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Fancy name for taking an embryo out of a mother and growing it in an artificial womb.

I don't exactly like this concept because the testing stage will end up killing lots of embryos, most likely.

But if it happens, it'll end the argument for bodily integrity since the embryo can be removed from her body and still live.

What do you think about it? Do you think that people would stop supporting abortion, or do you think that many who are pro-choice don't necessarily care about bodily integrity but about their DNA being in the world? If an embryo was able to survive in one of these contraptions, would it be given the same legal status as a human on any other type of life support since it would be completely separated from the mother? If this is the case, does that mean that location is the only thing they have to go on? If location defines personhood, then I'll be damned if I don't kill anyone I consentually have sex with for being on (and in) my body and get away with it.

And then of course there's the whole cloning thing.

Dear lord that movie was depressing.

To them, Viable means survival out side the mother. BUt they woudl change their argument wiht the advent of AWs to Viable menaing survival with out extrenal aid. And then they woudl be ******** over just about ever one hospitalised.

Any ways

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Its hard to decide. Many of them will be for it. There are genuinly pro-choicers who ar eonly choice because they see it as an appropriate alternative and would be agianst it if there was a way around it that didn't include the mother having to put up with the child. As cruel as that is, it is some hope...

Other want abortion to still be legal because, as you said, they feel they should have a right over their DNA. Well, that argument dosn't even work in the current debate sinc eits no longer her DNA, only half. Also, if a woman should have her righ tover her DNA, she shoudl be allowed to kill her off spring no matter what the age, and I knwo that only a very minute number of choicers would support this.

It wouldn't change viability completly, only viability out sid eof the mother. It would, how ever, drasticly change the way we look at the young human now.

Although, I can see a whole new can of worms opening form this. Science goes both ways. With the artificial womb we coudl study human growth at it's earlist stages in great detail, this could ultimatly have some science corperations wanting mothers to donate their young for scientific study. There is alot that goes with that, and it happens even to day with abortion.

The ultimat thign is, no, it would not get rid of the abortion mentality. It woudl greatly reduce it how ever. Also, how much when an artificial womb cost? And if woman learned that they coudl simply incubate it out side of them, think of how many we would need. Millions. There is also morals besides scientific study. SOme woman would want to incubate out side of them and then later take the child back once viable. There owuld have to be a system and a program for only a certain number of woman. Such as those with complications. And with that system and program, many woman who can't get on it will still want abortion available.

eek I've never heard of such a thing. It really gives me something to think about, though! 3nodding

I really dont like that concept. I'm a naturalist, so it kind of goes against nature in ways. Not only that but If I was "born" that way, I wouldn't feel like a person. But thats just me.

Heres an old pro-choiser addage. Babies and infants, usialy below two years of age, do not understand that they exist. Since they do not know that they exist, or what existence really is, then by your own admission, they are not real.

Because of that philosophy, I have to beleive there is somthign more powerful out side the realm of understanding. IE, a god.

^Philosophy, not fact^

WHat I said also still holds true. If self awarness is the only source of proving ones existence, then you can't say that trees and racosk exist since they are not self aware.

Aswell, self awarness doe snot proove existence, it only prooves you are self aware and know oyu exist. It does not proove your existence to others. Once again, I feel there needs ot be a higher power in order to proove existence.