Introduction
The battle system has been one of the most talked about features on Gaia. People have been suggesting weapons for years, and frankly the admin must be sick of weapon requests. Most people are for it, but some are against it. Some pictures have been released about it, but very few are clear about anything. I have gathered pictures from all over the place to display here, and I have described them to the best of my ability. If you have any comments, suggestions, or observations of your own, please post. I predict the battle system will come out in November 2006, along with Gaia beta around that time. Please remember there are features that the admins are keeping secret, and won't tell us until near their release time!
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Last updated: 12/02/06
History:
27/02/05: Made the thread and posted in a few places. Lots of Feedback and comments!
28/02/05: Must update this majorly and thank people. There is lots of work to do!
23/03/05: Updated some lists and I am currently looking for other pics related to the battle system. I have already found one!
12/02/06: Added more credit, lots more research done as updates are apparent.
13/02/06: Added the pic from the donation banner/wikipedia info.
23/02/06: Added a couple more pictures and credits.
Weapons:
Swords (There seems to be several variations/upgrades)
Spears (A few kinds spotted, bendy for some reason)
Whack-a-noodles have been confirmed in Mikles update F&Q (see link below)
Spanner-like weapons (attributed to the engineer
Magic staffs (also books have been seen on drawings, magic seems to be an element)
Rifles (As seen in battle teaser)
Fists (The absence of weapons is apparent)
Spears (Possibly - hunter?)
Whack-a-noodles.
Types of battling avatar established:
These are referred to as 'jobs' or 'classes'.
Knight
Mage
Rifleman (Has been confirmed)
Thief
Ninja
Cleric
Archer/Bowman?
Engineer? (How else could we explain that spanner like weapon?)
Note:
Will the following be weapons?
-Angelic/Demonic pitchfork - Maybe.
-Fire/Ice gauntlets - Maybe.
-Fishing rods - No way.
-Angelic parasol/Aegis sword - Maybe. Aegis sword more likely than angelic parasol.
-Big catching net - Nope.
Quote from sykosilver's/mikle's update F&Q:
Battle System - darknrgy is now working on the battle system. ^^ The battle system will let users battle eachother! There will be a large variety of attacks and skills, alongside classes for your character, such as rifleman. Also, each character will have stats. These stats will be affected by the items you're wearing! OoO If you don't want to battle, there'll be a feature to not fight. In development!
Weapons/Armor/RPG Clothes - Also with beta and the battle system, there will be items mad for use with battling! The most obvious is
weapons. :3 There will be a large variety, including new and old styles of weaponry, plus some wierd ones like Whack-a-noodles. XD Also, there'll be armor to protect yourself with! If you don't want to be armor-clad, that's okay, because they'll have other fantasy/rpg/sci-fi outfits too. ^^
If I am not allowed to use anything in this thread please pm me, and i will take it down immediately.
This picture is know as the battle teaser, confirming the battle system's future release. There are several things we can deduce from this picture. It shows a range of weapons, and some new items. We can't identify too much as the avatars are darkened out. We can also deduce that the admin have been hard at work developing the battle system, and that many weapons have already been made. It is reasonable to expect that the better, more elaborate weapons are being kept a secret. This battle teaser is the most important image in regards to the battle system. It gives some evidence as to what the drawn pictures may look like as avatars, it's well known and it proves the admin have made weapons and are testing/programming the battle system.
This picture, displays a house with two avatars in it. There are a host of new items on it, and also weapons (the things im interested in). If you look closely, you can see the female avatar holding 2 swords, they are short and probably compensate attack, for speed and number of attacks. They could even be daggers. If you would divert your eyes to the male avatar, he has 1 long-ish sword. To me, this seems like quite a default weapon, or possibly an upgrade or slight variation. Note also the suit of armour in the corner, this could be a normal house ornament or it could be a proper suit of armour to wear during battles. This picture is very improtant, as it was the first picture displaying coloured avatars with weapons, and armour. It also gives evidence towards what kinds of warrior there can be. If you look at the female avatar above and also look at the battle teaser below, 5th avatar from the right, you will see the avatars are one in the same. Thanks to ragnarok-moogle for noticing this. If you look below the female avatar, you will see the shadow of the male avatar in the picture with the house.
