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 Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:13 pm
This is the Official Discussion thread of what has been named around the guild as the "Asterisk Debate". As always please stay civil and respectful of each others opinions and view points.
As a side note especially for this topic, I'd like to request that all discussion and friendly debate about this please be kept to this thread to keep things civil, friendly, and lighthearted in the rest of the guild. Thank you!
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:09 pm
what is the asterisk suppose to mean? I've seen it before.
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:52 pm
Let's start with this. The Definition Asterisk ˈastəˌrisk/ noun 1. A symbol (*) used to mark printed or written text, typically as a reference to an annotation or to stand for omitted matter. So in this case Trans- would be the prefix for many gender identities, including but not limited to these. TransGender, TransSexual, TransMan, TransWoman, TransMasculine, TransFeminine, TransMale, TransFemale. These are all just examples but since most of these only really show (by definition) those that still identify or express themselves within the 'binary' of Male and Female. The only real visibility that other genders had was using either Transgender or Transexual to try and explain themselves. Since there is more to the Transgender community though than just those and since they don't all have the Trans- prefix the asterisk was added.
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:35 pm
RynDraik Let's start with this. The Definition Asterisk ˈastəˌrisk/ noun 1. A symbol (*) used to mark printed or written text, typically as a reference to an annotation or to stand for omitted matter. So in this case Trans- would be the prefix for many gender identities, including but not limited to these. TransGender, TransSexual, TransMan, TransWoman, TransMasculine, TransFeminine, TransMale, TransFemale. These are all just examples but since most of these only really show (by definition) those that still identify or express themselves within the 'binary' of Male and Female. The only real visibility that other genders had was using either Transgender or Transexual to try and explain themselves. Since there is more to the Transgender community though than just those and since they don't all have the Trans- prefix the asterisk was added. Thank you! I did some research (which i should have done before i asked you,lol sorry) I'm new to this concept but after reading a little more about it i can understand why people started using the asterisk at first but i personally do not like it. I have always felt that the term Trans already included non-binary and other gender-queer identities.
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:45 pm
That's understandable. Personally, before it was introduced I felt the same way for a while. Before I came out to myself as being an FtM. I identified as genderfluid and TransMasculine. I actually started to catch alot of flack from FtM's and MtF's when I started to reach out to others online (since I didn't know anyone in RL that was Trans*). Alot of them were stating that because I didn't identify as the opposite of what my assigned sex at birth was that I wasn't 'really Trans'. Me being me, I responded with the definition. That someone that is Trans is someone that's gender differs from the sex assigned at birth. Even though the guild and thread have the asterisk I don't feel that it's utterly necessary because to me they're both the same. However, when I came across the information about adding the asterisk, I liked what it said and that is why I use it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:54 am
I personally like the asterisk partly because it looks grammatically correct to me and partly because I think asterisks look nice in general. sweatdrop I think that comes from learning an asterisk always meant "more information" - when you're reading and run into one it usually means there's a footer expanding on a concept or defining a term. More knowledge equals a better understanding, better understanding equals better appreciation for the topic, and so on. When I learned there were gender identities beyond a binary the light went on, I saw it worded as "trans*" and accepted that since.
I pay attention to individuals' profiles to make sure I'm not using a descriptor wrong. If someone says "I'm trans" then they're trans, if they say "I'm trans*" then they're trans* and so on. I personally read trans/trans* as a general equivalent but understand some don't see it that way. Is this change something that started online with an overall younger generation?
I think the evolution of gender non-binary language is super-interesting! I speak to my younger sister (who is gender-nonconforming) about it and they get frustrated, feeling that people get bogged down in bits of words when there are bigger issues when it comes to acceptance. I agree it can get frustrating, but I also think most people have an innate desire for belonging someplace and wanting a word to describe that, a way of showing an identity that not only links them to their fellows but provides a way for cisgender people to better understand something that's usually difficult for them to wrap their head around.
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:30 am
I prefer just trans, without the asterisk. (-:
Reason is, because I've always thought it's an umbrella term. I've studied some Latin, I can't help but literally read it sometimes, since it means "go over, trough, pass" et cetera, depends how it's used --> So I think it just means trans is a person who challenges gender identity given them from the outside to realize it to the world who they actually are.
- This is just what I think personally, everyone is free to define their experiences just how they want. emotion_yatta
However, if someone feels that to them the term "trans*" is more inclusive, then by all means it is more inclusive to that person. No problem there.
Yes, at first I SURE DID look for a footnote and it was funny because I thought they used asterisk because they had narrowed it down to just some trans people and now needed to specify what kind of, total opposite first impression, LOL.
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:41 pm
Meowington-Flash RynDraik Let's start with this. The Definition Asterisk ˈastəˌrisk/ noun 1. A symbol (*) used to mark printed or written text, typically as a reference to an annotation or to stand for omitted matter. So in this case Trans- would be the prefix for many gender identities, including but not limited to these. TransGender, TransSexual, TransMan, TransWoman, TransMasculine, TransFeminine, TransMale, TransFemale. These are all just examples but since most of these only really show (by definition) those that still identify or express themselves within the 'binary' of Male and Female. The only real visibility that other genders had was using either Transgender or Transexual to try and explain themselves. Since there is more to the Transgender community though than just those and since they don't all have the Trans- prefix the asterisk was added. Thank you! I did some research (which i should have done before i asked you,lol sorry) I'm new to this concept but after reading a little more about it i can understand why people started using the asterisk at first but i personally do not like it. I have always felt that the term Trans already included non-binary and other gender-queer identities. ^^^^ yes! Pretty much how I feel about it. Though I'm not gonna be bothered if anyone is more comfortable with the asterisk. I just personally prefer not to use it considering how binary it often is related to.
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