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BetaHQ
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:05 pm


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Beta Aquarium is making a valiant attempt to adjust our prices to better reflect the current Gaian Economy/Currency Update in a way that's not only fair to the colorists, but also the customers. Staff is very very bad about underpricing themselves and the Owner isn't available to smack business sense into them. Therefore, we are turning to you, the customers to help us out!

Current Goals
- keep everything affordable, the lower cost items with little effort and the higher cost items with fair amount of effort
- keep pricing simple and easy to estimate
- keep highest base price (breedable se) UNDER 500k platinum?
- permanently equate currency/GC/work values
- anytimes/letters/cash shop items folded into General Bribery with limited slots (offer more, get more in one go!)
- equate Cash Shop Items to their original GC value, unless the GC to currency conversion vs marketplace prices are WAY off
-- We'll figure out how off is too off and what to do once we get bases sorted

Things to Keep in Mind
- 40% of the shop functions on templated lineart of simple, solid quality (egg & fish)
- 40% of the shop functions on templated lineart of varying complexity (all current evolves)
- 20% of the shop functions on new lineart specially edited/custom drawn/templated (new ses)
- shop's main prices have always been on the low end for B/C (customs at 10k gold vs. 100k gold 2015)
- gold/plat is very easy to come by now, even without resorting to Gaia Cash and playing the Marketplace
- not looking to price anything in astronomical; just want to pay colorists/lineartists a fairer price in current economy


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:11 pm


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2014-2015 Research
Aryn & Meegs have focused their gold research primarily on what the average Gaian could earn SOLELY through the Daily Chance, clicking all vend machines available on the site, everyday. Notes for Pink Links, Auto Cash, and Daily Treat gold grants were taken; notes for Booty Grab, Gaia Events, and general site activity were not.

The initial research was gathered during November-December 2014, but Gaia seems to have adjusted the Daily Chance Output since. We've included additional research to reflect these changes.

General conclusion: it is much much easier to make millions of gold than it was 4 years ago. On the flip side, many things are being priced in the billions on the Marketplace and in some shops/most art shops.

Daily Chance 2014 PDF
Daily Chance 2015 & Other PDF


Platinum Update:
The Currency Update has kind of rendered our past research useless, and trying to get the shop backup and running isn't conductive to making another in-depth go. So Aryn is taking the previous attempt's x10 values and going from there.

Other Shops:
Poking around other shops, these are the starting points for basic customs that Aryn has seen (values are in platinum for simplicity):
- Pay what you want
- 1 platinum
- 100 platinum
- 1000 platinum
- 10,000 platinum

Official Gaia Equivalents:
10, 000, 000 (10 million) GOLD = 1 PLAT
50, 000, 000 (50 million) GOLD = 5 PLAT = 1 GC = 1 cent
12, 500, 000, 000 (12.5 billon) GOLD = 1250 PLAT = 250 GC = 1 MC Letter = $2.50

1 platinum = minimum to trade


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2014-2015 Pricing Adjustment Examples
So we've taken our research and our goals and applied them accordingly to each option listed in our poll (sans "everything is too low"). Below you will find the resulting pricing examples.

The following Adjustments have been made to ALL pricing examples:
- anytimes/gold bribes equated to letter/gc values (ex: 1 letter slot = 2 anytime customs = 200k)
- se commission prices adjusted to compensate increase in letter/anytime work values
- pet/item prices originally with a range have been simplified to higher price


Baseline Pricing
- current pricing (what's on the front page now) + adjustments (above)
- this is the default option the Shop will go with, if no other pricing adjustments are applied (below)
Baseline Pricing PDF


x2 Pricing
- new baseline pricing x2
- proposed se commission prices are not exactly x2 (Staff likes these numbers)
x2 Pricing PDF


x5 Pricing
- new baseline pricing x5
- proposed se commission prices are not exactly x5 (actual x5 pricing is included)
x5 Pricing PDF


x10 Pricing
- new baseline pricing x10
- se commission prices are not exactly x10 (actual x10 pricing is included)
- pet/item prices capped at x5 pricing
x10 Pricing PDF


Platinum Update - Where to Start?
Taking the previous x10 prices into account as well as the last Buffy-era prices, Aryn came up some proposed ranges and then a trial set of prices.

Possible Ranges
- RANGE 1: basic services range 100-1k platinum / SE services range 1000-10k platinum
- RANGE 2: basic services range 1000-10k platinum / SE services range 10,000-100k platinum
- Bribery would shake out between Basic & SE

Trial Prices! - All prices in PLAT for now

:Events:
Raffle Ticket: 100 plat
Premade Starting Bid: 1k plat
Custom Starting Bid: 2k plat

:Shop Betas:
Premade: 1k plat
Semi-Custom: 1.5k plat
Custom: 2k plat
Breeding: 2k plat
Reg Evolve: 1k plat
SE Evolve: 2k plat
Staff Breeding: 10k plat

:Special Editions: *
Single Stage Edit: 50k plat
Single Stage Custom: 100k plat
Upgrade: 50k plat
Breedable Edit: 100k plat
Breedable Custom: 200k plat

*probably going to half these prices

:Gaia Cash to Currency to Work Conversions:
1GC = 5 PLAT
200GC = 1k PLAT = 1 reg evolve
400GC = 2k PLAT = 1 custom/1 breeding/1 SE Evolve
1000GC = 4k PLAT = 1 custom colored common SE
ETC.

