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 Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:36 pm
I always seem to run into people going on about this, be it in role playing or just genural BSing with their freinds
during training once someone acually asked my instucter about if there was any sort of style where you would use two swords
He said that in all his training, he only ever heard of one, and it's only to be used if you're apasalutly despreate or you know you're going to die anyways and you feel you apsalutely have to kill someone>.<
he said what you do is more or less just throw both sword ar your opponent at once...
has anyone else ever heard any sort of method of useing two swords at once? confused
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:38 pm
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:46 pm
I have seen it in both asian and western sword styles and it is effective you can block and attack at the same time and you can attack at two points at once.
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:23 pm
Ah, two swords. The common misconception in medieval combat. This depends on the style, and the type of sword. I'll lay it out.
Dagger, Knife or Tanto: This is one of the weapons that is commonly used in tandam, some styles are exclusive to using two weapons, while others rely on the off hand for grappling.
Shortsword or Wakizashi: A weapon that is commonly used in history either in tandam with a shield, or as a sidearm. The romans, greeks and vikings all used the shortsword to great effectiveness along with a shield. However, dual shortswords was never recorded to be used effectively, however regarding their size, wieght and power, would be a useful weapon to dual wield.
Arming Sword or Knightly Sword: A weapon similiar in shape to the longsword, but shorter and meant to be wielded with one hand. This weapon was commonly used by knights as a sidearm and most often complimented a shield. This weapon was also commonly used in conjuction with maces and hammers because of how easy it is to follow through an attack with a crushing blow from a blunt weapon to smash an opponent's parry, shield or armor. In the hight of armored combat, it was very common to see a knight in full plate wield an arming sword and mace. A dagger is also a useful as an off-hand weapon because of the added close-range stabbing power when an opponent moves in to grapple. This weapon is light enough to be used in both hands, however it seems unnececary as it's impossible to have the coordination to use both weapons independently. One blade usually becomes strictly for parrying, which is more effective to simply use a shield for anyway. It should be noted that this weapon was extremly effective in conjuction with a buckler, and was a common dueling style that is still practiced today.
Longsword or b*****d sword: This weapon is designed for use with both hands. However, it is possible to use a shield, and was common during sieges or when faced with heavy missle fire. However, it is almost exclusivly a two handed weapon, with the exception of the buckler which allowed both hands to grip the blade, while offering bonus protection for the forearm and wrists. The weapon was still light enough to be wielded with one hand, howevever it is not as effective as using both. It was made this way so that when grappled, you can grab a dagger or knife to continue attacking in close range, while still parrying with the longsword. Dual wielding a longsword is not useful at all, the reason being similiar to the arming sword.
Greatsword or Two-Handed Sword: Nope... this is a strictly two handed weapon. The only duel wielding that would be needed with this weapon would be either a buckler or a dagger that can be drawn and used in despiration at extremly close range.
Katana: This is a similiar situation to the longsword, as it is more effective when used with two hands and the only common off-hand weapon would be a dagger or tanto. Myamoto Musashi did have a duel wielding style, but it was created in an act of despiration when he drew his wakizashi. He then realised that it complimented his style and practiced with it. It should be noted that Musashi used a distict style different from normal Kenjitsu, and would allow for an off-hand weapon to work. However, the katana was designed for, and is most effective when wielded with both hands.
Dai Katana or No Dachi: Same boat as the Greatsword.
Rapier, Epee and Smallsword: This weapon was actually almost always wielded in tandam with a dagger or main gaunch, and in some cases even a buckler, or even a pistol. However it was never meant to be used with another weapon of it's type, and never was. I tried the duel foil thing before... it's more effective to use a dagger for when the opponent gets too close, or to have good leverage in a parry. (makes reposting a 1st parry alot easier.)
Saber, Cutlass and Scimitar: These weapons were commonly used by cavalry (exept cutlass, which was a navy weapon), as they are blade-heavy slicing weapons that can be wielded with one hand. They were all commonly wielded with daggers, bucklers and pistols. Dual wielding however was very rare with all of these weapons. They seem to be perfect dual wielding weapons however, but I guess at this time guns were common and it was more effective to carry a handgun in your free hand.
