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Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:18 pm


I thought about psotign the article in quote form, but I figured it better to post the link too so oyu could browse the site afterward (its a christian site)

http://www.lifeissues.org/men/index.html

Quote:
January 22, 2003 marked the 30th anniversary of the US Supreme Court's decision to legalize abortion for any reason throughout the nine months of pregnancy. According to the abortion industry's own statistics, since that time, over 42 million babies have been sacrificed on the altar of "choice". Nearly half (48%) of all the women who abort, are having more than one. It is not that unusual to talk to young women who have had four or more abortions. This means that a significant percentage of the childbearing population in America is using abortion as a means of birth control.

With each passing year, the abortion industry adds to the growing mountain of tiny corpses, leaving in its wake, physical and emotional devastation. Stop for a moment to consider an often-surprising segment of society that has been victimized by abortion.

Kansas City Star Obituaries
June 5, 2002

Zachary Duncan Draper
December 2001 - May 17, 2002
Memorial services were held June 1, 2002, at D.W. Newcomer's Oaklawn Memorial Gardens, Olathe, KS. Zachary Duncan Draper was beautiful as his mother, loved by God and others. My little baby boy didn't make it to his Daddy's arms. I never got to hold and kiss him, tell him stories or read him rhymes. I love you Zachary and look forward to seeing you in heaven. Survivors include his father, Brad Draper of Kansas City, MO and his mother, of Overland Park, KS. (Arrangements: D.W. Newcomer's Sons Johnson County Funeral Chapel.)


Brad Draper was very excited about his girlfriend's pregnancy. He had seen ultra sound images of his son and was looking forward to fatherhood, until the mother aborted the baby without telling him.

Devastated, Brad honored Zachary by placing the above obituary in the paper and holding a memorial service. September 10, 2002, Zachary's due date, was more than he could endure. Brad went to the parking lot of the Planned Parenthood abortion clinic and shot himself in the head. He died later that night at a hospital.

There has been precious little research done to document post-abortion stress in the fathers of aborted babies. The most comprehensive study to date involved 1,000 men who completed questionnaires in 30 different abortion clinics as they waited for their partner's abortion, after which, follow up occurred. The result showed that eight percent or more have been deeply traumatized by the abortion.

That means we may have more than 3.2 million walking wounded, men who are struggling with very serious emotional baggage. Further, this may only be the tip of the iceberg because there are an untold number who are suffering significantly, but to a lesser extent.

God has blessed man with a desire to provide for and protect his family. A crucial part of providing for his family is success in the job environment. Today's society largely judges a man's success or failure based upon his career achievements. A man's self-esteem will often rise or fall on his success in this area. Providing for his family is central to a man's psyche. An equally powerful instinct is a man's desire to protect his family, which should not be underestimated.

When an abortion takes place, these crucial, God-given instincts are often damaged or totally obliterated. This is typically the reason that we see the onset of symptoms of post-abortion stress. They say that the conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good. The conscience, in a significant number of fathers who lose a child to abortion, kicks into overtime and wreaks emotional havoc.

In May 1996, a young man from Minneapolis was dating a woman with an 18-month-old daughter from a previous relationship. She became pregnant and he was elated. Tragically, without his knowledge or consent, she aborted their baby. Furious, he went to her house where an argument ensued and escalated. He pulled out a gun and said that because she killed his baby, he was going to kill hers. He then shot and killed the woman's daughter in front of the mother. Then, in another act of cruelty, he took his own life. He allowed the mother to live to grieve the loss of her two children - one born and one unborn.

Anger is one symptom that I believe is present in every father who experiences abortion. Further, this anger will cause a man to act negatively toward himself or someone around him, possibly an innocent bystander.

Early pioneers of counseling fathers with post-abortion stress have coined the term "hooking". A man may see, hear, smell or otherwise experiences something that triggers a memory of the abortion. This memory is then often translated into anger, which is usually directed at the nearest person, place or thing. This can be experienced subconsciously, leaving both the perpetrator and victim in the dark as to why this negative reaction has occurred.

In addition to anger, a man might experience grief, shame, guilt and remorse. Insomnia may be a constant companion, as well as an overwhelming feeling of helplessness and hopelessness. He may exhibit poor coping skills or an inability to make decisions. His very core, the ability to provide and protect, has been seriously shaken. As a result, he may have little trust or faith in his other abilities.

Most relationships fail after an abortion, and future relationships are often difficult or impossible. Trust dies - soon after the unborn baby - causing many men to be apprehensive about making themselves vulnerable to another pregnancy with no control of the outcome. Some men develop sexual dysfunctions. He may turn to pornography and sexual self-gratification, which provide physical satisfaction, free of the risk of commitment and pregnancy.

