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 Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:02 pm
I'm not sure how many guys are actually in this guild, but I downright hate it when a pro-choice woman uses my gender against me to discredit my opinion. I hate it when they have to turn everything into a battle of the sexes whenever their opinion gets challenged. Here's some conversation from an abortion thread I posted in: Tragic Christmas AeroKleftis I can already see what's going to be said to me: "You're a guy, you'd never understand." I understand perfectly, you want to use my sex to discredit my opinion. In a matter of women's health, I don't see how your opinion would have much weight at all. Why shouldn't guys be able to have a say?
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:52 pm
because they know it doesn't really matter, they just look for any escape route possible... you're either too male, never been pregnant, have been pregnant but taken over by "evil hormones of mind control", your sources are too old, too new, or consist of a logical fallacy. on this forum, most choicers are hypocritical and will use any way possible to say the same thing, which is basically "*covers ears and hums*"
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:05 pm
I don't think you're allowed to use her actual name in a quote; you might need to edit that.
And I know, they always do that. And when it's a woman, "Just because you think abortion is wrong doesn't mean your morals apply to every other woman!" So, you know, excuses-excuses.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:06 pm
divineseraph because they know it doesn't really matter, they just look for any escape route possible... you're either too male, never been pregnant, have been pregnant but taken over by "evil hormones of mind control", your sources are too old, too new, or consist of a logical fallacy. on this forum, most choicers are hypocritical and will use any way possible to say the same thing, which is basically "*covers ears and hums*" Youll find this true about most liberals. Now dont get that confused with liberally minded people or Democrats etc, but liberals. Theyre a certain breed of immature, self-centered people that use nasty and rude arguementaive stylings to "debate." And men have a say as much as white people have a say in racism. We may not be directly effected but we have a hand in it as it is a question of human rights.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:25 pm
hey penguin, haven't heard from you in a while...
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:31 pm
Lorysa I don't think you're allowed to use her actual name in a quote; you might need to edit that.
And I know, they always do that. And when it's a woman, "Just because you think abortion is wrong doesn't mean your morals apply to every other woman!" So, you know, excuses-excuses. Or, you're a man with a woman's avatar! Or, You're being oppressed by men! Or, You're a b***h! I've gotten them all. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:26 am
lymelady Lorysa I don't think you're allowed to use her actual name in a quote; you might need to edit that.
And I know, they always do that. And when it's a woman, "Just because you think abortion is wrong doesn't mean your morals apply to every other woman!" So, you know, excuses-excuses. Or, you're a man with a woman's avatar! Or, You're being oppressed by men! Or, You're a b***h! I've gotten them all. 3nodding Or, You're a red-headed Catholic ninja
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:28 am
Lorysa I don't think you're allowed to use her actual name in a quote; you might need to edit that.
And I know, they always do that. And when it's a woman, "Just because you think abortion is wrong doesn't mean your morals apply to every other woman!" So, you know, excuses-excuses.
Although I think this type of thread has been done before.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:09 pm
Honestly, seeing as it takes a man and a woman to make a child I do not understand why so many women argue that a man should have no say in the matter. After all, it takes two to tango.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:17 pm
Ebony_Delios Honestly, seeing as it takes a man and a woman to make a child I do not understand why so many women argue that a man should have no say in the matter. After all, it takes two to tango. Yay! Another Ebony pro-lifer!
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'Cause there's an Ebony Anne who's pro-choice; divineseraph has gotten us confused before.
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But excellent point. Women don't just wake up pregnant. That man stuck SOMETHING, SOMPLACE, for SOME amount of animal crackers.
xd
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:04 am
Ebony the Peacian Vampire Ebony_Delios Honestly, seeing as it takes a man and a woman to make a child I do not understand why so many women argue that a man should have no say in the matter. After all, it takes two to tango. Yay! Another Ebony pro-lifer!
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'Cause there's an Ebony Anne who's pro-choice; divineseraph has gotten us confused before.
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But excellent point. Women don't just wake up pregnant. That man stuck SOMETHING, SOMPLACE, for SOME amount of animal crackers.
xd yes... if they can't stand having someone else inside of them, why let HIM inside you?
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:05 am
Heh, I care about abortion, despite my p***s, because it is my child just as much as hers that she's killing.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 am
Theallpowerfull Heh, I care about abortion, despite my p***s, because it is my child just as much as hers that she's killing.
That's my biggest issue with "Your a man; you can't have an opinion about this." Well, yeah, he can and he should. That "blob of cells" is half his.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:03 pm
Indeed, for like it or not it takes a part of a man and a woman to make a child. Not to mention that any child that is conceived is also one that carries heriditarial traits from both the man and woman. So it should not be something that is decided by one or the other, but both. So just as it was a 50/50 effort, so must the actions in terms of consequences be something that is dealt with as such.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:15 pm
Oh, no, sorry. A man can have absolutly no say over whether or not a his partner has an abortion. He can have no say over that at all. WHat he can do is pay child support if she decides to keep the child and he dosn't want her to. He has no choice in either matter.
As unlikely as it is, if abortion is ever fermented into law, then I'm gogin to be behind those men who want the choice to opt out of child support.
Yeah, when a woman has a child and wants an abortion, he can have no say. But when she want the child he's responcible and required to care for the child in some way.
Not to sound so pessimistick people, but, if I were to give up and say "Fine, a woman can have her choice in being a mother." Then I'm also gogin to say. "A man shoudl have his choice in being a father and not have to pay a dime if she decides to keep the child and he dosn't want to be a daddy."
This, people, is what we call a slippery slope. I can gaurantee we will head this way very soon if somthign is not done about abortion.
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