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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:30 pm
The pocketwatch ticked Faustite's time away while he poured over endless texts. recued from various libraries were moral dissertations given by several famous philosophers: Hume, Rousseau, Descartes, Locke, Beckwith, Moreland, Frankfurt and more. Some books offered compilations of different viewpoints into a cohesive, persuasive piece while others amounted to biographies of the given philosopher. He found outlooks on personhood as tied to autonomy, or to biology, or to responsibility alone. Each of these books lay open, with sticky tabs forming their own confetti party along the edges of the pages. Some stacked atop one another for similarity's sake. Others stacked atop one another because his small wedge of decorative retaining wall proved insufficient for desk purposes.
After an hour spent combing proofs and concepts and factual dilemmas, Faustite felt no closer to grasping the concept of personhood. The fundamental questions that plagued him still found no answer, given all the vastly differing viewpoints scattered about his wedge of space. Alan Dershowitz wanted to consider animals persons, while others like Peter Singer preferred only highly specialized animal cases as humans. Faustite found no common ground. Certainly, he found no ground addressing the prospects of youma and amalgamations of human and youma.
He found no mention of generals or captains or lieutenants, either.
But in order to make determinations on more complex subjects, he needed a baseline. He needed a trustworthy enough definition by which to judge himself and others. Some enemies viewed him as a beast for his malign biology, while others still recognized him as a person by his … what? Why would they judge him passable as a person when others avoided it? The headache only grew.
Tossing his pencil into the spine of one of the books, Faustite paused to rub his eyes. The search led nowhere. Perhaps he wasted the better part of the day consulting old white guys for answers when he should've been asking his fellow Negaverse agents. No one knew the intricacies of personhood better than those trained to dehumanize while also making use of ex-humans.
While he loathed resorting to chance encounters, Faustite needed to solicit the next Captain or better who walked through his part of the Cathedral. His wan choice of contacts proved dismal at best for philosophical meanderings.xtorvil lmk if changes are needed
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:04 pm
Leucite had not taken to walking through the cathedral much. As of late, he either in his office, overseeing the Training Corps, or working to keep his gym going as a civilian. His recent marriage had done little to change his schedule, save that he did try to make a concentrated effort to spend more time with his wife - likely to her chagrin, but he had yet to hear any complaints as of yet. But since the cathedral of the castle was technically hallowed Leucite walked through it, Rosary in hand, rolling the rough stones between his fingers, remembering the seven long days in the Rift, the wounds sustained, and how light he had felt coming away from the ordeal. It had been what had propelled him onward - and he was thankful for it. Turning to head out of the building he passed by a table stacked with books, at it seated a Captain - one of the youma-merged ones at that. Leucite’s eyes glided over the books and he was reminded of all the philosophy courses he took in college, cashing in on the fact that his fine arts degree allowed him to swap “logic” courses for his math requirement. Which he’d happily done. “Fancied a bit of light reading?” He asked the Captain. “Surprised there isn’t any Plato in there…”
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:13 pm
Faustite found, pleasantly enough, that he needn't wait to hail the nearist auric source his way. The general approached of his own accord. To this, Faustite reluctantly offered a salute; while he did not relish his middling location in Negaverse hierarchy, he know to at least respect the punishments. "Hello, General."
And while he searched his exhausted wit for a pithy remark, none came forth from the convoluted sea of moral conundrums. His mouth opened, paused, and thinking better of it, Faustite shut his mouth with a sigh. "Yes," he answered at last. Bitterness laced his voice. "If there's no Plato, I'm sure someone else referenced him at least six times…" But the comment was moot; he remembered enough of the life he led to recognize small talk. Code words embedded in blithe phrases. Nuances leading to real conversation. Answering literal with rhetorical only held so much charm.
Faustite attempted to sit back — an outmoded habit — and his pipes struck the back of the wall jarringly. Setting his jaw, he returned to the edge of his seat. More remained of his old life than he thought.
"I need to ask you something." He shut one of the books flippantly. The thud held weight enough to echo through the large room, its sonance crawling toward the shattered ceiling. "What does it mean to be a person? I've been looking through answers in all the names I could find." A brandished sticky revealed a number of last names, all printed in meticulous handwriting. "But they all contradict one another."
He scoffed, bit back a laugh. "Maybe it's a pointless question."
