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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:00 pm
How to grade your dog's food Start with a grade of 100: 1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points 2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points 3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points 4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source,subtract 5 points 5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice", "brewer's rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points 6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points 7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points 8 ) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3points 9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points 10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2 points 11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points 12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points 13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points 14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to beef), subtract 1 point 15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point Extra Credit: 1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points 2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points 3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points 4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points 5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points 6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points 7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points 8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points 9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points 10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point 11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point 12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "beef" [etc.]as 2 different sources), add 1 point 13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point 14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point 94-100+ = A 86-93 = B 78-85 = C 70-77 = D 69 = F So... What does your food score? I feed my cats Innova and Californa Natural dry. It's not quite the same as dog food, but the rough score (A, B, etc.) is about the same. Innova: 99 A CA Natural: 90 B CA Natural socres a little low, mostly because it is an EXTREMELY simple food (i.e. less than 10 ingredients total). I don't like it too much, but the simplicity is essential for two of my cats- One with allergies, one with UTI problems.
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:12 am
Wow! I wish i had my dogs food here so i could check that! (But, woe is me, they are back home i miss them so!) That's really interesting. I feed my dogs Hill's Science Diet, which is endorsed by the Australian Veterinary Association, one is on Light (as she used to be a little bit overweight and this food is designed to maintain optimum weight for dogs who are prone to gaining it) and my other dog is on Oral Care (as she has inherited the dodgy mouth of the Maltese, to some extent, and has rotated molars.)
I've been feeding it for 2 years now and have been blown away by the changes it has had on the health of my dogs. They were both prone to diarrhea when i had them on "Pedigree" dog food, they also had very bad breath, it also means i don't have to brush their teeth as often!
Does anyone else feed Hills?
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:57 am
I did the Light version, as I can't find the ingredients for the oral care one online.
-5 "mill run" grain -3 contains corn -2 contains soybeans -10 non specific animal source (digest) -2 corn in top 5 ingredients -1 contains salt -3 for the ground peanut hulls. That's just a filler, no nutritional value at all, just like corn.
So...
Total score is 74, D.
Science Diet is reccomended by vets, but keep in mind that vets recieve about zero training on nutrition. Hill's makes a lot of prescription food, so naturally vets end up selling a lot of it, and thinking the normal foods are healthy.
Really, Science Diet is just an expensive, fancy version of Purina.
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:21 am
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:26 am
Savage Destiny I did the Light version, as I can't find the ingredients for the oral care one online. -5 "mill run" grain -3 contains corn -2 contains soybeans -10 non specific animal source (digest) -2 corn in top 5 ingredients -1 contains salt -3 for the ground peanut hulls. That's just a filler, no nutritional value at all, just like corn. So... Total score is 74, D. Science Diet is reccomended by vets, but keep in mind that vets recieve about zero training on nutrition. Hill's makes a lot of prescription food, so naturally vets end up selling a lot of it, and thinking the normal foods are healthy. Really, Science Diet is just an expensive, fancy version of Purina. I have Hill's Science diet Puppy formula and I got 88(B) but maybe I didn't do it right. -10 by-product -3 ground whole grain corn -2 soybeans -1 salt +2 hormone free antibotic free +2 for diff animal protein source. Edit: "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Science Diet puppy original Dog food provides complete and balanced nutrition for growing puppy's and gestating or lactating adult female dogs"
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:30 am
We use to feed my dog something else I forget what it was called but he kept stealing the cats science diet oral care food and we where told in thelong run it could be bad for him because the ph level was diff, so we got him his own science diet food and he loves it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:10 am
CrazyCatExtreme I have Hill's Science diet Puppy formula and I got 88(B) but maybe I didn't do it right. -10 by-product -3 ground whole grain corn -2 soybeans -1 salt +2 hormone free antibotic free +2 for diff animal protein source. Edit: "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Science Diet puppy original Dog food provides complete and balanced nutrition for growing puppy's and gestating or lactating adult female dogs" Yes, but Gravy Train and Alpo also say that they provide complete and balanced nutrition. Also, do you have proof that the meat used is hormone and antibiotic free? Usually only holistic foods are, and Science Diet is not holistic, nor have I ever heard them claim that their meat was hormone-free. I don't think you did it right, either... Scoring the Puppy Chicken formula, I came up with: -3 corn -2 corn in first 5 ingredients -10 non-specific animal source (animal fat) -10 non specific animal source (digest) -3 more corn (maize gluten meal) -2 animal fat other than fish oil -1 salt Total score: 69, F. I got the ingredients list from the Science Diet website. The food also contains beet pulp, which is very dangerous in dog food, as it can contribute to bloat.
