whole situation, nor will Hart. Is Vince milking that situation for all it's worth? You bet your a** he is. Vince is a businessman. Whatever puts asses in the seats, he'll do it. It really seems to me like Shawn, on or off camera, is the only person who has made any significant attempt to move on from what happened. As far as Bret doing the Hall of Fame for free, he did it as one final spit in the face to Michaels, McMahon, and the WWE as a whole. From what I gathered from the interview I read somewhere in this guild. He basically did it to say "******** you, I deserve this s**t, and Michaels and McMahon can kiss my a**." Way to go Bret. Way to be a winner. I'm getting just a tad bit fed up with the ignorance of your post concerning Bret. Note how Bret never once mention The Screwjob in his speech? Also if you get his DVD and the Magazine that comes with it He never mentions the Montral incedent until it is brought up by the interviewer. You seriously should check your facts. I know exactly how you will respond. You will sai that "You know what you saw and thats what you judge by" Then I will ask you "what your source is? Television characters or were you there?" Then you reply with more double talk avoiding the quastion, then I'll reply again and you usually say I'm wrong and you refuse to argue about it. Lets check the facts: Is Bret dragging on the incedent? No. Is Vince milking it? Yes. Is it True Bret never went back to the WWE after the Montreal incedent except for the DVD and HOF? No, Bret was backstage at multiple WWE tapings, chatting it up with Earl hebner, Vince McMahon and other superstars. He was there in support of Owen. Did Bret get paid for the Ceramony? No, Vince just covered the expenses of his flight and Hotel. Bret refused to acept a pay check because that would mean he was working on behalf of WWE again. In a 1999 Interview how did Bret react to the fans siding with him? Bret said he is flattered with the fans support, but also said none of them know the true facts behind such things, and in many ways he wishes they would forget about it. Did Jeckal listen to his idol? Hell no. Ignorance? In the guild, someone posted an interview with Hart after the Hall of Fame and it was blantantly clear to me that Hart isn't over the situation, nor will he ever be. You want facts, they're right here: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=2603823Bret doesn't mention the Screwjob because he knows that's what people want him to talk about. I'm not gonna act like I know Hart personally, but based on his behavior as of recently, I've come to the conclusions I have. I choose not to argue with you because you feel that you are right and that's that. I may dislike Hart, but I don't let my dislike of him cloud my judgement. That interview blatantly proved to me that Hart is everything I said he was. I also won't dispute any of the facts that you posted minus the third one. After he took off for WCW, he never came back. I'll admit that I wasn't there for the lag time before he left for WCW, nor was I backstage to see, but I find it highly doubtable that he hung around to hang out with Vince and Hebner after the incident went down. Notice how only a part of the interview is posted and the rest in nothing other than opinions? Only a select few part of the interview shows Hart's reply. Thus making your so-called evidence fail. Bret did return, not as a worker, he just hung around backstage. He did pal around with a few wrestlers, and he was there mainly to see Owen. Alright then Mr. Know it all, send me a link to the entire interview, and while you're at it show me where it says Hart was around backstage "palling around" with the other supserstars. Show me where I'M wrong. This is exactly what I mean. That interview was ripped straight from somewhere, as I'm assuming most if not all of the mods in this guild get their news straight from the source. This "Jeckal vs Belmont" feud is getting old. You'll believe what you want no matter what, which to me seems that Hart was in the right, and his actions are totally justified, which is fine with me. I will continue to believe that Hart is a crybaby egotist. If you prove me wrong, I'll gladly eat the crow, and we can move on with our lives. You're, however, doing exactly what you claim me to be doing. Stating opinion. You've not once posted a fact that I can recall, unless I missed it, which is entirely possible.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Soothsayer Jeckal Vice Captain
|
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:49 pm