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:40 am
The salute earned one back in return. “As you were, Captain, this isn’t an inspection.” Leucite said good naturedly, nodding his head as he stood there, looking over the stacks of books and their numerous sticky notes. He listened to Faustite’s bitter tone, grinning as remembered the long nights of pouring over text after text looking for the proper quotation to argue your point. He much preferred painting. Art history and theory had sucked though. You could only look at so many classics before realizing the medieval and renaissance painters were just making bible fanart. An amusing thought in its own right. Given the material on the table, the half-youma’s question should not have been a surprise - but the bluntness of it caught him by surprise. His fingers gripped the rough beads of his Rosary. “An interesting question, and one we have been trying to answer since we could reason,” Leucite said, looking at the stack of books. “In truth, the answer depends on who you ask - that is the nature of philosophy, Captain.” “Like the Buddhists and their koans, there is no right answer. Oh - doubtless, some will argue that theirs is the right way - because that is how ego works, but that’s a completely different argument.” Leucite added, before shifting his weight to his other foot. “Why, is the question you should be asking - and the one I ask you now. Why this question? What is it about it that has its claws in you and won’t let go?” Leucite had his own opinions - dogmatic ones - opinions he tended to keep close to his chest. But if pressed, he would make them known.
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:06 pm
Faustite bit back a response; he traced the general's features for answers. You say that now.
"No. There aren't right answers. I'm looking for good ones." The restless captain plyed pencil between fingers to endless repetition. Painted wood became a fan of yellow for how quickly he maneuvered it, until it snapped in hand to wincing result. Breathing a huff, he retired the pieces. When did he chew through it so thoroughly? He never once entertained such a base habit. "I'm looking for answers that weigh youma. But Descartes and Rousseau and Hobbes never met one before. None of these make mention of youma. Of starseeds. Of the difference between powered entities and civilians and transhumanism. There's so much left to question that a book can't answer."
Faustite set to work closing each respectable tome, and stacking each on the floor near his foot. Doing so freed space for the other officer, irrespective of bid for seating. Old philosophers failed to meet expectation, regardless; their services were no longer needed.
"Why this question," he echoed. The boy straightened, head cocked flippantly, as if lost in a teenaged daydream. Black eyes tracked unseen thought patterns across the ceiling. Smoke at his back spooled out in slow, ineffectual streams. When he spoke, he caught a laugh before it could stray far from his lips. "My general… Is quick to remind me that the law applies only to humans. To people. That —" he clicked his tongue in abhorrence of the word, "— amalgamations like myself aren't covered by the law, so she can treat me as she sees fit. And she isn't the only one that acts that way. I've met knights and senshi that look at me as a beast. Officers too." He closed eyes to the prospect.
"But some still treat me like… I want to say a 'person'. That should be the right word. They give me respect. What I look like doesn't matter because I reached their muddy qualifiers for sentience." He snorted.
"I need these answers for questions beyond myself. I need to know — are youma people? Are officers dehumanized by their crimes? How far does personhood go? Where does it end? What can we dominate without need for conscience?
"If I'm going to look at the world my own way, then I need examples. You've faced these questions before, haven't you?" Unlike these simpering, empty shells we call comrade. Chrysocolla wouldn't know personhood if it killed her and ate her starseed.torvil i'm seeing your quote, but for some reason gaia is not giving me notifications for this rp at all!
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:14 pm
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them,” Leucite said, not moving from his place. I “And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so,” He continued with a nod. “Humans, are human. I am human,” he said as he placed a hand on his chest. “God willing, I will remain so until the day I die.” “Others, by either their own foolishness, neglect, or willingness, have shed that humanity - and have merged themselves with that which man was never meant to mingle. They have taken the forms and powers of the angelic - becoming nephilim - abominations.” “Don’t mistake me - an officer is an officer - and sometimes a job needs someone inhuman. Even humans can be monsters, but they never stop being human in their core. It is that nuance, the duality of man, that allows us all to cloak ourselves in greys and function,” he added dryly. “Youma bend their will to humans - as God willed. For humans were wrought in his image. We control them, as God decried for his greatest of children.” He brought the Rosary in view then. “It is by his grace that when I die I shall go to purgatory, and eventually - in time - heaven. Or if I am too wrathful, perhaps a seat in hell awaits me, but I have his sweet forgiveness, and so I must choose accordingly, and repent. For I am a sinner.” Leucite continued. “Half-youma - being an abomination - are free to do as they will, with no guilt or need to beg The Father’s grace. For when they die they shall be cast into the pit. They should take solace in that. Their life is easily led.” He added with a firm nod. “But, that is not to say I don’t respect them - or that they should not be respected. They are officers, due the respect of their rank and service. This is more important above such trivialities of personhood. Even people can be fashioned into tools, after a fashion.” He continued. “But only we officers have been blessed with the powers granted to us by Queen Metallia - The Living Saint. An officer is due respect as per their rank. Then the corrupt senshi, and then our enemies… It is by that truth that I chose to live by, rather than the vagaries of personhood.” Strickenized trying a different quote style!
