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Kuudere-senpai

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:53 pm


I was just wondering if there is a good list online of animal totems and their meaning. For spirit guides as well~

Also, I've found one that is interesting, but little skeptic about. >.<
Are dragons considered Fertility based? Lol. I never thought of a dragon standing for fertility, but I suppose maybe there isn't a set and known list of meanings for so many animals. Most will mean or stand for the same things.

Idk. I'm googling a bunch of stuff on animism and animal totems and spirit guides.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:19 pm


'Totem' isn't a term for a person's individual spirit guide or animal spirit. It refers to a specific spirit that guides a familial line - as in a particular family, or group of families such as a clan, will have a totem spirit.

So - if you have a totem, then it's because of the family or clan you're a member of. The Anishinaabe clans are the ones that immediately come to mind, for me. That varies pretty dramatically between peoples and cultures. Not everyone will have one, or think of them the same ways.

What you find online is usually a new-age pastiche of appropriated beliefs from multiple cultures sort of mushed together into some sort of generic information. I don't find very much of what's online useful, unless you're approaching it from a very specific cultural perspective, and you know enough about what you're reading to both a) be able to recognize what's someone's personal experience (YMMV from that) and b) sift through the piles of horseshit out there. whee

Morgandria
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Kuudere-senpai

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:52 pm


I was wondering about the totem thing~ Theres a site, that says you can have a birth totem.
I mostly felt more drawn to their information on the medicine wheel which had animals as nautical directions~ North, South, East & West. This I really liked! And it doesn't seem to have to have a specific deity to have a medicine wheel altar. But again this site did have the same information for totems and how to find one and do you have one stuff. So I'll have to come back to this altar thing~ =D

Link Here. -- You'll notice the links for the totems on the other side. There is a page two to the medicine wheel.

Spirit Guide information of all sorts! Bottom of page you'll see a link to a list of a lot of different animals and plenty of information on ones throughout history and etc. This one is an interesting read so far, and seems more reliable than the last link.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:27 pm


Kuudere-senpai
I was wondering about the totem thing~ Theres a site, that says you can have a birth totem.
I mostly felt more drawn to their information on the medicine wheel which had animals as nautical directions~ North, South, East & West. This I really liked! And it doesn't seem to have to have a specific deity to have a medicine wheel altar. But again this site did have the same information for totems and how to find one and do you have one stuff. So I'll have to come back to this altar thing~ =D

Link Here. -- You'll notice the links for the totems on the other side. There is a page two to the medicine wheel.

Spirit Guide information of all sorts! Bottom of page you'll see a link to a list of a lot of different animals and plenty of information on ones throughout history and etc. This one is an interesting read so far, and seems more reliable than the last link.


Eeeh.
Those are both pretty good (BAD) examples of generic New-Age misappropriation of 'Native American Spirituality'. I'm disinclined to recommend either of them.

The first one, seems based on Plains (Sioux, I think) culture in its' symbolism and lore, but manages to smush in some non-Native stuff about 'Ether' and 'Spirit'. It's pretty generic. I'm inclined to distrust it simply because it isn't a Native website. It's a new-age website.

The second one just...I can't even. It's all over the damn place. A totem spirit isn't a Patronus or personal protector. Karmic debt and other dharmic concepts have no place or connection to Native teachings. Toss in a reference to an Irish goddess, and it's an absolute mess.

The idea of spirit animals or guides does not belong solely to the aboriginal peoples of North America. Lots of different cultures also considered certain animals powerful or helpful in spirit, and highly emblematic within their own symbolism. And since you can work with animal spirits in other, open cultures that haven't been exploited time and again, it's really very wrong for these new-age spiritualities to appropriate Native symbolism and spirituality for their own use. It's also frustrating that they help muddy the water about the differences between the different peoples and their individual traditions, since they tend to homogenize Native cultures down to the same sweetgrass braid-medicine wheel-dance regalia-drum circle pudding.

There won't be a deity of the medicine wheel. Some peoples might have deities who fit a medicine-wheel structure (ie. there's a god for each direction). I'd say most don't, either by dint of not being a people for whom the medicine wheel is an original concept, or that they don't have the concept of deities like you find in Neopaganism. At best you'd be shoehorning one concept into the other, either way you try. However, the medicine wheel does have its' own spirits, rather than deities, placed in each of the quarters. If you try working with the medicine wheel, you will likely come into contact with those spirits.

When I'm looking for resources online that are Native I always try to find websites that are Native-run, particularly those run by schools or other Native educational resources. They are
generally more reliable, without having a lot of new-age things to sift through as well, and come with the bonus of teaching inside the context of the culture, rather than being outside of it.

Morgandria
Crew

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Kuudere-senpai

Desirable Shapeshifter

PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:52 pm


Morgandria

I've read quite of bit of the second site, and found a lot of fluff I suppose. Haha. Not just with spirit animals and guides bit with all the other tags on the side as well. Some I've recognised, but then a lot of it was compared to Harry Potter! gonk They even had a few pictures of Harry Potter Logos. I'm not much of a HP fan to begin with.

Its all does seem to be smooshed together! I think so far I've only found one really good native american site for heritage and tradition wise. Maybe a little history too. I know there are PLENTY of books and resource books out there on language, history and etc. Wiki seems to be the most reliable source for anything native american.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:38 pm


In Heathenry we have fylgjur which are sort of like... you know those animal spirit things in The Golden Compass? Sort of like those, but also part of you, and kind of like a totem sort of in that they could run in families. It's all tied into other Heathen concepts like your wyrd and your Hamingja (or luck). Unfortunately there's some cross-over with other concepts as well like female ancestral spirits, and there's no way to really get clarification so it's a bit confusing wink

If you want some real basic stuff on what animals could symbolise, "Animal Speak" by Ted Andrews is OK. But remember different societies viewed animals in different ways smile

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