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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:38 am
Illegal Abortion Deaths Before Roe V. Wade
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We've all heard about the thousands of women who died from illegal, back alley abortions before Roe v Wade, right? Whenever any law on abortion is suggested, ardent pro-choicers can be heard decrying the terrible pain and suffering of thousands of women who died agonizingly of illegal, unsafe abortions pre-Roe.
These same people, who call themselves feminists, evidently have such a low view of women's intelligence and emotional strength that they assert that should abortion become illegal again, thousands more women would die of illegal abortions. This view assumes that women are not intelligent or emotionally stable enough to view their options and choose wisely. And they call us anti-feminists!
Be that as it may, let's examine the "Thousands of Illegal Abortion Deaths" argument through the lens of truth.
One often sees this argument presented by Planned Parenthood and other high profile abortion rights organizations. Here is one example:
Boston Globe columnist Ellen Goodman recently wrote, "After all, those of us who remember when birth control was illegal and when 10,000 American women a year died from illegal abortions don't have to imagine a world without choices. We were there."
Ok. Let's look at some statistics, and maybe we can determine what world Ellen Goodman was living in.In the year prior to Roe v. Wade (1972), the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports in their Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (Sept. 4, 1992, Vol. 41, No. SS-5) that 39 women died from illegal abortion in the U.S. (41 died that year from legal abortions- when abortion was only legal in New York and California). That is a far cry from 10,000. And note that more women died from legal abortions- something no one on the pro-choice sides ever admits to.
Mary Calderone, former director of Planned Parenthood, estimated in a July 1960 article from the American Journal of Public Health that 90% of all illegal abortions were performed by licensed physicians in good standing. She writes the following:
"Abortion is no longer a dangerous procedure. This applies not just to therapeutic abortions as performed in hospitals but also to so-called illegal abortions as done by physicians. In 1957 there were only 260 deaths in the whole country attributed to abortions of any kind. In New York City in 1921 there were 144 abortion deaths, In 1951 there were only 15; and, while the abortion death rate was going down so strikingly in that 30-year period, we know what happened to the population and the birth rate. Two corollary factors must be mentioned here: first, chemotherapy and antibiotics have come in, benefiting all surgical procedures as well as abortion. Second, and even more important, the conference estimated that 90 percent of all illegal abortions are presently being done by physicians. Call them what you will, abortionists or anything else, they are still physicians, trained as such; and many of them are in good standing in their communities. They must do a pretty good job if the death rate is as low as it is...abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous."
Yes, this was written by the director of Planned Parenthood. Now here is another quote by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, the co-founder of N.A.R.A.L. (now the National Abortion Rights Action League) and instrumental in lobbying for legal abortion.
"How many deaths were we talking about when abortion was illegal? In N.A.R.A.L., we generally emphasized the drama of the individual case, not the mass statistics, but when we spoke of the latter it was always "5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year." I confess that I knew the figures were totally false, and I suppose the others did too if they stopped to think of it. But in the "morality" of our revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics? The overriding concern was to get the laws eliminated, and anything within reason that had to be done was permissible."
This was quoted in Dr. Nathanson's book Aborting America
Interestingly,
"Between 1967 and 1970 sixteen states legalized abortion. In most it was limited, only for rape, incest and severe fetal handicaps or deformities, and when the pregnancy jeopardized the life of the mother (all of which constitute only 5% of the abortion cases today). There were two notable exceptions - California in 1967 and New York in 1970 legalized abortion on demand.
Legalizing abortion should have eliminated some deaths related to illegal abortions. That is not the case. In the years from 1963-1969, there were an average of approximately 55 deaths per year due to illegal abortions. In 1970, after this initial wave of laws legalizing abortions, there were 109. Deaths from abortions increased.
Some have claimed that the number of illegal abortion-related deaths were not reported accurately or underreported. Yet, when a woman was seriously injured by an abortion, she went to another doctor for care. The abortion practitioner was rarely involved at that point. The new doctor in many cases had to attempt to save the mother's life. In cases of maternal death, this new doctor was required to report, and falsification of the death certificate was a felony. Therefore, prior to legalization of abortion, it's safe to say deaths from illegal abortions were rarely covered up."
From "The Myth of Mass Back-Alley Abortion Deaths" at http://www.vanderbilt.edu/sfl/illeg.htm which cited:
Abortion Surveillance 1985, Center for Disease Control, Table #18.
Induced Abortion: World Review 1983, by Christopher Tietze, The Population Council, p 103
Maternal Mortality Surveillance 1979-1986, Centers for Disease Control, M&M Weekly report July 1991, Vol. 40, No. SS-1.
source: http://www.clinicquotes.com/page21.html
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:09 am
God talk about exageration... rounding up to the nearest 10,000 were they?
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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:57 am
yeah, and the whole "FCOA" uses those numbers. rolleyes
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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:59 am
Broorel yeah, and the whole "FCOA" uses those numbers. rolleyes Hmmm...if their bill does go in, who hears it first? The house, right? Rebs have controel of the house, do they not....wait...even if they did, those rebs are weak minded.
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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:33 pm
Didn't those Jane people say that they had safe illegal abortions where they only had one woman die? So what's the problem? Go with Jane. Either they're lying or these guys are lying, but they can't keep having it both ways.
Besides, they obviously don't think women are strong enough to deal with life and think women need to kill to solve problems. They think women NEED abortions in order to get by and that killing children is a necessary evil. Women are obviously too weak to handle what life throws at them without killing their offspring. That's why we NEED abortion. We aren't STRONG enough to deal with life the way most people can.
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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:59 pm
how powerfully feminist they are neutral rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:42 pm
lymelady Didn't those Jane people say that they had safe illegal abortions where they only had one woman die? So what's the problem? Go with Jane. Either they're lying or these guys are lying, but they can't keep having it both ways. Besides, they obviously don't think women are strong enough to deal with life and think women need to kill to solve problems. They think women NEED abortions in order to get by and that killing children is a necessary evil. Women are obviously too weak to handle what life throws at them without killing their offspring. That's why we NEED abortion. We aren't STRONG enough to deal with life the way most people can. Now that sounds like what I call anti-woman (yet they call us that?). Woman were ment to carry a birth babies, that's why they created birth control to help prevent that. Even if you don't like it that is just fact. To want everyone woman to abort cause they don't want it sounds like it goes against being a woman. We can't help we were created to create and carry babies, it's to keep the population from dying out altogether. That doesn't mean all are lifes are ruined or me can't get a job we want or go to school cause of a child. There are places that are willing to help and you can always give it up for adoption. Despite what they say I know plenty of people that were adopted and are happy.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:21 pm
yes, that aspect of feminism is unrealistic and escapist... it is in essence, denying the fact that men and women are biologically different. don't get me wrog, that doesn't mean they should be moraly, socially, economically or in any non-physical way different, it is just a fact, like how a circle is more round than a square. it's neither good nor bad, just fact.
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