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:20 am
And God said. Eyebrows shot high in reserved surprise. Faustite studied philosophers, not theologians; should he have looked in their direction? Was religion the only means to compensate for the depths of the Negaverse's darkness? He listened on to a familiar-unfamiliar scripture quote, ensconced in an ocean of imagery, and wondered to himself — is this the only way?
This can't be the only way. But it plays perfectly into the Negaverse's stance on the earth — that it's our oyster, our conquest, ours to bring to ruin. 'Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat'. Isn't it proof enough? There's no higher privilege given than what's given by god, in the mind of men. Everything is here for us to eat. Even each other. Even the souls in our chests, by which we become monsters —
His brows had yet to retire to a more comfortable position when the general added hand to chest. Faustite tracked the gesture with his gaze. His questions grew in number.
His explanations grew, though Faustite sussed the few key pieces acting as direct answers to his own questions. The general intended to answer him in full, it seemed, and that was just as well. Faustite asked for examples through the use of his own moral understanding, dogmatism not specifically barred. Youma — half-youma — are not persons through their inhumanity. An officer's status is unrelated to inhumanity. Faustite was going to hell for being a partial youma, but even by his own meager understanding of religions, he figured he'd have no great wnt for company there. The Negaverse was founded on willful theft and murder. Growing oneself into a monster seemed… Inconsequential in light of the prescribed sins.
The rosary added to the picture. Faustite shifted in his seat when the general brandished his beads, and Faustite noticed that the crosspiece sat low. It looked abnormal, though he could not determine the significance of it.
You're going to hell. You shouldn't even question it. You shouldn't even think otherwise. The thought came simply, automatically, when his gaze lighted on the standing man's features. But God let you dream of purgatory, didn't he?
Faustite's leg began its inevitable bobbing, born of restless energy. He failed to stifle a wry smile at the general's next assertions — that rank of officer trumped personhood in import — and held fast with his fingers curled under the edge of his seat. They tasted the rough material gratefully. He found the officer's explanation quite rounded. It didn't lack for divine doctrine backing the Negaverse's collective decisions. Faustite felt with reasonable certainty that his twice-a-year pastor had not intended the Negaverse in his teachings, but beyond a perverse application, nothing stood out as contradictory. Even a youmafied officer had a place in the given hierarchy: abomination though he may be, his rank as an officer took precedent. An eerie thought.
Perhaps its most insidious, most powerful, most dangerous aspect lay in its possibility. What little he was given of the general's beliefs promised hope — promised a world full of possibilities at man's fingertips, for him to take and take and take and still retain his right to all things living and unliving on this earth. That he may kill by taking starseeds or steal by taking energy and by rights, they were his to take. Yet, at the end of it all, when he would inevitably die, he may yet circumvent the pit to which normal men were cast. Why wouldn't an officer want to believe this? It promised blanket reprieve from consequence, from contradiction —
Faustite struggled to speak, shaken as he was. "I…" He paused, snorting. "I'm not usually speechless." He swallowed, respired. "Maybe you're right. Maybe the question's irrelevant." He looked to books on books on books that promised no great revelation. The person before him proved a better source for that, and he knew no name to give to face. "I just wasn't expecting…
"Most officers struck me as agnostic. Or too vacuous to even consider their motivations." Names sprung to mind with fervor. "I didn't expect that I'd find any answer walking through that door," he finished, with a quick gesture.
"So for that, I should thank you. But I don't know your name."
