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 Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:33 pm
Hello!
For those that don't know me, I've started and run the revival RP on the sister guild to Heliopolis, the Orb Union. In that RP the setting is after the events of both Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED Destiny. No while that connects to the Orb Union being the main faction, Heliopolis is a different matter. As I'd like to keep to the similar setting and theme of the guild I've decided to try the following setting for an RP; We'd start at the beginning of seed at the 'battle of heliopolis', and would follow a storyline similar to it but more related to the original gundam in that more than one suit makes it out. From there everything will be changed, from the attack at Joshua, to the assault on Orb to the nuking of Boaz. Ultimately this is a reboot of SEED.
While this does start with the original story, I believe this story would be best lived with all new and original characters. I understand some people (whose names are coincidentally similar) would like characters from the original anime. This is completely fine, but I would rather we not completely retake all the characters from SEED and put them here as it's meant to be an interactive and changing story. I'd also be testing some dice rolling to decide the outcome of the story but nothing too complex and I'll go more into detail about that later. I have decided to name it Gundam SEED Concept ((a little cheesy yes...)
Here are the ideas that I am interested in trying out for the RP related to the story ((More will be brought up so stay tuned!));
-No ultimate coordinator project
xx+I feel having this would not only directly mirror the anime but would also lower the possibilities other characters have.
-More than one gundam was saved by the Archangel
xx+More to even the chances that someone on both sides could pilot a mobile suit instead of just on on board the Archangel, we may need more than the five original gundams for this.
-Similar relationships
xx+For example; Athrun-Kira, Athrun-Lacus, and Kira-Cagalli. I liked this part of SEED and it wouldn't be too bad if it was replicated into the RP. Players would need to coordinate with each other for their relations and request for relations on profiles.
- SEED-mode achievement
xx+More of a reward that, like the anime, would be received at a certain point in the RP. It's debatable how to receive this, when
and what type can be activated as well as its effects in the game. Most likely it would increase some and decrease other rolls.
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:17 pm
Several questions, though I cam clearly interested.
First, will there be a similar Newtype stat? In Gundam SEED, though Newtypes are not explicitly named, they are different from (though not mutually exclusive to) SEED factor or Coordinator status. This is known in-series as 'enhanced spatial awareness', but works much like in UC where Newtypes can sense and even identify each other. Mwu and Rau felt and identified each other, and Kira could feel Rey...and compared the sensation to that of Rau. Mwu La Flaga lacked Coordinator birth as well as SEED Factor, while Kira possessed all three. Thus, any combination is possible.
SEED factor seems to improve a person's combat abilities by increasing the computational power and processing speed of the human brain, to the point where time seems to slow down. Much like a controlled version of how time seems to slow down for people during a car wreck, but to an extreme with added processing capability for vectors and timing. As such, they seem able to react more precisely and swiftly to a threat after it happens, with a level of planning not normally possible in the length of a standard single post. Perhaps the bonus can reflect this by being able to perform two actions, or a single overly complex action?
Newtype/Enhanced Spatial Awareness seems to be more of a broader awareness of the space and people around them, borne not necessarily just of greater observational and visual processing ability but also a sliding scale of empathic capability that varies by the person. At the extremes seen in the Universal Century, this empathic ability becomes telepathic or even spiritual, but this level has not been concretely demonstrated in SEED beyond a general awareness of if another Newtype is nearby. (The Kira/Flay interaction on her death has been stated more as a closure for the viewers than due to Kira's capabilities and they did the same for Shinn/Stellar at the end of Destiny even though neither was a Newtype.) These people alone can control Moebius Zero or First Generation DRAGOONS, and can control Second Generation DRAGOONS (Chaos, Legend, and maybe Strike Freedom Gundams) more effectively/in hard to expect ways than a normal person/AI combination. They can also sense malicious intent and react to an attack more quickly/be prepared for it before it comes if the posts beforehand give enough context.
These two possibilities, however, lend a measure of "meta powers" and should be clearly defined if implemented. Awarding them to responsible players instead of making them available to start is probably a very good idea, even if you just went with SEED Factor. They also seem to be genetic and evolutionary paths possible for humanity, that which the Coordinators seek but have almost gone sterile trying to find.
