Bryan: Alright, so we've got this match here--And some backstage stuff, but we're going to start with the match first.

Dave: Can I just say something about this--

Bryan: Hold on, because--

Dave: Let me. Let me just say something here. Let me just say, the Video Review thing?

Bryan: Ok, so that's what I was going to bring up. So we've been spending weeks, MONTHS building up this. They brought Palmer Cannon in, they do all this phony back office stuff with MMi--

Dave: And that's a Russo thing, I mean, bringing in all these older guys. All the inside stuff. We saw this in 2016, which people always act like was this big money angle and I mean, yeah, for 2016 it was. But if you're looking at numbers, you know, and you look at the, well you know, there's streaming and advertising, and then there's the rights fee's, I mean, like, compared to a few years ago? I mean compared to now, yeah, but compared to like, 2011? So they're bringing in all these old guys, basically trying to do the same thing they do like, I mean like, like, what are you guys even... I mean it's like. I don't know. You would think if they wanted to, I know, you mean. You'd think they would. Well for starts, there's like a whole list of things they could do to try to salvage... To try to salvage, whatever it was they had when, I don't know. You'd think-

Bryan: You would think they would build up new stars, you would think they would stop leaning on nostalgia acts, throwing in all these stipulations--Can we talk about the Video Assistant referee now?

Dave: Oh yeah, the video assistant referee. Yeah.

Bryan: So they spend MONTHS building this up. I mean MONTHS. Like, none of us knew Summer's was coming back, none of us knew Hiro was coming back. Really, the draw of this match coming in is the Video Assistant Referee. So we get to the first, what, 5 minutes of the match?

Dave: And they get rid of the gimmick! Could you believe that?! Here I was thinking, man, I really wonder how this video assistant referee is going to factor into the finish, you know? Like, god, I remember there were so many guys who had talked about the video assistant referee thing throughout the years. I mean you know, there was Watts. And then all those times in Japan.

Bryan: Right, so they go to ringside and right off the bat they destroy the Video Assistant Referee. Dave, it almost looks like they kind of booked themselves into a corner. Why would you introduce this, this, stipulation, and then not even have it factor into the finish?! I mean, the way it ended, it just made both of these guys look like GEEKS

Dave (clearing this throat): Hey, I, look, uh, I really hate to speculate. All I'll say is, I heard some things from a backstage perspective, form an office perspective... But ummmm... And uh... Yeah, mean, it is what it is. There's people saying they changed the finish on the fly, that there were issues between Summers camp and Hiro's. And maybe there wasn't, but it's WWFG. That's all you can really say about it, no... No no no, that's not right, I mean there's other stuff too. But, ummm.. Yeah I mean there's that and then the stuff with the PAW Championship--

Bryan: You mean the legal stuff? Oh man. I woke up this morning, and I was just getting BLOWN UP. Can you please explain why we're bringing back titles from dead companies AGAIN?! Is this Russo?? This reeks of Vince Russo. But before we get to that, uh, so yeah DJ Killa Kyle comes out. Goes into business for himself. Match kind of falls apart, we covered that earlier. So the--

Dave:--Ok so the deal with PAW is this. The Freakshow estate had physical possession of the title at the time of the companies closing. I guess you guys know with Freakshow, basically the deal is, you know, he came into all the territories when they were on his way out and was basically, well, I mean, was he the guy? Maybe not at the time, he was a guy. And he got a push. But to do this revisionist history thing, I mean, it's like, well, yeah, you were there, but if you read any of these guys books, watch any of their interviews, I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, Russo acts like he was best friends with these guys. And part of it is, you know, he always told people he was around a lot longer than he really was, but it's like, man, for YEARS that's all you would hear from him: "I'm from OECW. I'm from PAW. I'm from RWA. I'm from SWA." When you were there for what, like a year before they went out of business?

I guess it was enough for Summers, who he meets in FWD on his comeback tour, pitches him as this hot young prospect and he's the guy that's going to take him to the top yadda yadda. It's like, dude, he's like 2-3 years younger than him and you're acting like he's like this fresh... You know what it's like? You know what it's... It's like that movie. What's the movie, with Kerry Washington in it?

Bryan: Little Man. John Witherspoon was in it. Great movie.

Dave: Oh yeah. Really great movie. So they bring in Summers.

Bryan: Ok, so then you bring in Brantley Summers--

Dave: Ok, well wait, let me get back to the belt. So, the company that actually owns the belt, Summers, he now has the physical belt, but I mean the company that owns the uhh... The uhhhh.... What do you call it...... Bryan help me out here.... The uhhhh.... The rights.... The rights to the belt. well they put out a press release exercising their claim over the belt. No cease and desist. No legal action. Just saying, hey, you guys have your version of the belt and we have our version with its own rules and regulations?? Makes sense?? So they upload that, they actually posit to the PAW geocities page, and then the WWFG office just goes NUTS.

Bryan: What, so you're telling me, the PAW Crimson King Title, that's being held by Brantley Summers, isn't the real PAW Crimson King Title.

Dave: I mean, yes and no. Yes and no. On one hand, it is the PAW Crimson King Title in the sense that it physically is in the state of being of the PAW Crimson King Title. It's the same one Freakshow held. However, WWFG is not comfortable with showing the intellectual property of another organization, so they've taken it upon themselves to start blurring out the title until some kind of settlement is reached. What that means for Summers? Who knows. You know, I always thought he had something when he did that Monk gimmick, I always said--

Bryan: Oh, here we go...

Dave: No, I mean, I mean it! I mean, you see him now, and it's like, ok, I get it, or even in his "prime," it's like, yeah, we get it. You know, he kind of has his "Brantley Summers match," that he has with basically everyone. We've all seen it. We all know the beats. It's very paint by numbers. You can plug anyone into that and it works. But when he was The Hardcore Monk?! Man, now that guy was one of the best workers you'll ever seen? I mean I get it, I get it, guy was in development for what like 8 years? You get to the main event, you start making money, you work I different style. I get it. I get it. Trust me. I get it. I mean I used to talk to guys who, well this is from a completely different time. But I knew these guys, was it back in, 07, 06? I wanna say it was in California? Bryan, do you remember that time?--

Bryan: Dave, can we just, can we, can we circle back on this? I just want to do like, 30 seconds on Fox getting eaten by Lions in the zoo.

Dave (crossing his arms, pouting a little): Fine...