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:00 am
"Most Officers are - I've found - and it is their right in the end. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink," Leucite said with a small nod. "It's Leucite - I run the Training Corps - the newest barracks building?" He motioned with a hand vaguely outside the cathedral toward Negaspace in general. "Though, rest assured - theology is not part of the curriculum there." "My ideas - my opinions - are my own, are I doubt shared by many at all." He added dryly. "And I've always felt people are welcome to their own thoughts and opinions. Who knows - maybe in the end I'm the one that's wrong. But won't know until we get there." He pocketed the Rosary again, slipping it into his jacket with gentle fingers. He had given much to craft it from the crystals of the Rift - seven days of fasting and tribulation. He would be loath to see it harmed by his own carelessness. "But, I've usually found that philosophy and theology are generally irrelevant to the grand scheme of things. It is one's actions that derive meaning in life. If you want to be a better person - then be that better person. You have a will - some vestige of humanity. Use it."
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:43 pm
"Leucite," he echoed. He had no frame of reference for the mineral. "Faustite."
Perhaps Leucite preached to his peers and subordinates. Perhaps he fought more staunchly for their beliefs in his version of religion. Perhaps he still followed the same edict of saving another soul on the journey of life. But Faustite would not see such conversation by Leucite's words himself — Faustite was an abomination, unsalvageable for what he was. Why waste breath on convincing him when his soul was forefeit to the pit?
The thought aggravated him. Black fingers curled into a fist against the wall.
Leucite spared Faustite his own anger in a change of topic. "Is that a shameless plug, General?" He was uncertain whether Leucite found him worthwhile enough to train — or obviously in need of training. Perhaps both. Such condescending outcomes were not mutually exclusive. Schörl wouldn't care one way or the other, so long as I was 'efficient' about it. Her doctrine of choice — efficiency. We're each paltry machines in need of maintenance. Improvement. Training Corps is another step in the manufacturing process.
"Frankly, I don't see why they're so rare." Faustite threaded hands in lap, his thumbs restlessly circling about each other. "They offer everything an officer would need. Goals, permission, dominion. Freedom. Choice. Encouragement and expectation for mastery. Reinforcements good and bad." He hesitated slightly. "But most of them cling to lukewarm moral structures to protect them. Accepting your ideas is asking them to take on responsibilities they've shirked. Questions they've avoided. Maybe it's not so surprising after all."
Playing pedantics with a general occurred to him, especially at the mention of action and meaning. He heard of the argument before — idealist versus materialist in all matters — and remembered its circular trend. But beyond that, apart from skirting clichés and causal conundrums, Leucite offered a fleck of advice worth taking. Faustite should use his will. Perhaps his will, his impulses to action, were not so intrinsically divested from his thought. Action and idea might inform one another cohesively rather than antagonistically. If action defined him and shaped his life, then inaction explained the immaterial nature of Elex Yorke. Inaction framed his suppressed individuality within his family.
Faustite refused to dismiss the question of personhood outright. It lost some relevance, however; pragmatism encouraged action over immobility, and those actions might better inform him for the question. Suddenly tiredness claimed him.
"I see." Regardless of his maddening questions, Chrysocolla became his baseline for uselessness, for inactivity. He formed a steady collection of baselines. So long as he acted beyond that, he could hold himself in good form. "I imagine you have places to be, General." You're still standing, after all. "I don't want to keep you."torvil that one worked. temporary insanity on part of gaia then
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:06 pm
Strickenized trying something new this time "Hardly, but it is good to let people know - if the they feel they have a need for brushing up on their fundamentals." Leucite replied to the question, shaking his head. The next statement caught him a little bit off guard and he frowned. "Most don't believe in God - but religion is not a litmus test here - nor should any officer shirk their responsibilities. The actions you take are yours. Sometimes we kill - that is the nature of war. Death is death. I do my damnedest to ensure we keep civilians out of the line of fire - others hold different views. But at the end of the day - if one of my officers kills a civilian - their blood is on my hands just as much as theirs." The last part though, was what rankled him - the frown deepened and he stood a little taller. "Are you... attempting to dismiss me?" He asked, his voice stern. "Just because I chose to stand - does not mean I am in any particular hurry." "We sit - far - too much in our duties at times. Our duties also require us to be physically fit to fight if called upon. Standing when I can allows me to do that." He added - as if in clarification of his actions, which in all honesty he felt no need to impart, but did so this once to highlight his point. "I will go when I chose to go - and you will know when I chose to leave." He said plainly. "It's talk like that that gets you in trouble - better me, who is willing to show you your error, than another - who would just punish you for it."