This is the latest and greatest version of the labelled sillhouette diagram. This details the most logical avatar types, judgding by attire and weapons held.
Another detailed guide, showing what possible warriors might be. This picture displays lots of new weapons and items. It shows a jagged dagger of some kind, an alternative spear, a wierd cyan hammer thing, a magical staff (or possibly two) and armour. Some of the weapons seen on this picture explain some of the wierd shapes we can see on the battle teaser, with the blacked out avatars. Very interesting indeed. You can relate quite a few of the drawings with tha blacked out avatars in the battle teaser.
These pics have been found around the site. They detail what these warriors will probably be. You can relate a couple of these to the battle teaser, and show that these drawing have been made a reality.
This picture shows an avatar with a spear. This is the first real weapon seen clearly, and could be avatar art. This picture is not seen on the battle teaser, which means it may very well be clever avatar art. Here's hoping.
This is a battle banner, and a variation of what youve seen earlier. Thanks again to healer guy for finding it. This was the original from when Gaia online was called go-gaia. I know this is basically a repeated picture in some senses, (see above) but it displays that the battle system idea has been around for a very long time. It also has drawings illustrated in the battle teaser.
From the art arena - these drawings show armour and a sword. They seem to be knights from the battle teaser.
The following pictures are just drawings that don't seem to be confirmed avatar accesories yet. They still have something to do with the battle system though, so i decided to include them in my investigation.
This is the Gambino Weapon shop. It has on the roof, 2 swords. One looks distinctly western and the other looks like a pirate sword. In the future, we will be able to buy weapons here. Remember this place, as weapons won't be cheap.
These weapons have been on display in barton for a long time. There are standard swords there, and also arrows. Hopefully, the confirms the release of bows and arrows. The swords are of varying sizes and lengths, probably giving them different attributes. Possibly there will be an 'archer' type of avatar?
This picture can be found when you click on forums, its the forum banner. It displays a man with a sword on his back, like Cloud from final fantasy 7. It looks similar to one of the swords found in the Barton store (see above).
The picture above shows medieval armour, and 2 kinds of shield aswell as some kind of medium sized sword. Could we have armour like Leon's? The 2 shields may be variations or upgrades of each other, and give the battle system a defence concious aspect. With this one - i may have gone too far.
This is a picture of 72squared, submitted to me by Axmainian of GIT. The avatar appears to have a baton-type weapon. However, this weapon doesn't seem to be on the teaser banner, or anywhere else for that matter! The baton looks very tampered with, or maybe created by someone. I still can't decide. Very interesting though.
This is the Aegis sword. The first example of a credible weapon - released as january's donation item. Very cool - but may not be used as a sword in the battle system.
Notes:
2 weapons at once may well be available - as is shown in the diagram above, (a woman with 2 bows) proves. Quivers etc and sheaths may be seperate apparel but may come with weapons.
There are plenty of banners and coats of arms around the website - these may be related to the battle system too.
There is what looks like an oil rig by Gambino's island - this has been suggested as being a rest stop for weary battlers. Dubious.
This picture, drawn bu VO and designed by Saka (I think) is some more evidence toward a 'Mage' job or class. However, as it's in a different style of animation than the others it may just be simple art rather than an intended representation.
This picture is under the downloads section of the website. It shows the demonic pitchfork, the angelic staff and a large sword (similar to Cloud'ds only smaller) all wielded in a weapon like manner. This is evidence to suggest that the demonic pitchfork and angelic staff wil be weapons.
Recent evidence: (the following are from the BST)
Darknrgy's Reply
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darknrgy Wrote:
I know you guys/girls have been extremely patient with our progress on the Battle system. I greatly appreciate your interest and hope we can make something that everyone can enjoy.
For the time being, there is a lot of ground work that still needs to be done. Many things that need to be worked on a technical level, and things that need to be worked out on a gameplay level, are still in development. As I'm sure you are aware, we've got like 489457497 projects going on and only a handfull of people do develop, support, test, etc.
We'll be going full-swing battle system development once we have some of the other ground work done (namely avatar stuff). At that time, we'll be going through the BST/WST threads and mining them for good ideas.