Lucias Evan Belmont Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont The "I'm Bret Hart and I can't be a professional so my boss did what was good for business" Screwjob will get brought up. I PROMISE you that. If HBK is on that card, he will get booed, and the chants of "We want Bret" and "You screwed Bret" will come about. The Canadian fans of WWE will NEVER get over that whole situation, nor will Hart. Is Vince milking that situation for all it's worth? You bet your a** he is. Vince is a businessman. Whatever puts asses in the seats, he'll do it. It really seems to me like Shawn, on or off camera, is the only person who has made any significant attempt to move on from what happened. As far as Bret doing the Hall of Fame for free, he did it as one final spit in the face to Michaels, McMahon, and the WWE as a whole. From what I gathered from the interview I read somewhere in this guild. He basically did it to say "******** you, I deserve this s**t, and Michaels and McMahon can kiss my a**." Way to go Bret. Way to be a winner. I'm getting just a tad bit fed up with the ignorance of your post concerning Bret. Note how Bret never once mention The Screwjob in his speech? Also if you get his DVD and the Magazine that comes with it He never mentions the Montral incedent until it is brought up by the interviewer. You seriously should check your facts. I know exactly how you will respond. You will sai that "You know what you saw and thats what you judge by" Then I will ask you "what your source is? Television characters or were you there?" Then you reply with more double talk avoiding the quastion, then I'll reply again and you usually say I'm wrong and you refuse to argue about it. Lets check the facts: Is Bret dragging on the incedent? No. Is Vince milking it? Yes. Is it True Bret never went back to the WWE after the Montreal incedent except for the DVD and HOF? No, Bret was backstage at multiple WWE tapings, chatting it up with Earl hebner, Vince McMahon and other superstars. He was there in support of Owen. Did Bret get paid for the Ceramony? No, Vince just covered the expenses of his flight and Hotel. Bret refused to acept a pay check because that would mean he was working on behalf of WWE again. In a 1999 Interview how did Bret react to the fans siding with him? Bret said he is flattered with the fans support, but also said none of them know the true facts behind such things, and in many ways he wishes they would forget about it. Did Jeckal listen to his idol? Hell no. Ignorance? In the guild, someone posted an interview with Hart after the Hall of Fame and it was blantantly clear to me that Hart isn't over the situation, nor will he ever be. You want facts, they're right here: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=2603823Bret doesn't mention the Screwjob because he knows that's what people want him to talk about. I'm not gonna act like I know Hart personally, but based on his behavior as of recently, I've come to the conclusions I have. I choose not to argue with you because you feel that you are right and that's that. I may dislike Hart, but I don't let my dislike of him cloud my judgement. That interview blatantly proved to me that Hart is everything I said he was. I also won't dispute any of the facts that you posted minus the third one. After he took off for WCW, he never came back. I'll admit that I wasn't there for the lag time before he left for WCW, nor was I backstage to see, but I find it highly doubtable that he hung around to hang out with Vince and Hebner after the incident went down. Notice how only a part of the interview is posted and the rest in nothing other than opinions? Only a select few part of the interview shows Hart's reply. Thus making your so-called evidence fail. Bret did return, not as a worker, he just hung around backstage. He did pal around with a few wrestlers, and he was there mainly to see Owen. Alright then Mr. Know it all, send me a link to the entire interview, and while you're at it show me where it says Hart was around backstage "palling around" with the other supserstars. Show me where I'M wrong. This is exactly what I mean. That interview was ripped straight from somewhere, as I'm assuming most if not all of the mods in this guild get their news straight from the source. This "Jeckal vs Belmont" feud is getting old. You'll believe what you want no matter what, which to me seems that Hart was in the right, and his actions are totally justified, which is fine with me. I will continue to believe that Hart is a crybaby egotist. If you prove me wrong, I'll gladly eat the crow, and we can move on with our lives. You're, however, doing exactly what you claim me to be doing. Stating opinion. You've not once posted a fact that I can recall, unless I missed it, which is entirely possible. If you cared to read all of what I said you would know, that the interview I am reffering too is in a WWE magazine that you get when you buy the Bret Hart DVD. Buy the DVD, or even just the magazine (as you can but it for like 5 bucks separately) I quote Quote: Your people would say I got more bitter after that, but thats really not fair and not true. I had shown up in Calgary a few weeks before, for the first time [since Montreal] I went backstage and saw Owen, and shook (referee) Earl Hebner's hand. I went there with no hard feelings, to say hi to everybody and accept what happened. I wanted to be on good terms with a lot of the people that were my friends, because I never got to say good bye to anybody. And then Owen died a few weeks later, and people would say after that I changed. Go eat your crow, Quote: I'm assuming most if not all of the mods in this guild get their news straight from the source. FYI. Jeckal is a mod in this guild. The head mod, so to speak. So that must mean I get my news straight from the source.