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:12 pm
How far does that responsibility extend? If you take on the guilt of your subordinates, then you confiscate their autonomy. Even if 'their actions are their own'. That doesn't grant you license to own their transgressions. How many more are like you, Leucite? How much of the Negaverse devours individuality, for better or for worse?
"Because you trained them. Is that right?" Are you chasing down moral complexes so you can have a reason to lie awake at night? There's a lot more to take responsibility for than an accidental civilian death.
'A civilian'. What a sterile way to say it.
Faustite himself rose, no longer able to sit idle. He paced as often as not, his hands finding their own meager dance of knuckle in knuckle. A thin smile cracked his normally placid visage. "Is that what it sounded like, General? A dismissal? I didn't realize that politeness suffered such a brand in the Negaverse. With some of the many personalities I've met, I shouldn't be surprised." His gaze settled on Leucite now, attentive, expectant, wary. Backtalk earned him liberal pain for his furor, he knew. His frustrations found no better path.
Perhaps there wasn't one for abominations.
"You misunderstood me," he replied as he turned to face the taller, more imposing of the pair. "If that 'gets me in trouble', then punish me for it. I'm waiting." He pressed his tongue to the roof of his mouth and locked his teeth together, sense needle-sharp and skin prickled with anticipatory gooseflesh.
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:23 am
"Partly that, but mostly because as their superior their actions are a direct reflection of my leadership. If they are unruly, undisciplined and violent - then I'm hardly showing them the proper way of doing things. This is a war after all - but we should be avoiding collateral damage as much as we can." Leucite stated flatly. "It is the responsibility of the superior to see to the needs of their subordinates - to see to their training, care, and well-being. All the subordinate need do is follow orders - it's a fairly simple system." "Presumption is not politeness," Leucite countered, but more gently than before. "You presumed I had somewhere to be - but it is not your place - as a subordinate officer - to suggest so. Were you a general - then your statement would have been polite, not presumptuous." "But you are - not - a general," His said, watching the captain rise from his seat and watch him in return. "But since you seem to be gunning so hard for a punishment... fine." He said with a click of his tongue. "I want a detailed report of your general idea of a half-youma officer's proper place in the Negaverse. At least one thousand words, single spaced... I want it on my desk in a week - I think that's more than fair." Leucite said, a sly smirk spreading across his features. "And with that said - you are free to go and start it now, if you so chose. I shall not keep you any longer."
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:19 pm
Faustite sighed through his nose. I don't see why rank should make a difference. Schörl would have him speak only when spoken to; she would reduce him to an object, a tool, a broom in the closet to be used only when needed. Perhaps Leucite wasn't so different. His outlook on amalgamations like himself promised an outlook congruous with his hated superior's. But he bit tongue, swallowed his words, and nodded like he understood the sentiment.
While Faustite expected, a strike was never laid. For a regime so fond of corporal punishment, its lacking presence in situations like these caught him off-guard, left him unsteady. But a certain excitement accompanied Leucite's stated punishment — an artifacted giddiness in returning to old habits and doldrums. He remembered staying up til the late hour with an essay at his not-black fingertips. The blue-white screen staring back to his tired eyes with indifference. The page fresh, the sheet still warm to the touch with the smell of hot ink on the air. Leucite asked that task of him again. Him, an insubordinate, insufferable, inhuman captain. It felt far more like a teasing homage to times expired. Times still buried in dream.
"… I see." A thousand words. Single-spaced but no page count. One week due date. The hard part isn't writing it.
Faustite blinked, his irritation pulling muscle taut along his jaw. "I suppose that's politeness." Or passive-aggression. A general found no need for such tactics against a captain, however, so its inclusion here muddled him. One wielding a deadly weapon made easy work of insubordinate underlings. Yet he knew no desire to understand the inner workings of the Negaverse's furthest fallen; he simply turned toward his stack of books with no further comment of it. A quick moment spared to align the texts, and he hoisted the lot of them into arms with relative ease.
"I'll see you in a week, General." He cast a look over shoulder as he approached hte mouth of the cathedral, and the books in hand bailed him of any reason to salute. A small victory, perhaps.
The essay, though, was not altogether useless. Leucite may suffer a general's sickness, but he offered something of value in his critique.
Right. A half-youma officer's place. A thousand words. Single-spaced. Due next week. What a fascinating turn of events.
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