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Well here is the deal:
- I came here and stated that I will be just looking around and I can not help you guys much except for some funding and a few ideas.
- I mentioned what I meant before and spoke up about how I felt this place was more propaganda and self-promotion.
- I mentioned how the front page was self-propaganda and placed a few corrections in spelling, though that is minor. My beef with it is that it was more of a "Join Me" rather than a group. Showing off as a signature. One person can disappear.
- Whatever happened to "I will not break faith". People did work around here and it was nice. I admired the projects that people like Lexi did for example.
- I did not really see much from the leadership in trying to do new programs or a follow through. Though INC is a good thing, I believe it is being headed by the VC.
- When one mentions that they will be the rallying point, make sure you can handle it. Else center it around a mule so that a post can actually be changed to reflect changes on what is going on.
- When doing an auction set definite dates and figure out what to do with the funds acquired.
- Try to be transparent to see exactly what is going on.
- I was glad that the Art Auction was started, but there is apparently no plans on what to do with that later. The Art Auction idea was a method done by AIR but I did tell others that such is merely the initial push. To make a guild such as this work, you best be able to have a genuine renewable funding source. Which is what the other LAID - the RE-LOADED one has been doing and planning while this was stuck in auction mode. Well technically it is my project and it seems my help flaked on me but still!! If one wishes to lead, one must provide an umbrella program to work with that would be the Hallmark of the group.
- In the end I came here to be an observer to see if this group will actually pan out. I am still with the FYA and AIR and the other LAID group. I have to admit that this guild has the most members out of any of them, but I do not see the use of being here if it becomes just like the other GAI/LAID before Re-Loaded.

I do like the fact that this place has a lot of members where an active discussion is going on. In that point, I will remain here. In that sense, I like the members, main leader needs to step up.

@Fai: Yeah, some people are inactive. But I'm not one of them. 3nodding I spend my time monitoring the marketplace and see if I can pick up any spikes in the prices. I run my 3k letter shop in my attempts to lower the price of sealed letters so that all of us can be happy with the fact that sealeds won't cost a person let's say 9k in the future.

I really never thought of issues like inflation. Before L.A.I.D all I did was sit around and ride the inflation, and cause a bit myself, to accomplish my goals if it mean the occassional screwing someone over. ^^;; But with this guild here, I've learned quite a bit.

No, mutiny is not needed.
I do not have a problem with LS, he just has to be bound by his own words. I can understand being busy. Though my suggestion has always been to have a mule to be the one starting up any thread outside of here. Since it needs to be changed now and then. Things like "Ending Dates", "highest bids" and "Updates".

That is the purpose of groups. Besides, I believe LS wanted to do what I do, which is direct and organize from behind a group or another leader.

Posting your name fully front and center makes a person the focal point. A person or main account can get busy, a mule can be accessed by a group. This is a group after all, not an organization promoting one name.

There are ways.
Leadership needs to give a program.
We have talked about certain things.

Suggestions of mine:
1 - Set-up a renewable source of funding
2 - The shop and price guide that comes with it is now in service, but that is INC.
3 - Set-up a means of keeping track of artificial inflators and those that gouge prices.

I am working on projects for those, but I am too busy to implement them currently. A few already know some of what I plan. I do not mind people taking my ideas, it is just that I want to be able to put them out first.

* gets eye ache *

Can someone do me a summary of whats being said... i might have to see someone about my eyes soon o.o

Laid domokun if you get some new blood in cool let me bite them.... to check they are fresh twisted

I agree. I know I've been pretty much useLESS since I've joined, but that's mainly because I thought this guild would teach me HOW to fight inflation instead of expect me to auction off art and then use the funds to by expensive items and resell it cheap.

My problem with the auction process is that:
1) I can't draw. At all. Therefore no funding from me.
2) Exchange whoring adds to the problem while combatting it, so all that really happens is we make a loss. The only person who benefits is whoever buys our item, and even then we run the probability of selling to an exchange whore, inflation rider, or worse, an AI-er.
3) I don't want to sell my stuff! I've been questing forever so what little I have in my inventory is what I WANT to own.

Other problems I think we have is that the Art Auction is run by DJ who (I think) also runs LAID. This is problematic because it doesn't make ppl think LAID is raising funds to combat inflation, it's just making ppl think DJ is running a great art auction OR DJ's a great guy for being anti-inflation. The cause is only in the bg, therefore, so apart from the work DJ does, nobody acknowledges or joins the cause.

I suggest we make ALL actions in the exchange, etc, run by L.A.I.D. itself, rather than do our own things and meet back here to discuss what we've done. I think it was xyzse who recommended using a mule? At the very least, our threads should say they're being run BY L.A.I.D. instead of your own thing (ie: instead of INC and then being affiliated with LAID, just be LAID).

I also think we should do a guide that EVERYBODY, not just members, should have access to seeing. That guide, like xyzse recommended, should be a list of Artificial Inflators. It could also have examples of what those people have been selling, at what prices, and what the prices of the non-inflated item should be.

We should also make a guide that warns people which items are being AI-ed. I think a thread in the exchange would be best, since not everbody in the exchange is a member of LAID. Here we'd simply sticky a post that has a link to the thread.

It should be noted that non-members should NOT be allowed to contribute info to those 2 guides. Any info would need to be verified by a member first, since non-members could simply be exchange whores trying to make it difficult for their competition.

I don't think talking behind lucifer's back is neccesary... sad
He should have access to this thread as well.
If we all are sharing our opinions, I don't think this thread was a very good idea.
We all need to pull together- that's the most important thing. The guild is so separated. This does not, however, rule out that the guild needs a leader, and it's Lucifer.
Inflation is a very hard thing to stop, because people won't stop buying things once they've reached a certain point, unless they have a really good reason not to. I agreed with Xyzse that we need more publicity and to get the word out there.

Besides, the more we boast and talk about how we will "bring those inflationists down" will give them even more cause to laugh, because that's impossible. We, ourselves, can only be good gains. But as a guild, we can make a difference. But this means we have to be dedicated, together, and focused. These are hard things to be static to when we all have busy outside lives. But I beleive that L.A.I.D. will make a difference. Do you see the progress we make in the sale of sealeds every month? It's great. If you want to see something drastic like horns suddenly going back down to 100k, it's not gonna happen. But more publicity means that maybe people will stop buying from the marketplace.
And I'm really thankful that we have such passionate people on our side, like King and Lucifer.

We all know deflation isn't going to be handed to us on a silver platter. So let's stop acting like it and start bumping threads, encouraging questers, and even selling sealeds for cheap if you want to spend gold. L.A.I.D., I feel, is mainly about being a good gaian, and supporting those who aren't as proficent in funds. That's what deflation means to me, and that's why I joined L.A.I.D., and it's why I have faith in it.