Second, what of the Astray Prototypes (Gold, Red, Blue, Green, Purple/later Mirage)? Will they be available? Though they lack Phase Shift Armor, they seem to have higher mobility due to their joint design sufficient enough to be useful platforms into and beyond the Second Bloody Valentine War if properly updated in defense and armament. They've been equated to the Gundam Mk-II of the Cosmic Era, with their higher mobility/frame design but inferior armor.
Third, and a personal observation. The fact that the Akatsuki was commissioned before Uzumi Nara Athha's death, and therefore before the Second Generation DRAGOON existed, also means that it had been intended to have a space configuration that only a Newtype could use effectively. This gives a strong and interesting possibility to Cagalli's untapped potential. She, like Kira, has demonstrated SEED mode capability and perhaps even has untapped genetic Newtype potential which Uzumi Nara Athha knew of. Seeing this explored in RP would be amazing.
I really like the idea of an RP that isn't locked into a set plot arc where we're free to make changes to history, though I do hope we get a Cagalli at least. I really liked our Tomboy Princess.
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:38 pm
Toshiro Yuki Several questions, though I cam clearly interested. First, will there be a similar Newtype stat? In Gundam SEED, though Newtypes are not explicitly named, they are different from (though not mutually exclusive to) SEED factor or Coordinator status. This is known in-series as 'enhanced spatial awareness', but works much like in UC where Newtypes can sense and even identify each other. Mwu and Rau felt and identified each other, and Kira could feel Rey...and compared the sensation to that of Rau. Mwu La Flaga lacked Coordinator birth as well as SEED Factor, while Kira possessed all three. Thus, any combination is possible. SEED factor seems to improve a person's combat abilities by increasing the computational power and processing speed of the human brain, to the point where time seems to slow down. Much like a controlled version of how time seems to slow down for people during a car wreck, but to an extreme with added processing capability for vectors and timing. As such, they seem able to react more precisely and swiftly to a threat after it happens, with a level of planning not normally possible in the length of a standard single post. Perhaps the bonus can reflect this by being able to perform two actions, or a single overly complex action? Newtype/Enhanced Spatial Awareness seems to be more of a broader awareness of the space and people around them, borne not necessarily just of greater observational and visual processing ability but also a sliding scale of empathic capability that varies by the person. At the extremes seen in the Universal Century, this empathic ability becomes telepathic or even spiritual, but this level has not been concretely demonstrated in SEED beyond a general awareness of if another Newtype is nearby. (The Kira/Flay interaction on her death has been stated more as a closure for the viewers than due to Kira's capabilities and they did the same for Shinn/Stellar at the end of Destiny even though neither was a Newtype.) These people alone can control Moebius Zero or First Generation DRAGOONS, and can control Second Generation DRAGOONS (Chaos, Legend, and maybe Strike Freedom Gundams) more effectively/in hard to expect ways than a normal person/AI combination. They can also sense malicious intent and react to an attack more quickly/be prepared for it before it comes if the posts beforehand give enough context. These two possibilities, however, lend a measure of "meta powers" and should be clearly defined if implemented. Awarding them to responsible players instead of making them available to start is probably a very good idea, even if you just went with SEED Factor. They also seem to be genetic and evolutionary paths possible for humanity, that which the Coordinators seek but have almost gone sterile trying to find. Second, what of the Astray Prototypes (Gold, Red, Blue, Green, Purple/later Mirage)? Will they be available? Though they lack Phase Shift Armor, they seem to have higher mobility due to their joint design sufficient enough to be useful platforms into and beyond the Second Bloody Valentine War if properly updated in defense and armament. They've been equated to the Gundam Mk-II of the Cosmic Era, with their higher mobility/frame design but inferior armor. Third, and a personal observation. The fact that the Akatsuki was commissioned before Uzumi Nara Athha's death, and therefore before the Second Generation DRAGOON existed, also means that it had been intended to have a space configuration that only a Newtype could use effectively. This gives a strong and interesting possibility to Cagalli's untapped potential. She, like Kira, has demonstrated SEED mode capability and perhaps even has untapped genetic Newtype potential which Uzumi Nara Athha knew of. Seeing this explored in RP would be amazing. I really like the idea of an RP that isn't locked into