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:53 pm
Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont Soothsayer Jeckal I'm getting just a tad bit fed up with the ignorance of your post concerning Bret. Note how Bret never once mention The Screwjob in his speech? Also if you get his DVD and the Magazine that comes with it He never mentions the Montral incedent until it is brought up by the interviewer. You seriously should check your facts. I know exactly how you will respond. You will sai that "You know what you saw and thats what you judge by" Then I will ask you "what your source is? Television characters or were you there?" Then you reply with more double talk avoiding the quastion, then I'll reply again and you usually say I'm wrong and you refuse to argue about it. Lets check the facts: Is Bret dragging on the incedent? No. Is Vince milking it? Yes. Is it True Bret never went back to the WWE after the Montreal incedent except for the DVD and HOF? No, Bret was backstage at multiple WWE tapings, chatting it up with Earl hebner, Vince McMahon and other superstars. He was there in support of Owen. Did Bret get paid for the Ceramony? No, Vince just covered the expenses of his flight and Hotel. Bret refused to acept a pay check because that would mean he was working on behalf of WWE again. In a 1999 Interview how did Bret react to the fans siding with him? Bret said he is flattered with the fans support, but also said none of them know the true facts behind such things, and in many ways he wishes they would forget about it. Did Jeckal listen to his idol? Hell no. Ignorance? In the guild, someone posted an interview with Hart after the Hall of Fame and it was blantantly clear to me that Hart isn't over the situation, nor will he ever be. You want facts, they're right here: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=2603823Bret doesn't mention the Screwjob because he knows that's what people want him to talk about. I'm not gonna act like I know Hart personally, but based on his behavior as of recently, I've come to the conclusions I have. I choose not to argue with you because you feel that you are right and that's that. I may dislike Hart, but I don't let my dislike of him cloud my judgement. That interview blatantly proved to me that Hart is everything I said he was. I also won't dispute any of the facts that you posted minus the third one. After he took off for WCW, he never came back. I'll admit that I wasn't there for the lag time before he left for WCW, nor was I backstage to see, but I find it highly doubtable that he hung around to hang out with Vince and Hebner after the incident went down. Notice how only a part of the interview is posted and the rest in nothing other than opinions? Only a select few part of the interview shows Hart's reply. Thus making your so-called evidence fail. Bret did return, not as a worker, he just hung around backstage. He did pal around with a few wrestlers, and he was there mainly to see Owen. Alright then Mr. Know it all, send me a link to the entire interview, and while you're at it show me where it says Hart was around backstage "palling around" with the other supserstars. Show me where I'M wrong. This is exactly what I mean. That interview was ripped straight from somewhere, as I'm assuming most if not all of the mods in this guild get their news straight from the source. This "Jeckal vs Belmont" feud is getting old. You'll believe what you want no matter what, which to me seems that Hart was in the right, and his actions are totally justified, which is fine with me. I will continue to believe that Hart is a crybaby egotist. If you prove me wrong, I'll gladly eat the crow, and we can move on with our lives. You're, however, doing exactly what you claim me to be doing. Stating opinion. You've not once posted a fact that I can recall, unless I missed it, which is entirely possible. If you cared to read all of what I said you would know, that the interview I am reffering too is in a WWE magazine that you get when you buy the Bret Hart DVD. Buy the DVD, or even just the magazine (as you can but it for like 5 bucks separately) I quote Quote: Your people would say I got more bitter after that, but thats really not fair and not true. I had shown up in Calgary a few weeks before, for the first time [since Montreal] I went backstage and saw Owen, and shook (referee) Earl Hebner's hand. I went there with no hard feelings, to say hi to everybody and accept what happened. I wanted to be on good terms with a lot of the people that were my friends, because I never got to say good bye to anybody. And then Owen died a few weeks later, and people would say after that I changed. Go eat your crow, Quote: I'm assuming most if not all of the mods in this guild get their news straight from the source. FYI. Jeckal is a mod in this guild. The head mod, so to speak. So that must mean I get my news straight from the source. Also if you read the interview. Hart claims it was never his idea to leave, and I remember TNT doing a documentary before the collapse of WCW on hart, and said Vince pressured hart to leave because he was losing ratings to WCW, and Hart was basicly going to slack through his onw year contract, and hopefully bring down WCW's ratings. Then return to WWF. Hart even planned to kill off any heel/face heat he had in WWF by killing the Hitman persona and appologising for the comments he made about Americans, and even handing up the belt to Vince with his good bye speach. Thus making his debut in WCW nothimg more then mediocre. But Vince and Shawn had to screw him. Which ultamitely shot WCW's ratings up.
