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 Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:10 pm
This topic would be way too hypocritical if I didn't point out the following: AJ Warner's gimmick comes from a pretty simple concept.
A bitter son-of-a-b***h, AJ has felt like life is like middle-school, and God is the bully who keeps kicking him when he is down and taking whatever is his. The things outside of his control (s**t childhood, younger brother dead at 26, never reaching his full potential because of these things, etc) have transformed Warner from a lovable loser to a vicious and despicable fighter. A man with no limits, no line that's too bold to cross. His therapy is making people understand his bottles emotions through inflicting serious physical pain. Other traits of AJ's include narcissist (because nobody else will feed his ego) and pill addict (his mechanism for coping with life's trauma).
This is not that original of a gimmick. In fact, this is someone I would call a textbook heel.
In the WWE, we see many guys like John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Batista, etc. get pushed to the moon. However, their gimmicks aren't really too different from one another. In fact, it is safe to say they don't even have characters, just nicknames. Guys like Fandango, Zack Ryder, and Damien Sandow are all capable of putting on great matches and they have original gimmicks, but are kept on the very low portion of the card and face the possibility of being future endeavored by the end of the year.
I bring this up because I think we need to push characters who use original and animated characters. We should encourage diversity amongst the roster's performers. It's so easy to get lost in the shuffle when you talk about how you are the best, or how you're shooting for the World Championship.
Use catchphrases! Enhance an original gimmick and separate yourself from generic behaviors! We have a lot of guys like the Number Three, Salem Croft, and Dion Necurat who are rewarded for their proficient writing abilities and unique characters, and rightfully so! But we should also motivate and encourage the Panteras, Tiger Hats, hell... Push Vaseline Man to the moon!
It is merely an opinion, but agree or disagree, thanks to everyone who is breaking the mold of a generic wrestler. I do appreciate the creativity, as the continuity of an original gimmick is much more challenging than writing up a decent promo. Keep it up, gentlemen biggrin
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:42 pm
...So hold up.
You're saying we should push characters that break the conventional mold...and cite myself (who is running a medieval-style gimmick) and Three (who...well, demon) as guys who do fit the mold?
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:51 pm
Dion Necurat ...So hold up. You're saying we should push characters that break the conventional mold...and cite myself (who is running a medieval-style gimmick) and Three (who...well, demon) as guys who do fit the mold? No, I actually referenced you guys as people who did break the mold and are tremendous contributors/characters, partly due to the uniqueness you guys bring to the table. Da Frozen One We have a lot of guys like the Number Three, Salem Croft, and Dion Necurat who are rewarded for their proficient writing abilities and unique characters, and rightfully so!
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:57 pm
Vaseline Man is in a title match currently. I am pushing him to the moon. I've put Tiger Hat in multiple title shot situations. I PUSH EVERYTHING AJ.
But seriously; I agree, and I heavily disagree. There's an issue with just pushing the gimmicks for the sake of them being gimmicks. Some gimmicks lack longevity. Some lack the skills to get them off the ground. Some just aren't championship material, and I don't mean that to be a d**k. But can you see Whale Helmet being a champion? It can happen, sure. But it's highly unlikely.
Honestly, I'm all for different gimmicks getting pushed. I do everything I can to make sure that people see that their work is appreciated (as the Best of 2013 shows). However, I'm not gonna throw rewards are people for creativity when they're not putting in the same amount of effort and work into their matches/promos as someone else. For example, you can come up with one of the most original promos ever. But if I see Cartwright being himself, pumping out the quality of work he does constantly? I'm giving Cartwright that push first.
I'm not saying "Quantity over Quality," but there needs to be a proper mix of both. Not either or. I may have diverge offcourse there, but I think you get it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:00 pm
Punkology Vaseline Man is in a title match currently. I am pushing him to the moon. I've put Tiger Hat in multiple title shot situations. I PUSH EVERYTHING AJ. But seriously; I agree, and I heavily disagree. There's an issue with just pushing the gimmicks for the sake of them being gimmicks. Some gimmicks lack longevity. Some lack the skills to get them off the ground. Some just aren't championship material, and I don't mean that to be a d**k. But can you see Whale Helmet being a champion? It can happen, sure. But it's highly unlikely. Honestly, I'm all for different gimmicks getting pushed. I do everything I can to make sure that people see that their work is appreciated (as the Best of 2013 shows). However, I'm not gonna throw rewards are people for creativity when they're not putting in the same amount of effort and work into their matches/promos as someone else. For example, you can come up with one of the most original promos ever. But if I see Cartwright being himself, pumping out the quality of work he does constantly? I'm giving Cartwright that push first. I'm not saying "Quantity over Quality," but there needs to be a proper mix of both. Not either or. I may have diverge offcourse there, but I think you get it. You do push everyone, Shanahan. Shame on you! xd but I understand the point you're making. I just imagine that playing the role of a Whale Helmet, Hugh Jass, or Vaseline Man as much more difficult. Is it taken a bit more lightly, due to it being a comedy gimmick? Sure, but they have to overcome the challenge of getting the comedy gimmick over through quality promos and matches. It's a self-inflicted handicap but a selfless act of entertainment, if you will.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:42 pm
It's not just comedic characters though. There are just some characters that don't have the longevity to get pushed. The person behind it? Sure, if they have a character that isn't just for some quick storylines. I may be using bad examples, but they're there.