a set plot arc where we're free to make changes to history, though I do hope we get a Cagalli at least. I really liked our Tomboy Princess. For the first part I would actually follow the aanime's occurance of SEED mode, spatial awareness and the 'newtype's of SEED. While a newtype really is just a more evolved human, generally with psychic powers, my buest theory with SEED is that people who have obtained one one or the other. Take three prime examples from SEED; Athrun, Mu and Cagalli. While Athrun was a coordinator we only know he had SEED, Mu was a natural yet his spatial awareness gave him a Char-like reputation but no SEED, and then Cagalli unlocked her seed mode even though she is a natural. My buest theory is that where SEED encompasses reflexes (fast movement and fast thinking) spatial awareness entails a person's sense of intelligence gathering ((moving dragoon pods, evading attacks and complex thinking)). So I would most likely divide up the two so someone obtains either seed or spatial awareness over the RP, although one character starts out with spacial awareness ((See below; 3)) Second, I would have the Astray suits but they are one part of the RP I've been debating. In the anime they were not even mentioned until the m1 Astray was revealed and the EA had no clue of their existence((and I just checked, Gundam SEED Astray didn't start release until the next month after SEED premiered)). Chances are we wouldn't see them, but it's still under development. Last part refers to the third and your last comment. I think Akatsuki was designed after SEED wrapped up ((middle of GSD maybe, just a theory)) so I think that was more plot-plug in. I also think that story-wise the dragoons and the second system for them (using quantum computers) was put into the shiranui pack itself which Mu could operate. The unit was meant to switch out packs, my best support of this idea is the Chaos Impulse/Impulse. The impulse is originally not listed as having a dragoon system however it can use a dragoon flier and the pods of the Chaos in the proposed Chaos Impulse. For the connecting part, I'm actually on a personal debate to have 'parts' available for character applications. With GSR, I found a lot of mismatching positions, people asking what's available and more. Here I think I'll try having a large open list where the character roles will parallel characters from SEED. Ei; strike pilot, mobile armor pilot, archangel captain etc. This would correlate to before when one character may start out with a given ability, this one being the mobile armor pilot. Roles like it and cagalli's supplement would be representing the anime. This would mean a couple characters would have automatic relationships with one another, but again in debate. I think it would help fill roles without too many unknowns for people starting out.
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:35 pm
So you think that Akatsuki is a plothole, and that it somehow uses ZAFT's second generation DRAGOON system outside of Akatsuki's original specifications anyway? I see. Shame though. We need more Naturals that just happen to have amazing genes/abilities, and Cagalli would have been a good candidate if she had both abilities. Of course, just developing her SEED mode further in and of itself could be interesting if someone picks her up.
I also have to wonder if those Naturals with either of the benefits could then pilot the more complex ZAFT "Coordinator only" machines...
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:27 pm
Toshiro Yuki So you think that Akatsuki is a plothole, and that it somehow uses ZAFT's second generation DRAGOON system outside of Akatsuki's original specifications anyway? I see. Shame though. We need more Naturals that just happen to have amazing genes/abilities, and Cagalli would have been a good candidate if she had both abilities. Of course, just developing her SEED mode further in and of itself could be interesting if someone picks her up. I also have to wonder if those Naturals with either of the benefits could then pilot the more complex ZAFT "Coordinator only" machines... Not a plothole, as the Strike Freedom is equipped with the same Super Dragoon system as the Legend, so while the Akatsuki's is called a mobile weapon system, I would think that their developments were strikingly similar. Plus the backpack is described as having the system... The Akatsuki used by Orb Union during the second war can be equipped with an optional backpack called the "Shiranui" Space Pack, which uses a system similar the DRAGOON system - the M531R Guided Mobile Beam Turret System. ((Also the unit wasn't completed in time for the first war and put on ice because of its complex state in the story... I smell plot device.)) One of the disadvantages for the RP is the fact that naturals by the story can't pilot mobile suits until the natural OS is developed. I'm thinking to move the introduction of that OS ahead so more have a chance, but the original gundams did have an incomplete natural OS. Murrue was even able to 'pilot' it for a couple minutes before kira took over.