Alcohol and drug abuse are common tools to dull the pain. His low self-esteem may result in promiscuity or being a risk-taker - setting himself up for defeat and getting what he feels he deserves when he fails. He may become a workaholic to either avoid people and protect his closely held secret, or to desperately succeed in an important area of his life, countering his failure of protecting his offspring. Other symptoms may include flashbacks, nightmares or self-imposed isolation. Thoughts of suicide are not uncommon.

Generally, it is more difficult for a man than a woman to express his emotional feelings. If a man does not talk or grieve after the abortion, it will be more difficult for him to express his feelings later on. Once he builds a thick wall of secrecy and denial around him, it is harder to reach him emotionally.

Society provides little incentive for a man to grieve the loss of a child to abortion. First, mothers of aborted babies are afforded little sympathy from the professional psychological community. How much more will they refuse to acknowledge post-abortion stress in men? Secondly, society often implies that it is less than manly to cry or show emotions. Therefore, it is very difficult for a hurting man to grieve when there is a built-in bias against doing so.

Most often it is best to have a man counsel a post-abortive father. He needs a safe and minimally gender-neutral environment in which to become vulnerable. He needs to know that he will not be judged or condemned and that everything he shares will be held in the strictest of confidence. Allow him to grieve his loss and shame. Let him cry as much as he needs to. The grief is as real as that caused by the death of a two-year-old toddler. This was his child and, in his heart, he instinctively knows it.

Mark Twain said, "Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." This is truly poignant for post-abortive parents. A crucial aspect of post-abortion counseling is the realization of divine forgiveness. This paves the way for forgiving others and - sometimes the hardest step of all - himself. Several good Bible-based counseling guides are available and should be used.

Not long ago, a man in Southern California seemed to have intentionally barreled his car through the fence surrounding the playground of a daycare center. Among the chaos, he calmly sat behind the wheel of his Buick while children lay trapped underneath, bleeding and dying. Has a past abortion tormented him to the extent of irrationally acting out his anguish? Sadly, abortion most likely will not be considered as a possible mitigating factor. How many acts of violence, great and small, are in reality connected to a past abortion decision?

The grim fact is that fathers of aborted babies are all around us. Many suffer in silence as they struggle to get through each day. They sit uncomfortably in the pews of churches. They are in your church. You and I must reach out to these hurting fathers in love and let them know that, through Christ, there is hope and healing.

Bradley Mattes is a 27- year veteran of the pro-life movement. He is the Executive Director of Life Issues Institute, an international source of pro-life materials and information. Brad counsels and provides a referral system for post-abortive men, and has written and lectured internationally on this topic.





Recommended reading:
Fatherhood Aborted, by Guy Condon and David Hazard. Order Fatherhood Aborted

Men and Abortion, by C. T. Coyle, Ph.D. available through Life Cycle Books, www.lifecyclebooks.com

Men Hurt Too, brochure by Bradley Mattes, available through Hayes Publishing, http://hayespub.tripod.com
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:27 pm


i don't know what i would do if i was in love with someone and she aborted... i would probably just cry, it would really be a horrible situation- someone i loved so much, who i respected, killing our child on a whim...i would possibly break up with her, but most likely come close to hitting her than not have the heart to, just break down and cry

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Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:37 pm


Might I also post these

http://www.lifeissues.org/pba/march-30-2004.htm
http://www.lifeissues.org/pba/april-1-2004.htm
http://www.lifeissues.org/pba/april-5-2004.htm
http://www.lifeissues.org/pba.html



Dissusions before the PBA Ban by Pres. Bush. From begigni to end.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:49 pm


That's really sad. sad

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:15 pm


Oh, I never really thought about the fathers that much, before... those are really sad stories.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:39 pm


I probably would have start crying if I had to read any more of that. It's just so terribly sad. sad

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Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:59 pm


Many phsycyotrist cast off post-abortion stress as a myth invented by lifers. Thats simply sad when there is more then enough scientific evidence for its existence. Its even worse when all psychyotrist, even those that except post-abportion stress can exist in a woman who has received an abortion, pushes PBS in men to the side.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:17 pm


http://www.fatherhoodforever.org/main/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=40

Quote:
When Fathers Can't Protect Their Children

Written by Jeffery M. Leving
In reading President Bush's recent message to the anti-abortion rally about protecting "the lives of innocent children waiting to be born," I was struck by the lack of mention of the father's complete inability to protect his own unborn child. In fact, no one seems to acknowledge a father's rights to have a say in whether his child gets to live.

It's been 30 years since the Supreme Court made its decision in Roe vs. Wade. Despite the passage of that time, the issue remains a fiercely contested debate, with each camp remaining adamant in it attempt to out shout the other. Yet in these three decades, one voice continues to be unheard -- that of the fathers of unborn children.