At the end of the day, I'm all for pushing creativity and new things. But, nothing trumps activity. I don't care how great and unique a character is if they're getting auto-hit every week, not signing up for roll calls, or not even putting any effort into promos.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:33 pm
even if a character is simple it has layers like an ogre... or an onion 
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:13 pm
Tamake-Sempai even if a character is simple it has layers like an ogre... or an onion I don't know why I laughed as much as I did but 10/10 thank you
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:31 pm
Da Frozen One Tamake-Sempai even if a character is simple it has layers like an ogre... or an onion I don't know why I laughed as much as I did but 10/10 thank you 
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:50 pm
I push everyone regardless of their gimmick, it's just a matter of things falling into place.
People like Duality, Three, Dion, Salem (when he's actually active), Major, pretty much everyone that has been in EWA long enough has been pushed
Fox, Summers just won a world title in EWA
but I agree with Matt on this, gimmicks need longevity and when they're getting stale they need to reinvent themselves.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:47 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:56 pm
WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK. #WHALESINWALES
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:56 pm
Da Frozen One In the WWE, we see many guys like John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Batista, etc. get pushed to the moon. However, their gimmicks aren't really too different from one another. In fact, it is safe to say they don't even have characters, just nicknames. Guys like Fandango, Zack Ryder, and Damien Sandow are all capable of putting on great matches and they have original gimmicks, but are kept on the very low portion of the card and face the possibility of being future endeavored by the end of the year. Ryder pushed himself, WWE didn't like it and instakilled it because he was more over than Cena Fandango got over, got concussed, that was the end of that Sandow got over, people loved him. However him being a heel was a problem, rather than make him face or an even better heel they decided to ax that It's not so much of the person but creative
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:18 am
Yukari Clepsydra Da Frozen One In the WWE, we see many guys like John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Batista, etc. get pushed to the moon. However, their gimmicks aren't really too different from one another. In fact, it is safe to say they don't even have characters, just nicknames. Guys like Fandango, Zack Ryder, and Damien Sandow are all capable of putting on great matches and they have original gimmicks, but are kept on the very low portion of the card and face the possibility of being future endeavored by the end of the year. Ryder pushed himself, WWE didn't like it and instakilled it because he was more over than Cena Fandango got over, got concussed, that was the end of that Sandow got over, people loved him. However him being a heel was a problem, rather than make him face or an even better heel they decided to ax that It's not so much of the person but creative You do have to admit, though, that the last person to hold the WWE Championship who had an "out of this world" gimmick might go as far back as Rey Mysterio (who's gimmick is nothing more than his Lucha Libre offense and being an underdog). The times are shifting towards a more realistic feel, and that's fine, but it's putting everyone's gimmick into a melting pot I'm going a bit off topic. I just wanted to encourage those folks who are using innovative characters
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:01 am
Da Frozen One You do have to admit, though, that the last person to hold the WWE Championship who had an "out of this world" gimmick might go as far back as Rey Mysterio (who's gimmick is nothing more than his Lucha Libre offense and being an underdog). The times are shifting towards a more realistic feel, and that's fine, but it's putting everyone's gimmick into a melting pot I'm going a bit off topic. I just wanted to encourage those folks who are using innovative characters No, I beg to differ, as Rey's gimmick wasn't what it used to be and his was a pity reign. To put a play on words, the last person with an 'out of this world' gimmick for the WWE title would be RVD Further back would be Mankind, then Kane, Sycho Sid then Taker then Warrior That'd probably be what you'd get 'Out of this World' wise. I'd say people like Sheamus, Edge, Jericho, Punk, D Bry probably broke the mold of a stereotypical champion But that's 50+ years of history While in EWA Joshua Danielson broke the mold as a stereotypical champion then Lauri Henry, Kodiak, Amaze, Draven, Duality, Three, Fox, Summers for 'gimmicky' champions While Landry and King were champions that did gimmicky things during their reigns Sprocket had St. Joey, Major, Dion, Lauri, Shanahan and this is just history from 08 really So compare and contrast, this isn't counting midcard or tags Fed wise it's about many things Longevity Activity Re-Inventing Presentation Integration Narration Guts/Gimmick/Growth It goes for any character, any gimmick, any storyline (yes the initials are intentional, but the meaning behind it is not)
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