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Which of the following is your favorite?
The Phantom of the Opera by Gaston Leroux
39%
 39%  [ 16 ]
Phantom by Susan Kay
19%
 19%  [ 8 ]
Phantom of Manhatten
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
The ALW musical
36%
 36%  [ 15 ]
The Lon Chaney movie
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Other
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 41


Thorn Venatrix

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:11 pm


I was wondering, although I've heard tell of them, I haven't actually noticed anyone here who was obviously a purist, or even someone who prefered the original book over the ALW version and the Susan Kay version.

I myself am not really a purist, although I do prefer the original novel, simply because I just love everything about Erik in that one. In the musical, Erik is a bit whiny, but even that I liked better than (please don't flame me) the Susan Kay version. Erik doesn't strike me as a druggie and I sincerely doubt that he would have impregnated Christine. And then Phantom of Manhatten was okay but ditto about the (SPOILER!) impregnating Christine issue. (END SPOILER!) The movie which seemed to best portray the book was the original.

So I decided to ask, does anyone here hate either or both the ALW and the Susan Kay versions? Are there those who *gasp!* don't prefer the half-mask concept? And do any of you who simply like the original novel the best, and are indifferent to the others versions?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:16 pm


I do like the original novel, but I treat my copy of Susan Kay's book like a bible. After reading it I was unable to see the movie without thinking about all they did wrong (though the original helped there) I am in love with the full mask (It's just better)

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BalletRat

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:14 pm


I prefer Leroux. It's the original and in my opinion the best. Anything else, I don't consider true canon. I'm not an absolute purist, because I still accept most other things (except Phantom of Manhatten. Man that book is horrible.). And Erik does strike me as someone who would use drugs, especially while composing and stuff. But when I write fanfic or anything like that, I use Leroux, with only one exception.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:21 pm


I loved the orignal book. But they were missing something. Music. I can't see really get into a book about an opera without hearing something. The book is great but it simple can't capture the imagionation as well without the music. When I read the book the first time I didn't get the sense he was a music genius. Or of how good he was. But after I watched the movie I understood a bit better.

Still I think it take a mixture of all of them to truely understand and appreciate Erik.

Yukirashitoe


Kaiser-chan

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:45 pm


I have things I like and dislike about all of them. What you say about Kay's novel hits right on the head of my annoyances with it, along with others, but the original has it's flaws as well. The musical, well... I'm no musician, but ALW's flaws as a composer are a little obvious at some points. I'm not familiar with the other versions, sadly.

I most prefer Kay's novel because reading is my main pleasure, and she writes in a fashion that just makes me fall in love. The story sucks me in, draws me into the action - I can see, feel, experience the story. Leroux's original novel is so clinical, so dry, I have to put myself into to experience it. (I once had a real good conversation on another novel that I thought was written the same way - House of Leaves - that brought up the same thing) While on one hand, I can understand how a writing style like this would let the reader put their own interpretations on the novel, I've always preferred the richly textured style of writing that just makes me feel like I'm there. Leroux didn't make me cry. ALW didn't make me cry. Kay made me cry. The whole last four chapters or so I couldn't stop crying, whereas the other two versions didn't do half so much to me.

So I much prefer Kay's storytelling ability, though in it's own way, I think that the musical is superb as well. You cannot tell a story about music without having music at all - I listened to music while reading the story, just because I had to have it there. And in truth, I really only feel that Raoul is an interesting character in the musical - he annoys the heck out of me in the other versions even after rereads, while upon multiple viewings of the movie, I found myself really thinking that Raoul had some redeeming features. Or, at least, wasn't a cheap plot device.

Leroux's story... well, the others wouldn't be there if not for it, right? And I think if not for Leroux's documentary-type-style of writing, the others wouldn't be originals, either. There wouldn't be room for making them different, for while I don't find Leroux's version anywhere near as pretty or as human as the others, it's got the backbone. Without the skeleton, a person is kinda... bad off. xD
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:50 pm


I havn't read the Susan Kay version yet. I wouldn't exactly call myself a 'purist', I loved the movie and I'm guessing that I'd love the musical as well (seeing as it's practically the same), but I don't really think of it as Phantom. More like a very good fanfic. And nice as fanfiction is, it is not the real story. If the story was a true story (which we all like to think it was) then only the original is going to be close to what actually happened.
So yeah. Yay for Leroux!