As a family law attorney, I work daily with anguished fathers who have little or no say in the lives of their children. The agony of these men becomes unimaginable when the child is not yet born and they have no way of protecting the life they helped to create.

With the anniversary of such a significant ruling upon us, a new Congress and debates raging in legislatures across the country, activities on both sides

see now as the time that will make or break Roe. But now is also a chance to balance the rights of the father with those of the mother, putting the focus on the child, and creating the most equitable law possible.

Depriving fathers of a meaningful voice will not solve the problem for anyone. This course would only deny fathers equal protection and due process. Moreover, many children will be far beyond the protective reach of their fathers who want to be included in such a pivotal decision.

Under the Supreme Court rulings made over the course of these three decades, fathers were denied any voice in the issue, whether they were married to the mother or not.

The government has turned the issue of reproductive rights back to the states, and we, as concerned Americans in every state, should use this ruling as the basis to create the fairest and most realistic law possible. To do this, every voice must be heard, even that of fathers.

Jeffery M. Leving is co-author of the Illinois Joint Custody Law and President Emeritus of the Fatherhood Educational Institute (FEI). A family law attorney, he is author of the book "Fathers' Rights" and currently serves on the Congressional Task Force on Fathers, Families & Public Policy. Leving is the founder of DadsRights.com


I thought it made good points. I never realized how many people felt the same thing. I guess I'm lucky. My dad loves us all very much, even my half-sister who isn't technically his daughter. Home videos of him around mom when she was pregnant made me realize he loved us even before we were born. One of the first things I thought of when I learned about abortion was, "What about dads?"

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:24 pm


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Might I also post these

http://www.lifeissues.org/pba/march-30-2004.htm
http://www.lifeissues.org/pba/april-1-2004.htm
http://www.lifeissues.org/pba/april-5-2004.htm
http://www.lifeissues.org/pba.html



Dissusions before the PBA Ban by Pres. Bush. From begigni to end.


What I can't believe as some people had or was will to have partial birh abortion, that's just sick and is murder. Glad it's banned (for once he did something good). But if they waited that long then they should just give birth and give it up for adoption.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:02 am


Now, I will say that I will likely never experience this kind of a negative situation, and I'm glad, honestly, but I'd like to think that if it ever happened, whoever I'm trying to deal with understands my morals and stance on it, before they make their decision.

I just would hope that some people, really, when it comes down to it, wouldn't have an abortion.

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divineseraph

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:05 am


icemaidenyukina
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Might I also post these

http://www.lifeissues.org/pba/march-30-2004.htm
http://www.lifeissues.org/pba/april-1-2004.htm
http://www.lifeissues.org/pba/april-5-2004.htm
http://www.lifeissues.org/pba.html



Dissusions before the PBA Ban by Pres. Bush. From begigni to end.


What I can't believe as some people had or was will to have partial birh abortion, that's just sick and is murder. Glad it's banned (for once he did something good). But if they waited that long then they should just give birth and give it up for adoption.


of course, they are literally, even by the tightest, most incorrect use of the word that choicers so love to mangle, children. babies. the only thing seperating them from the ones in the cribs would be a single cord connecting them to their mother. that's it. isn't one of abortion's suugarcoat-lies that "well, if we remove it and die so wut lol"...stabbing it in the back of the head is hardly "removing", there is direct intent to kill.

thank God it is illegal now though, those ones made me want to bomb a clinic.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:23 am


Product of conception....clump of cells...

Funny thing is, we never stop being products of conception or clumps of cells

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:25 am


You know what I hate?

When you talk to them about a men and abortion, they say, "Well he can just have another child with someone else."

It's not about having a freaking child.

It's about the child that's already in existance that a father wants to protect.

Saying, "He can just find someone else to bear his child," that's like saying to a woman who's just lost her child, "Well what's the big deal? You can always have another one." That wouldn't be much comfort to my mother. Maybe they grow up in families where they're treated like accessories that can be replaced and not like people, but that's not how I work, and that's definitely not how it works for fathers broken by abortion. Otherwise, they wouldn't be freaking upset.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:24 pm


that is so true...fortunately, most people around here are pro-life, or would never have an abortion either way... there is still a planned parenthood (disgustingly misleading name) in rutalnd, i believe i should find out how much they charge for an abortion, write it on a large sign, and under it write "the value of life" under it, then stand at their door. i will likely be the only one, but i believe that may be a more powerful message than a drove of angry yelling people... i will also do that red tape thing, 1- because it helps show the point better, and 2- so i can't lash out at any of them despite how much i would like to verbally tear them apart

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:36 pm


wow. ive never thought about wat abortion does to guys. thats really bad of me. i think it affects guys a lot because the mother is basically saying "i really liked the sex but i dont want to have the baby so im gonna kill it". im sry guys.
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