NOTE: Item Shop/Pet Pet Shop prices aren't currently listed, but have been updated to run between 100 and 2k platinum. Will update with that list if anyone really wants to see it!

- Same with GC/Currency/Work conversions for the SE stuff. You can probably parse out what they would be, but if people really want to see it, will post.

- To visualize RANGE 1 - take the trial prices, drop a zero.
- To visualize RANGE 2 - take the trial prices, half the SE stuff.


NEW PRICING SHEET! 3/12/2018!
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BetaHQ
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BetaHQ
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:14 pm


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You've seen our goals, our research, and our estimates. Now it's time for YOU to weigh in!

Does our research accurately reflect your average daily/weekly gold gain?
Are our price examples affordable/achievable when compared to your average gold gain?
Do you feel that the price examples are fair for all involved or are they too low/high?
Do you have any suggestions for a better pricing multiplier/adjustments?
Do you have any suggestions/comments on anything else?
Are the PDFs loading? Do we need to upload the info in a different format?

If you need clarification on anything we're planning for the price update, please ask! We'll do our best to make it make sense.


Now we need YOUR help, Beta Customers! What suggestions/poll options feel like good starting points? Do you have any questions? IS OUR MATH CORRECT? Your opinion matters!

We'll update with further developments/more info on this as it comes!

Please don't forget to VOTE in the poll! We're using it to help make our final decision. (NEW POLL COMING).

THANK YOU!

Results from the 2014-2015 Poll:
Which Pricing Adjustment should the Shop use?
new baseline pricing - 0 votes
x2 baseline pricing - 1 vote
x5 baseline pricing - 4 votes *
x10 baseline pricing - 4 votes *

all options are too low! - 0 votes
Total Votes : 9

Results from 2017-2018 Poll:
What should we use to update our prices for PLAT?
- The Trial Prices look good! - 2 votes
- Range 1 (basics [100-1k]/SEs [1k-10k]) - 9 votes *
- Range 2 (basics [1k-10k]/SEs [10k-100k]) - 2 votes
- I have my own suggestion! (see post) - 0 votes

Results from Home Stretch Poll:
How are our new proposed prices looking?
- Good to Go! - 2 votes *
- Needs More Tweaking! - 1 vote



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:15 pm


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:16 pm


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:42 am


Thread has been updated for Platinum!

All of the previous info is tucked under the spoiler tags and all the visible text relates directly to the platinum update. All of the posts have some updates, some more obvious than others.

Basically, read over the New Pricing Options section and let us know in the NEW POLL if you would prefer one of the new Ranges or the Trial prices! OR if you think you have a better idea, post it in the thread! The poll will be up for 90 60-ish days.

Any questions/comments, please post in this thread!

BetaHQ
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BetaHQ
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:15 pm


THE POLL HAS SPOKEN!

With a 9 to 4 win (because let's face it, the Trial Prices and Range 2 were practically the same), we're going with the lower end pricing!

What does this mean?
It means that the temporary prices the staff have been using aren't going to change by a whole lot, if at all. The new proposed pricing schedule is under the spoiler tag/in above post. Prices are shown in Gold and Plat, and in Gaia Cash where applicable.

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NOTE: Aryn just noticed one of her tables is... weird. Down in General Conversions where million/billion/trillion are noted in (); the parenthesis are a placeholder for six zeros (000,000) or an indication of the gold increments involved at that level (100 plat = 1 billon gold; 100k plat = 1 trillion gold), however you want to look at it.


Basically Aryn took the original Trial Prices and dropped a zero to get our Temporary Prices and the Prices for the sheet above.

So what's changing?
At a quick glance, getting a Common SE is going up by 50 Plat. Everything available in our shop now has a price attached to it (unless Aryn missed a category - plz let her know if so!). We've got GC prices for bribery and SE stuff, and a conversion table for your convenience (GC/Plat/Gold/Beta Work).

Are these the OFFICIAL new Prices?
Not quite yet, even though not a lot is changing. We've got some minor tweaking to do, but if anything changes at this point it'll be going down, not up.

EX: The Raffle Ticket Price listed has a range of 1-10 plat. Originally, the new price was going to be 10 plat, but the 1 plat price for Meegs' V-day event went so well that it's up for consideration.

These prices have been preemptively edited in on the front page, and across the appropriate guild threads; Panda and Meegs will update their work threads at their leisure or after everything's been officially confirmed as good. If any changes are needed, all necessary pages will be adjusted again.

New Poll will be up shortly for the customer base! Basically, does what you see look good or are there more things that need tweaking (or are missing)? Poll is up for 30 days.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:35 am


The Poll has Spoken!

With the exception of the Raffle Tickets and the exact wording for how Cash Shop Item Bribes are going to go, the prices in the spreadsheet image above are Official!

Staff is working to double check and make sure shop prices are correctly updated on all the pages.

If you have an questions or concerns about the new pricing, please feel free to PM/DM ArynLight.

BetaHQ
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