These have no bearing on anyone elses opinion and if anyone wants to second said opinions they can quote what I'm saying.
The following is a RANT. This is to get all my thoughts out so I can refine this s**t before posting in feed back.
SO, there's the rule about being allowed to custom in Parents for Gen 1 characters.
However once you have a parent you can no longer custom in siblings.
Cool. For most things I'm totally okay with this.
HOWEVER, I have a HUGE family that I would like to move here from dead shops. This includes parents, children, and grandchildren. Sadly since I customed in one character who has children with this current rule as I went and double checked with staff to be sure, I cannot custom in their children as an adult and can ONLY bribe a breeding to get something 'close to' the original. As long as the colorist is okay with doing something like that.
Quite frankly this is extremely frustrating for me. I'm sure I could probably loop hole this and simply have the character be 'adopted by their parents' but that defeats the purpose of me pulling their children over, especially when they're already fully developed characters. Forcing someone to bribe in children that already exist comes across as greedy, and unfair, and bloody well a reason for someone not to bother with the shop at all. Sure you can get new pretties, but transferring pretties from a dead or dying shop to continue their story, you have to follow this rule and if you didn't follow it to the letter you're at the whims of the colorist on if you'll get a breeding and the character comes out looking like you want!
That's ridiculous, and discouraging as hell. The family is HUGE. With several people owning members of different generations. Grandchildren (around 6 or so), children( 15 total from two different shops. ) , and the parents. So in order to do this 'properly' I would have had to custom the grandchild before her mother, and since I didn't have the foresight to think that customing in a family from other shops would fall under these rules, I'm stuck with bribing to maybe get the grandchild that I have. Again, at the whims of the artist, if they feel like taking on the breeding, and they feel like doing what I ask.
I like the shop, I like many of the ideas behind it, customing in characters from other shops who are RELATED should not fall under this rule. They're already canon characters being migrated over from another shop. They have lives, and rebooting them COMPLETELY is a goddamn idiotic thing to have to do. Rewrites are fine, but for the love of all that is holy, don't force us to bribe in babies if we made a minor oops on the order of who we should have customed in. Also the bribed breadings...don't get me started on the fact that it literally forces me to RE Roleplay them from a point in time they've already developed past. Yeah, more art, more painfully long processes of waiting on growths, more time on both mine and the artists part that could be put to better use. Seriously? The actual ******** have no bearing on anyone elses opinion and if anyone wants to second said opinions they can quote what I'm saying however they would like.
This is feedback in response to the rule for customing parents for Gen 1 characters.
At a base this rule seems perfectly alright. You get a Gen one, make a sibling, decide to make a parent, you can't custom any siblings since the parent exists now. You have to do breedings.
For normal Gen 1s that's perfectly understandable, those won through auctions, FS's, and raffles. Even for Semi customs.
My frustration with this rule is when it comes to full blown customs. Particularly when customing in family members from other shops. When you have a large family and enter a random person from it who gets selected, you can no longer get their children if they have any, and you have to get their siblings before you get their parents....no matter how long the process might be.
Oh but you can BRIBE a breeding for that pet in order to 'get what you want'. Which actually isn't stated in anyone's bribe thread at all. You can get WIP's since it's a bribe, but there is nothing stating you can use a representation of what you actually want for the child from the breeding.
Even getting chosen for a bribe is pretty unlikely, so a breeding, where you have it defined what the child should look like, becomes even harder to get than most bribes are.
And that's just the getting the bribe part. When this is already a fully created character, starting them back from scratch is frustrating to say the least. tweaks to a character so that they fit the world, totally fine, but starting over, is just discouraging. Plus the fact that their are RP requirements, unless of course you bribe for growths....
I realize this is perhaps something that hasn't come up because most people are very willing to RP, or totally willing to bribe for growths. I'm willing to do so as well, for characters that I've yet to build completely, and aren't involved in a huge family. A family that has 6 or so grandchildren, and 15+ kids from two different shops.
This rule basically makes it so that until everyone involved who has an interest in the shop and wants to move over the 3rd generation characters have gotten those 3rd gens, anyone who has the second generation parent, cannot get the parents. And all the second generations who are desired/wanted have to be gotten before we can get the actual progenitors of the line. When these characters ALL exist already. They don't exist in the NMA universe, but they can be easily translate.
I realize this is probably a rare case, it's rare to have a family line that has done this much. And even rarer still to want to move them over and into a shop. Except when you've run into the issue of the shops they had their families in have died or have gone into a hard lull.
I'm not sure how many other people have run into this rule and it's been a problem, But I find that it's discouraging, and that it feels like it's aimed to bar one from pulling over characters as much as possible. Especially when they come from long lined families. It also feels greedy. You can bribe the breeding and 'get what you want'. Really. So can I bribe the breeding to have it just be the adult instead of having to hassle the artist for more art that I don't want? I love the art, I think breedings are lovely. But not for this.
I think that if you want to bring over family members that already exist and have existed it should not matter what order you get them in. parent or child, and I find the rule unfair that one is restricted from getting them except through bribe breedings. That's just not okay in my mind. It wastes the artist's time and effort, when all I want is the adult stage, and it infuriates the customer having to pay AGAIN AND AGAIN in order to get there in a timely fashion and get what they actually want, when one could simply bribe once to get the character as desired (if they're picked at all).
Yes you could do it through rp and passing classes, however, time considerations for those of us who are not online nearly often enough with actual muses, it would take YEARS to get the breedings grown. OR LONGER.
I'm patient. I'm dedicated, but this...irks the hell out of me. They already exist canonically in the timelines. I'm sure I could find a way to get around this rule, but it's the bloody principle of the matter that causes me to get up on my haunches and find annoyance with this.
Because LITERALLY customers who have large families are left with the choices of start at the bottom and make sure everyone gets who they want, bribe for the breedings as heavily as you can so you get picked and you can get what you want, and bribe again for growth to get the correct outfit instead of a random interpretation, or be SOL and find another shop to get them in.
Just at a base, to interest an artist a bribe is going to have to be 50bil since that seems the most reasonable for their time and effort.
a modest estimate of the characters that I alone own:
1 parent
6 children
2 grandchildren
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9 characters total.
9x50bil = 450bil gold.
That's for single character lines.
for a breeding Single stone:100bil easy. Especially with the predetermined desire to get what you want.
if I got the parent first that would end up being
800bil for the breedings alone. for a single character. to get what I want.
then to get them to grow, how I want 50 to 100bil PER GROWTH.
if we go with that the grand total of getting these breedings done, and grown in the way I want
1.6Trillion in gold, and wasting the artist's time on work I don't want.
This comes across as greedy since it's only through bribes you can get what you want in breedings, aaaaaand again WASTES time for the artist who could be doing other things instead of these breedings. Yeah breedings are easy peasy, since it's three lines you work with, stone, baby, freshling. No edits, just colors.
And this turned into a rant again.
But basically this rule makes it so that you're cutting people off from bringing in old characters so that you don't have to deal with it when it's a huge family. Maybe it makes it easier so you all don't have to keep track of who's related to who.
I personally feel that it's on the part of the customer to do that, and I've got extensive family background for the family in question knowing who's related to who to keep it from being complicated, but then, that's the extra effort I like to put in.
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