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:37 pm
I ponder this particularly because I want to play a character who was raised by his father to be ignorant of if he was a Natural or a Coordinator so he would join neither camp's rhetoric, but when it comes to piloting these machines...it's kind of an either-or thing early on. You either suck at piloting (Natural), pilot a ZAFT machine (Coordinator), or have to fix the OS of the G-Weapons to be useful (Coordinator).
Or you can pull a Lowe and use a Learning Computer debatably jacked from an ancient adrift and dubiously not-quite-canon Core Fighter from the original RX-78-2 Gundam to do the heavy work.
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:43 pm
Toshiro Yuki I ponder this particularly because I want to play a character who was raised by his father to be ignorant of if he was a Natural or a Coordinator so he would join neither camp's rhetoric, but when it comes to piloting these machines...it's kind of an either-or thing early on. You either suck at piloting (Natural), pilot a ZAFT machine (Coordinator), or have to fix the OS of the G-Weapons to be useful (Coordinator). Or you can pull a Lowe and use a Learning Computer debatably jacked from an ancient adrift and dubiously not-quite-canon Core Fighter from the original RX-78-2 Gundam to do the heavy work. Again, Murrue had piloted it and they were training up pilots for the G weapons so a natural should theoretically be able to pilot one, just not at top speed immediately. For the few naturals that would pilot a G weapon they would need to have the suit calibrated either by a coordinator or over the course of X amount of battles. I also want a character who is a natural to pilot one of the G weapons, although this has been the question. I think the best thing will actually be something I'll be implementing with the Arch Angel recruits (non-EA soldiers who will become them) where they have a family connection to the G projects. ((Also GSD Astray explained where those AI came from, remember?))
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:15 pm
Yeah, I know they're Morgenroete computers and such, and even helped make the Raysta, I was just giving a jab to the original reason they tried to use linking UC and CE. It was so non-canon it hurt.
And perhaps my character could pilot one, maybe take one during the Morgenroete raid or something. Perhaps he's a salvager and maintains their Mobile Pods and workloaders...still considering options. He'd be pro Orb more than pro-Alliance though...and NOT like the Alliance' violation of Orb's neutrality.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:47 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:34 pm
Man when was the last time I visited this guild. Its a relic. Lets revive it!
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iHollisterKay Vice Captain
Fashionable Businesswoman
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:55 pm
As I prefer versatile units which can swap equipment as needed, I formally request the Strike.
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:12 pm
iHollisterKay Man when was the last time I visited this guild. Its a relic. Lets revive it! Agreed! Hopefully more Reconstruction people join in. Toshiro Yuki As I prefer versatile units which can swap equipment as needed, I formally request the Strike. I'm actually going to make a list for the roles available that will show what's available and what's not. These character roles will mostly encompass the positions of the characters in the story, not their personalities, but some will have connecting relations.
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:57 am
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:39 am
I'm thinking of this as a draft:
(Kira) Coordinator male, brother of cagali role, mobile suit pilot
(Athrun) Coordinator, fiance to Lacus role, mobile suit pilot
(Cagalli) Natural female, sister to 'kira' role, caring fighter
(Lacus) Coordinator, Fiance to Athrun role, pacifist, idol
(Flay) Natural, manipulative
(Mu La Flaga) Natural, Mentor to Archangel crew ,experienced Mobile Armor pilot
(Murrue Ramius) Natural, inexperienced captain of Archangel
(Natalie) Natural Female, serious-military attitude, XO of Archangel
(Rau) Nemesis of Mu character, Mobile suit commander
(I think that's it for the mains and even sides for the beginning. Without more interest I'll stick with this. Not sure if I wanted to add in all factions and mobile suit assignments to the characters on the get-go or not.)
Archangel (captain)-
Duel-
Buster-
Strike-
Blitz-
Aegis-
Moebius Zero-
GINN's/CGUE's-
((I might also bring in weapons that appear in the GSD but are technically feasibly/available in the first war should the story take longer to progress, which I'm actually hoping for. *looks to variants such as ZAKU mass production trial type*))
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:27 am
I would like the Strike and the Kira role, of course. Also, if my character is a salvager, he might be able to recover some GINNs and reprogram them for the Archangel's use depending on the situation. In your other RP though, you said those machines tended to explode rather than be captured...
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