Please don't think we're ignoring you, we've just got a lot of factors to work with to make this happen.
When we have more details about the game play worked out, we'll try to let you know enough to make suggestions, but keep in mind we want the specifics to be a surprise. Additionally, the system will most likely come out in phases, which means we'll have many chances to make changes.
Until then, keep em coming, and I'll keep you posted!
I know you guys/girls have been extremely patient with our progress on the Battle system. I greatly appreciate your interest and hope we can make something that everyone can enjoy.
For the time being, there is a lot of ground work that still needs to be done. Many things that need to be worked on a technical level, and things that need to be worked out on a gameplay level, are still in development. As I'm sure you are aware, we've got like 489457497 projects going on and only a handfull of people do develop, support, test, etc.
We'll be going full-swing battle system development once we have some of the other ground work done (namely avatar stuff). At that time, we'll be going through the BST/WST threads and mining them for good ideas.
Please don't think we're ignoring you, we've just got a lot of factors to work with to make this happen.
When we have more details about the game play worked out, we'll try to let you know enough to make suggestions, but keep in mind we want the specifics to be a surprise. Additionally, the system will most likely come out in phases, which means we'll have many chances to make changes.
Until then, keep em coming, and I'll keep you posted!
FAQ
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Will there be magic in the battle system?
In response to that question at a convention...
Lanzer Wrote:
What kind of roleplaying games have you been playing?
Meaning yes, of course.
Will there be modern weapons (GUNS) in the battle system?
Going out on a limb here, but based upon Durem being modern, and Aekea being high tech, the answer is YES, there will be modern weapons... There is also confirmation of something resembling a light saber (although, to avoid being sued, it will not be called a light saber, like the ZONY discman not being named Sony..).
Virtually every type of weapon has already been suggested, especially swords of all sizes and shapes, as well as guns of all models and makes.
Wow, So you are one of the Mods making the Battle System?
Nope, Mods actually only moderate, from what we have heard, the Developer (or Dev) Darkngry is the one that's supposed to be making it. N.O.W.A.R. is a shared account to be used by the users that take care of the BST, none of us have influence on the project.
Will be battle system come out soon?
The original thread was made way back in Feb 2003. On 2004 we created this new thread, because the original thread creator had long ago left, and we opted for this new, better thread, shared so that a bunch of people will be able to edit it.
The admins, when asked, say that the battle system will be made, after some of the prequisite features and hardware are made. For example, they've made the multiplayer feature for games, so now all games can have chat and multiplayer.
On 2005, when asked at Fanime, they said they had some hardware issues before they start making it.
Yep, "start making it", the Admins haven't even begun, there's only a few words on paper, as Jakobo confirmed over over here they are still working on it.
So when will it come out?
After Towns, Quests, and everything else.
Specifically? we don't know, it's done when it's done.
Maaan, you need to be a grade A math student to post here...
Many have this fear, but we are just much more geeky, not better at math. If you've played DnD 3rd edition, and created a class, the same thing goes here, we take parts from old games and create new versions that suit Gaia, we also post systems and formulas, here comes the scary part; As you might have noticed, Cloud Strife does around 300-350 points of damage (at lv 1 probably icon_rolleyes.gif ) this number is generated based on your Stg stat, lv and some other things.
We post a bunch of formulas because they are an integral part of making a game's features a system.
In response to that question at a convention...
Lanzer Wrote:
What kind of roleplaying games have you been playing?
Meaning yes, of course.
Will there be modern weapons (GUNS) in the battle system?
Going out on a limb here, but based upon Durem being modern, and Aekea being high tech, the answer is YES, there will be modern weapons... There is also confirmation of something resembling a light saber (although, to avoid being sued, it will not be called a light saber, like the ZONY discman not being named Sony..).
Virtually every type of weapon has already been suggested, especially swords of all sizes and shapes, as well as guns of all models and makes.
Wow, So you are one of the Mods making the Battle System?
Nope, Mods actually only moderate, from what we have heard, the Developer (or Dev) Darkngry is the one that's supposed to be making it. N.O.W.A.R. is a shared account to be used by the users that take care of the BST, none of us have influence on the project.
