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Indicrow

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:57 am


For several years ever since I was about 11 (almost 7 years ago) I've been thinking on the Universe and what it holds. I've heard some theories such as the Big Bang Theory and things similar to that. But one theory that I believe to be true has never shown itself to me. Thus I came up with my own.

Try to stay with me, my friends.

My belief is that the Universe is infinite, never had a beginning nor and ending. Most people cannot grasp this concept because it seems impossible, but numbers are infinite are they not?

We have not found the edge of the Universe there is only a theory that there is an edge to the Universe. The Big Bang is only a theory as well. And yes, this is also a theory, but of which I believe may have actual possibility.

Imagine, a circle. Now trace that circle, continue, is there a true end point? No. Now make it a sphere and go around the entire thing, is there any true end point? No. You may have began somewhere but you once were in a different place before that space you began on.

Now if I just confused you on that last part, forget it, I can understand how that may be confusing. My point is, who is to say that the Universe can't be infinite? How come people can't think about something that has always existed and will continue to exist(though one can't truly say what existence is)?

I have also gone beyond this to go onto the connection with my theory and the Big Bang Theory.

The Big Bang Theory states that the Universe began from a dense sphere of matter that kept getting smaller until it exploded, right? Well then what created that sphere of matter? Scientists have said that the Universe may collapse on itself and the Big Ban may start all over again, but then again, isn't that just being infinite? If something ends and begins over and over again without stopping, isn't that what makes something infinite?

Your questions and views?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:11 pm


Nice idea, but I've heard it before, as well as thought it before.

The earliest I've heard this is Nietzsche's idea of eternal recurrence...

Scientifically, I think the movement of stars that we've managed to see suggest that the universe is expanding in all directions... I'm not so sure of the science behind it, but I remember reading an explanation that involves something along those lines.

Also, there have been several models of the universe suggesting that it is limited in some way.

(Also, in mathematics, numbers aren't infinite. The scale of numbers goes on infinitely, yes, but numbers themselves are always finite. Infinity is, in fact, not a real number. There are an infinite amount of numbers, but then, numbers don't always necessarily represent something in real life. They just usually do.)

Edit: Nice independent thinking, though.

Phaedrus17


DamionLee

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:20 pm


I agree with Phaedrus17, excellent independent thinking.

Here's a couple things to think about though:

With your circle idea, you have to start somewhere, correct? Well then, where were you before you entered the circle? Assuming one can enter and leave the circle, the circle itself must exist somewhere.

Secondly, the term Universe, as I think it is best defined, is "everything in existence." So, whatever is not in the universe is not in existence. Now, no 'thing' can be not in existence, otherwise it's not a thing.

I agree with you though, the universe must be infinite, to us mortals. Not to bring up God, but we, as humans, exist in the universe. We cannot begin to think of something that does not exist, because we have no grounds to go from. So, to us, the universe is everything.

Anyways, as an end note, you would love a pre-socratic philosopher called "Parmenides." Find his stuff and have a blast.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:35 pm


DamionLee
I agree with Phaedrus17, excellent independent thinking.

Here's a couple things to think about though:

With your circle idea, you have to start somewhere, correct? Well then, where were you before you entered the circle? Assuming one can enter and leave the circle, the circle itself must exist somewhere.

Secondly, the term Universe, as I think it is best defined, is "everything in existence." So, whatever is not in the universe is not in existence. Now, no 'thing' can be not in existence, otherwise it's not a thing.

I agree with you though, the universe must be infinite, to us mortals. Not to bring up God, but we, as humans, exist in the universe. We cannot begin to think of something that does not exist, because we have no grounds to go from. So, to us, the universe is everything.

Anyways, as an end note, you would love a pre-socratic philosopher called "Parmenides." Find his stuff and have a blast.


I think I might do that, thank you. ^_^

Indicrow


Sheramaile

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:08 pm


I'm not an astro-physicist, but how do you even define an infinite universe? Surely you aren't saying there is infinite matter, and stars, and planets, etc. So do you mean if I took off in a spaceship and started flying, that I could go on "forever", if that were feasible? Isn't most of the physical universe just nothingness? Then how can nothingness be infinite? It isn't quantitative, it's qualitative. If you are discussing the infinite qualities of the universe, than that is a different discussion.

My suggestion is to pin down certain aspects of your idea, and expound upon them, and flesh them out. Right now your idea is vague, and thus difficult to discuss, because we aren't really sure what you mean, exactly.

Keep up the work!
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