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:51 pm
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:24 pm
The Chinese use double swords alot more than any one I have seen. Wing Chun uses double butterfly sword but the name is actualy butterfly knives not sword the Chinese word Dao means knife. This is a knife not a sword.  To them any thing with a single edge is a knife no matter the size.  Bart Jarm Dao-8 slash knives not the name of the weapon just the style used in Wing Chun. Wu Dip Dao-Butterfly knives They are referred to as swords alot.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:36 am
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:20 am
Hylonomus Katana: This is a similiar situation to the longsword, as it is more effective when used with two hands and the only common off-hand weapon would be a dagger or tanto. Myamoto Musashi did have a duel wielding style, but it was created in an act of despiration when he drew his wakizashi. He then realised that it complimented his style and practiced with it. It should be noted that Musashi used a distict style different from normal Kenjitsu, and would allow for an off-hand weapon to work. However, the katana was designed for, and is most effective when wielded with both hands. As much as I agree with most of your text, there is one thing. As far as I've heard, what Musashi dual-wielded wasn't a katana and a wakizashi, but (I think that's the term) a tachi and a katana, concidering the katana to be the smaller lighter weapon. Then again, Musashi was concidered a giant by his culture's standards and he had always favored a stable posture in combat to the much more frequently practiced, somewhat more quick and agile stance. As you say, he used a style that was very different from the norm. I believe he even refers to the katana as a blade made for quickness, as compared to the tachi, which was a blade of strength and reach. Though if one thing is for certain about Musashi's style, he was never a big fan of speed. We should also keep in mind that Japan in his day had no shield-tradition the way Europe did, which may help explain Musashi's using a sword in his off-hand primarily for the purpose of blocking.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:42 am
The Japanese had shields but from what I have seen only archers used them.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:18 pm
Tveir Hylonomus Katana: This is a similiar situation to the longsword, as it is more effective when used with two hands and the only common off-hand weapon would be a dagger or tanto. Myamoto Musashi did have a duel wielding style, but it was created in an act of despiration when he drew his wakizashi. He then realised that it complimented his style and practiced with it. It should be noted that Musashi used a distict style different from normal Kenjitsu, and would allow for an off-hand weapon to work. However, the katana was designed for, and is most effective when wielded with both hands. As much as I agree with most of your text, there is one thing. As far as I've heard, what Musashi dual-wielded wasn't a katana and a wakizashi, but (I think that's the term) a tachi and a katana, concidering the katana to be the smaller lighter weapon. Then again, Musashi was concidered a giant by his culture's standards and he had always favored a stable posture in combat to the much more frequently practiced, somewhat more quick and agile stance. As you say, he used a style that was very different from the norm. I believe he even refers to the katana as a blade made for quickness, as compared to the tachi, which was a blade of strength and reach. Though if one thing is for certain about Musashi's style, he was never a big fan of speed. We should also keep in mind that Japan in his day had no shield-tradition the way Europe did, which may help explain Musashi's using a sword in his off-hand primarily for the purpose of blocking. Interesting, but the story I heard was that he drew his Wakizashi in a moment of despiration. This could be iffy though because it wasn't uncommon for a samurai to draw a sidearm during grappling or close range swordfighting, however it was usually the Tanto, not the Wakizashi. The Wakizashi being a more cerimonial weapon that was carried indoors where the Katana was left at the door. The other legend of how Musashi discovered his style is while watching a european duel with a foyening weapons and Main Gaunches (most likely an Epee and dagger combo that was common for first blood duels. However at this time the smallsword was very popular) This would explain the longer reach of the Tachi being combined with the Katana. However, this story is questionable as well because wielding two Katanas is a difficult feat let alone a Tachi and Katana. I highly doubt Musashi wielded a Tachi with a Katana, as the Tachi (being a precurser to the Odachi, and later the Katana) was a cavalry weapon designed to be drawn from horse back and cut down infantry, and was awkward to wield on foot with two hands let alone one. The final evolution of the Tachi was the Nodachi, also called the Dai Katana, and was used as a foot weapon against pikeman and cavalry, as well as for cerimonial perpouses. The largest Nodachi were created as either a test of a bladesmith's skill or as an offering to a temple. Musashi also seemed to favor using Bokens instead of blades at all. And was commonly portreyed as wielding two Bokens in combat. Most likely the two-sword style was a glorification of him drawing his Wakizashi or Tanto in despiration.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:20 pm
Wolf3001 The Japanese had shields but from what I have seen only archers used them. Those wern't necicarily sheilds, but more mobile barriers. They were commonly made of wood, but became metal in later periods when the archers were replaced with muskets. However, a metal shield is a very rare thing to find in Japan, as steel was very rare and valuable. They most likely picked this trick up from medieval crossbowman who would use shields to protect them while they loaded their crossbows.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:46 am
there's a korean style that uses two katana style swords, forgotten what its called, koryo gumdo?
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:45 pm
I seen a Japanese sheild in a book on Samurai yesterday it was a statue of a guy with a spear but it was old.
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