Will be battle system come out soon?
The original thread was made way back in Feb 2003. On 2004 we created this new thread, because the original thread creator had long ago left, and we opted for this new, better thread, shared so that a bunch of people will be able to edit it.
The admins, when asked, say that the battle system will be made, after some of the prequisite features and hardware are made. For example, they've made the multiplayer feature for games, so now all games can have chat and multiplayer.
On 2005, when asked at Fanime, they said they had some hardware issues before they start making it.
Yep, "start making it", the Admins haven't even begun, there's only a few words on paper, as Jakobo confirmed over over here they are still working on it.
So when will it come out?
After Towns, Quests, and everything else.
Specifically? we don't know, it's done when it's done.
Maaan, you need to be a grade A math student to post here...
Many have this fear, but we are just much more geeky, not better at math. If you've played DnD 3rd edition, and created a class, the same thing goes here, we take parts from old games and create new versions that suit Gaia, we also post systems and formulas, here comes the scary part; As you might have noticed, Cloud Strife does around 300-350 points of damage (at lv 1 probably icon_rolleyes.gif ) this number is generated based on your Stg stat, lv and some other things.
We post a bunch of formulas because they are an integral part of making a game's features a system.
Info from an interview with Lanzer, on wikipedia:
Features to Come
Guild Halls - At Otakon 2k5 the Gaia administrators stated that Guild Halls will be released in the future, these places will be huge Homes in the town system for the entire guild to live in.
Housing Rares - Rares for housing will also come with the upcoming housing 1.5 upgrade. The items are still unknown, though.
RPG/Quest System - The Gaia Online Role-Playing game will allow users to participate in both individual and group/guild quests, where they may possibly gain exclusive items. Some of these items may be parts used in combinations to create equipable items for the user's avatar. Two Quest items have already been confirmed. Angelic and Demonic Backwings will be earned through a difficult quest. In the RPG you will do task for various NPCs.
Class System - Even before the Battle System comes out, users will be able to choose their job class. No definite classes are known. A significant amount of weapons and fantasy/role-playing related clothing may be released alongside the class system. Some currently released items, such as the Staff of the Angels, Demonic Pitchfork, and Fire/Ice Gauntlets, have been confirmed as probable weapons. It was recently mentioned that Gaia-specific classes, such as "Spammer" may be added in addition to traditional RPG professions.
Battle System - A fully-functional battle system designed to allow users to engage in interactive battles against monsters, and later on possibly even other users. Said to be based off of Final Fantasy Tactics, the battle system will likely be isometric grid-based, much like how Gaia Homes are. The battle system will incorporate the class/job system and weapons which can be equipped to the user's avatar. While many users are eagerly anticipating the release of the battle system, just as many others are worried about the influx of new users that this will bring to the site, causing inflation in the pixelated items. Many users are also worried about the server issues that both the new feature and the aforementioned increase in new users will probably bring. There has been no confirmed information about the structure or flow of the battle system.
Conclusions:
-The Admin have been hard at work developing the battle system and it's components/items.
-Many weapons have already been designed and developed, many already are compatible with avatars.
-Armour has been designed and developed.
-Several classes have already been made. This is likely to work on a rock paper scissors system.
-The classes and weapons have been drawn in anime as well as in Gaia graphics.
-The battle system will take a long time to complete. Don't hold your breath.
-Weapon-like items, like the gauntlets and pitchforks may be released as weapons.
More pics and info as i get them!
Please pm me if i have included something of yours and haven't credited you, or if you have any ideas. Thankyou.
Thanks to:
Blessed Blade
Healer Guy
Ragnarok Moogle
Pockyfille
Cadbury creme egg
~AngelsVermilion~
Fayt the demon slayer
Meaco
Pyro_Warrior
These guys all made awesome suggestions and supported them with evidence and pictures. Its because of guys like you that I don't miss anything - thanks!
Links:
Sykosilver and Mikles update F&Q
Battle Suggestion thread
Silver Archangel - evidence and discussion
Tektek - Lots of gaia tools
Evidence and discussion from N.O.W.A.R
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