|
 |
 |
|
|
Soothsayer Jeckal Vice Captain
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:51 am
Soothsayer Jeckal Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont Soothsayer Jeckal Lucias Evan Belmont Ignorance? In the guild, someone posted an interview with Hart after the Hall of Fame and it was blantantly clear to me that Hart isn't over the situation, nor will he ever be. You want facts, they're right here: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=2603823Bret doesn't mention the Screwjob because he knows that's what people want him to talk about. I'm not gonna act like I know Hart personally, but based on his behavior as of recently, I've come to the conclusions I have. I choose not to argue with you because you feel that you are right and that's that. I may dislike Hart, but I don't let my dislike of him cloud my judgement. That interview blatantly proved to me that Hart is everything I said he was. I also won't dispute any of the facts that you posted minus the third one. After he took off for WCW, he never came back. I'll admit that I wasn't there for the lag time before he left for WCW, nor was I backstage to see, but I find it highly doubtable that he hung around to hang out with Vince and Hebner after the incident went down. Notice how only a part of the interview is posted and the rest in nothing other than opinions? Only a select few part of the interview shows Hart's reply. Thus making your so-called evidence fail. Bret did return, not as a worker, he just hung around backstage. He did pal around with a few wrestlers, and he was there mainly to see Owen. Alright then Mr. Know it all, send me a link to the entire interview, and while you're at it show me where it says Hart was around backstage "palling around" with the other supserstars. Show me where I'M wrong. This is exactly what I mean. That interview was ripped straight from somewhere, as I'm assuming most if not all of the mods in this guild get their news straight from the source. This "Jeckal vs Belmont" feud is getting old. You'll believe what you want no matter what, which to me seems that Hart was in the right, and his actions are totally justified, which is fine with me. I will continue to believe that Hart is a crybaby egotist. If you prove me wrong, I'll gladly eat the crow, and we can move on with our lives. You're, however, doing exactly what you claim me to be doing. Stating opinion. You've not once posted a fact that I can recall, unless I missed it, which is entirely possible. If you cared to read all of what I said you would know, that the interview I am reffering too is in a WWE magazine that you get when you buy the Bret Hart DVD. Buy the DVD, or even just the magazine (as you can but it for like 5 bucks separately) I quote Quote: Your people would say I got more bitter after that, but thats really not fair and not true. I had shown up in Calgary a few weeks before, for the first time [since Montreal] I went backstage and saw Owen, and shook (referee) Earl Hebner's hand. I went there with no hard feelings, to say hi to everybody and accept what happened. I wanted to be on good terms with a lot of the people that were my friends, because I never got to say good bye to anybody. And then Owen died a few weeks later, and people would say after that I changed. Go eat your crow, Quote: I'm assuming most if not all of the mods in this guild get their news straight from the source. FYI. Jeckal is a mod in this guild. The head mod, so to speak. So that must mean I get my news straight from the source. Also if you read the interview. Hart claims it was never his idea to leave, and I remember TNT doing a documentary before the collapse of WCW on hart, and said Vince pressured hart to leave because he was losing ratings to WCW, and Hart was basicly going to slack through his onw year contract, and hopefully bring down WCW's ratings. Then return to WWF. Hart even planned to kill off any heel/face heat he had in WWF by killing the Hitman persona and appologising for the comments he made about Americans, and even handing up the belt to Vince with his good bye speach. Thus making his debut in WCW nothimg more then mediocre. But Vince and Shawn had to screw him. Which ultamitely shot WCW's ratings up. Yet it has brought up new storylines for rascism as in Team Canada and Muhammad Hassan. Hell even the faction with Christian, Lance Storm, and Test, don't forget about Rene Dupree and Sylvan Grenier. THANK YOU WWE!
|
 |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|