Kalista Fick


trackstar06

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:58 am


i saw the 2004 -2005 movie first, so i love it the best. however, i love the g.l. book, because it explains certain things in the book. i haven't seen anyhting else. and i love the half mask...it adds mystery...and it's sexy...
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:08 pm


I'm...eh...kind of a purist. Gaston Leroux's novel is my bible. It lives on my nightstand. X3

I'll admit that I'm not to fond of ALW. I love the music, but it's just not true enough to the story. I think he dumbed down Erik too much, and made him look more like just some sexy guy who had some s**t happen. In my opinion, Erik should be quite angry, scary, even pretty crazy. I still love him dearly, of course, but I don't think ALW, Susan Kay, etc. capture him enough. I guess I'm kind of a purist on that level. I'm also upset with ALW being so anti-persian. D:

But heck, I love anything and everything related to Phantom. Except maybe Fredrick Forsyth. >_>

scrutinize


Unromantic_Phantom
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:00 pm


I must admit that I didn't like all the stuff in Susan KAy's novel about the drugs. Another thing I didn't like in that book were the heart attacks she gave him. In LEroux's novel we are never given anything specific to tell us the cause of his death, but the coughing fit he has at the Persian's might indicate an infection of the lungs. That seems to be a more plausible explanation than a heart condition when one takes into account where Erik lives. He lives underground and next to a lake.

We never get to know enough about Leroux's Erik because we never really get to go inside Erik's mind, and because up until the last couple of chapters we are hearing about him from other people's point of view. The other characters talk about him from the way they perceive him. Never do we get anything from Erik's perception. I have to say that the original is still my preferred version.

ALW's is never given a name, which just annoys me. In the movie he was not deformed enough, but I've got to admit that I like the music. I don't like to read about music. I prefer hearing it, and ALW gives us that...Plus I like the half-mask.

I'm not overly familiar with other versions, but I've heard many bad things about Phantom of Manhatten.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:09 pm


I first and formost I prefer the original novel- it was my first incounter with anything Phantom and is still the best of anything Phantom, if you ask me. After all, it's the first. I'm not a purist in the since that I dislike or am super picky about everything else Phantom that is not related to the Novel. I bend a little (and sometimes a lot) in favor of anything related to the story as long as those things related attempt to be the best and reflects on the original in a good light. So if there was this crappy directed movie with horrible acting, and nothing like the original plot claiming it's Phantom of the Opera- I won't like it. I'd be insulted as a Phan.

Gosh. It's kinda hard to exsplain.

Geez I can't spell today...

Red Scully


Polan

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:48 pm


I do not consider myself a purist, though often times, I find any books based on Erik's life to be...tedious. I feel that the only actually enjoyable piece of fiction about Erik's life is Phantom by Susan Kay. It was just different I suppose.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:41 pm


I obviously love the original novel the most, but I love the ALW musical/movie, the Lon Channey movie (even if I havent seen it yet), the Susan Kay novel, and anything POTO related that is enjoyable.

Kitsune Ookami
Crew


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:13 pm


Like many here it seems, I like the original novel best as well. Although I was introduced to most other versions before the original written text, I fell in love with it soon after I began reading. My heart aches for Leroux's Erik, really and truly. Some versions turn him into such a heartless b*****d but in the original his love for Christine truly shines. The ending makes me sob every time I read it! I will admit though, sometimes Leroux's narratives were too much for me. If it wasn't about the love triangle, I would get bored. XD But that's just me.

However, I can't deny that I love the 2004 movie/musical. The music was beautiful and I can't get enough of it; I get on binges where it's all I listen to when I'm at home. Leroux's Erik and the Phantom were very different though, and that grates on my nerves. The Phantom wasn't deformed enough as far as I'm concerned. They talk about how his face is "hardly a face" and I'm just like ...riiiiight. I can't deny that Gerard Butler was nice to look at but still. XD

I would like to see a good movie version of PotO that isn't a musical, and is centric of Lexoux's novel. The Lon Chaney version is good yes but it's also in black&white and a silent film. XD It would be interesting to see the living corpse with the death's head that Leroux first told tales of. Oooh.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:27 pm


I love the book, the original, but that is just how I am. I love all the classic literature, this being one of my favourites of all times. And as a musician I have to say I have a deep deep love for the musicals and all music by Andrew Lloyd Webber

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:50 am


I predicted five months before that new PotO movies came out that there would be a large new gathering of phans after it's release. ...and I was right. All the new phans make me giddy whee Spread the love!

I prefer the the original musical myself. Somehow Gerard Butler just doesn't seem... right... for Erik. Now, Michael Crawford... that voice! EEE! *clings to his leg*
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