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thecountdown

PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:28 pm


I made a thread in ED about the Canadian decision to refuse the Missile Defence System. The response was overwhelmingly liberal despite my poll showing at least 1/3 of the people that read the thread was for it.

I would like to get some Conservative Responses to the issue. If you want to participate in the original thread, it can be found at
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6370142


Or you can reply in this thread.


Original Tread Premise:
Quote:
I'm Canadian and I was for the Missile Defense System. It was something that the US would pay for and would only serve to protect our people.

I'm wondering what the Americans think of us now.

Questions:
1) Do you think Canada made a wise decision?
2) Do you think there were ulterior motives on either side? (Canada for its refusal, US for wanting Canada in)
3) do you think this will affect Can-US relations?


If you are Canadian or American, I would especially love to hear what you think.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:24 pm


I wouldn't be much of a help. My opinion on the matter is that Canada can kiss our arse. They can go sit on it and rotate when a missile is on the way, because we'll fire anyway. The real question is whether they want to be our friends or our enemies when it happens.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:39 pm


I replied in the original thread but I'll go ahead and share it here too.

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I'm Canadian and I was for the Missile Defense System. It was something that the US would pay for and would only serve to protect our people.

I'm wondering now what the Americans think of us now.


If you are Canadian or American, I would especially love to hear what you think.


I don't hold any particular grudge against Canada or Canadians for not being a part of it. It was a decision largely arrived at due to domestic pressures rather then foreign policy concerns in my opinion. It seems to suggest that Canada is following the French mode of relations with the United States then the British mode and that will not win alot of foreign policy points with the United States.

This difference requires a little backround so I'll start here. In Does America Need a Foreign Policy?, Henry Kissinger writes,

Quote:
Britian pursues its interests by making itself so much a part of the decision-making process that to disregard its views is almost embarrasing. France has pursued its interests by making it too painful to ignore them. Britian has treated Atlantic relations as a common enterprise; French leaders, flaunting their independence, conduct them as a zero sum game in which one side of the Atlantic or the other is bound to have the upper hand.


Britian gets alot more respect in terms of regard by the United States in conducting foreign policy because it makes itself a partner. France makes itself the outsider by acting like a roadblock.

I see Canada's decision as one driven by domestic policy, a chance to be in opposition to the United States and express displeasure with it's neighbors to the south over other mostly unrelated but vexing issues between the United States and Canada, rather then a rational foreign policy decision in terms of national security or advancing Canada's interests in terms of foreign policy. I seem to recall reading that some members of the Canadian military had been quietly urging the Canadian government to support the United States on the issue because it would have reflected the British mode of relations with the United States: make Canada a part of the dialoge regarding BMD rather then being shut out of the process, as will happen now.

US expectations of Canada under BMD would have been minimal I would expect: I can't see the United States hitting Canada up for much of the cost of the system itself nor of the placement of intercepters on Canadian soil in any significant numbers, if at all. The most I think the United States would have expected would have been the shared use of radar systems that already exist as a part of NORAD. What the United States wanted most from Canada was in all likelyhood was a soft power affermation of support on the issue, moral support if you will.

BMD will in all likelyhood still go forward. Both Clinton and Bush have made significant commitments to the issue and it has become part of the political dialoge in the United States that opposition to it would be quite politically difficult to maintain domestically here in the United States. I think it may have been a bad decision on Canada's part to reject the overture: while it may win the current government some points with the Canadian public who don't support BMD and have axes to grind against the United States, it has significantly damaged Canada's standing with the current administration that was already on a very shaky foundation in regards to other issues such as trade and foreign policy and has made it easier for the United States to disregard Canada.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:18 pm


german_bar_wench
I wouldn't be much of a help. My opinion on the matter is that Canada can kiss our arse. They can go sit on it and rotate when a missile is on the way, because we'll fire anyway. The real question is whether they want to be our friends or our enemies when it happens.


I 100% agree with your statement, and I am a Canadian. I am ashamed of our sorry excuse of a country.

Zombambie


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:19 pm


german_bar_wench
I wouldn't be much of a help. My opinion on the matter is that Canada can kiss our arse. They can go sit on it and rotate when a missile is on the way, because we'll fire anyway. The real question is whether they want to be our friends or our enemies when it happens.

ouch! way to generalize! here lemme help: LIBERAL Canadians can sit on it and rotate. The American Gov't should really re-propose this idea when our conservatives grow some back bone and our liberals become more right sided.
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:16 pm


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german_bar_wench
I wouldn't be much of a help. My opinion on the matter is that Canada can kiss our arse. They can go sit on it and rotate when a missile is on the way, because we'll fire anyway. The real question is whether they want to be our friends or our enemies when it happens.

ouch! way to generalize! here lemme help: LIBERAL Canadians can sit on it and rotate. The American Gov't should really re-propose this idea when our conservatives grow some back bone and our liberals become more right sided.
You weren't helpful at all, and I reject your "help". I reiterate that CANADA CAN SIT ON IT AND ROTATE WHEN A MISSILE IS ON THE WAY. Their government, and thereby Canada, opposed us, and that's what counts in this instance. What the Canadian people think of it is irrelevant, just as the opinions of the USian people are irrelevant when it comes to how the government operates.

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:31 pm


Canada's foriegn policy has generally been "Let the MIGHTY Americans" handle it. Any foreign power invades Canada, they know US wouldnt brook an invasion so close to thier territory.

Frankly, there's not much we can do on the issue. We would get too much "backwash" from any sort of WMD attack that we can afford to ignore Canada. We already are thier fallback mechanism for when thier socialized medicine fails thier citizens, I guess this is little different (shrugs).
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:11 pm


Canada has yet agian opposed us. They anger me agian. Of course I'm still sore from them sending troops to fight for south viatnam and shoving money into the north viatnamese pockets

Kension Hemora


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:01 pm


The problem with Canada is that they basically use use as a shield, as we're basically the biggest country in the area. Sure, Canada's big, bunch most of it is goose crap and geese (no offense Canadians) and also, the econemy is screwed. What's the exchange rate now-a-days?
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