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:21 am
Savage Destiny CrazyCatExtreme I have Hill's Science diet Puppy formula and I got 88(B) but maybe I didn't do it right. -10 by-product -3 ground whole grain corn -2 soybeans -1 salt +2 hormone free antibotic free +2 for diff animal protein source. Edit: "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Science Diet puppy original Dog food provides complete and balanced nutrition for growing puppy's and gestating or lactating adult female dogs" Yes, but Gravy Train and Alpo also say that they provide complete and balanced nutrition. Also, do you have proof that the meat used is hormone and antibiotic free? Usually only holistic foods are, and Science Diet is not holistic, nor have I ever heard them claim that their meat was hormone-free. I don't think you did it right, either... Scoring the Puppy Chicken formula, I came up with: -3 corn -2 corn in first 5 ingredients -10 non-specific animal source (animal fat) -10 non specific animal source (digest) -3 more corn (maize gluten meal) -2 animal fat other than fish oil -1 salt Total score: 69, F. I got the ingredients list from the Science Diet website. The food also contains beet pulp, which is very dangerous in dog food, as it can contribute to bloat. crying
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:28 pm
Wow i didn't think it would score so low. I knoow that the oral care has a fair amount of fat, but thats because the benefit of that kibble is actually in its structure rather than content, and the light has a lot of filler, because it's designed to make the dog feel fuller, without gaining weight.
I'll keep feeding it however, because they are obviously benefiting from it, judging by how well they are doing.
How many dog food labels tell you that they use organic meat and pesticide free vegetables? I think they would be expensive!
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:29 am
Cassandra_the_Prophetess Wow i didn't think it would score so low. I knoow that the oral care has a fair amount of fat, but thats because the benefit of that kibble is actually in its structure rather than content, and the light has a lot of filler, because it's designed to make the dog feel fuller, without gaining weight. I'll keep feeding it however, because they are obviously benefiting from it, judging by how well they are doing. How many dog food labels tell you that they use organic meat and pesticide free vegetables? I think they would be expensive! Most don't say it on the package, but websites do most of the time. Sometimes the package will say that the food is holistic, and 99% of the time that means its organic, too. And yes, they are expensive (I pay $16 for a 6lb bag of Innova) but the price is worth it. The way I see it, my animals don't know what's healthy for them and what's not, so I have to make sure that they get the absolute best food possible.
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:07 pm
I got 86 for the Purina Alpo Beef, Chicken, liver, and cheese mix. I guess it's an adult mix, doesn't state. neutral But my dog is adult.
If anybody could or would like I can write up the ingredients and PM them or post them. It would be a great help, thanks.
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:22 pm
*wince* The lamb-and-rice Iams my dogs are on scored a 47. I think I'll take this to Mom and see if I can't get her to switch, but I doubt it. Alas, I'm not the one buying the dog food.
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:27 am
My first dog ate the metro or loblaws made dog food. And he got fed wtv we had for leftover. Everyone seems to be afraid their dog will die of cancer or something if they don't feed them the really expensive healthy food. But we had him put down because of his glaucoma and other than that he was perfectly healthy. (The vet kept asking if we brush his teeth, he was amazed how white they where. Our secret, no we didn't brush his teeth, we gave him stake bones to chew on, not the T bones cause they can choke on those.)
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:40 pm
CrazyCatExtreme My first dog ate the metro or loblaws made dog food. And he got fed wtv we had for leftover. Everyone seems to be afraid their dog will die of cancer or something if they don't feed them the really expensive healthy food. But we had him put down because of his glaucoma and other than that he was perfectly healthy. (The vet kept asking if we brush his teeth, he was amazed how white they where. Our secret, no we didn't brush his teeth, we gave him stake bones to chew on, not the T bones cause they can choke on those.) You're right, dogs can survive on low quality food. They do it all the time. However, the difference between living on low quality and high quality food is like the difference between someone who lives on fast food and someone who maintains a balanced diet. Dogs will simply not be as healthy as they can be when eating a low quality diet. Also, some low quality foods contain BHA or BHT (preservatives) which are known for causing cancer. Oddly enough, BHA is also commonly found in chewing gum. And, please tell me you were not feeding your dog cooked bones. Cooked bones, no matter what kind, can splinter and puncture the esophagus or intestines. They are not safe. Edit: Sola, I think switching foods wouldn't be too hard for you. Iams is very expensive compared to most commercial foods- Around my area, at least, a bag of Innova is only a dollar or two more than a bag of Iams.
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:25 pm
Savage Destiny CrazyCatExtreme My first dog ate the metro or loblaws made dog food. And he got fed wtv we had for leftover. Everyone seems to be afraid their dog will die of cancer or something if they don't feed them the really expensive healthy food. But we had him put down because of his glaucoma and other than that he was perfectly healthy. (The vet kept asking if we brush his teeth, he was amazed how white they where. Our secret, no we didn't brush his teeth, we gave him stake bones to chew on, not the T bones cause they can choke on those.) You're right, dogs can survive on low quality food. They do it all the time. However, the difference between living on low quality and high quality food is like the difference between someone who lives on fast food and someone who maintains a balanced diet. Dogs will simply not be as healthy as they can be when eating a low quality diet. Also, some low quality foods contain BHA or BHT (preservatives) which are known for causing cancer. Oddly enough, BHA is also commonly found in chewing gum. And, please tell me you were not feeding your dog cooked bones. Cooked bones, no matter what kind, can splinter and puncture the esophagus or intestines. They are not safe. Edit: Sola, I think switching foods wouldn't be too hard for you. Iams is very expensive compared to most commercial foods- Around my area, at least, a bag of Innova is only a dollar or two more than a bag of Iams. Told Mom and she was horrified. Next time we go shopping, I'm coming along to comparison-shop.
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