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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:26 am
Thinking about Thinking A Philosophical Discussion Thread Welcome to the thread of philosophical discussions. This will be very much like our previous thread called "Friendly Banter," but with a few rules. There will be no arguing or belittling of other people's theories. Think of Socrates' noble admittance of being ignorant and asking for help - do not become cocky and move beyond that! This is not a showdown. Let's be civilized about it and create a peaceful atmosphere in which we can share our personal beliefs and philosophies, as well as what we've learned (for those who make a study of it).
With that said, this is created in honour of the Daughter of Water, due to her extensive knowledge on the unknown; in the honour of the Daughter of Earth, for her wisdom and compassion; of the Daughter of Air, for her strict virtues; and in honour of the Daughter of Fire, for her hedonistic life-views. Everything in all is a part of philosophy and should be shared and taught and studied.
As Epicurus once written to Menoeceus, " For no age is too early or too late for the health of the soul. And to say that the season for studying philosophy has not yet come, or that it is past and gone, is like saying that the season for happiness is not yet or that it is now no more. Therefore, both old and young alike ought to seek wisdom..."
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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:30 am
First topic: What is your view on Heraclitus' claim, "Ever-newer waters flow on those who step into the same rivers," hence you cannot step into the same river twice? Is everything in constant flux or do things ever remain the same? This may be taken into any context - both physical and psychological.
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:30 am
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:12 am
I think what is meant by Heraclitus is that; although a situation might seem similar, no two situations are the same. As events in life consists of a massive amount of systems and subsystems, with even more unknowns and variables, this statement isn't at all too obnoxious. Its implications and interpretations are up for grabs though, and I expect different people to take different messages from it. One possible implication is that one should never enter any situation over confidently, be wary of all the different possible outcomes and be ready for anything.
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:17 am
JP, our lecturer, also said something in the line of: if things change constantly, then humans should too. Therefore, the question stands: with every day that passes, are we really still ourselves (the person we started as) deep down in the end?
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:33 am
It is generally thought amongst Men that the universe is static in form and direction of flow to causality's end. For thought processes based on natural, biological substrates are inclined to see only the facade of reality as perceived with vision, the limited gaze. To break this spell, of assumptions ruling over perception in the mind, contemplation is needed. The sway of change stirs both the mental and the physical, as the mental is superseded upon the physical. Basest of the particles conjoined to form a whole in the world abroad, is encoded within: entropy, change and a whim to be replaced. All structures that lays in the spectrum of causality is at its heart models with parts. In this very revelation lays the truth of the matter: If a model has parts then it is but the sum of its parts and those parts can be supplanted and inter-joined. The replacement and reassignment of atoms goes forth on time intervals related to the part. With this process of change in all that goes about only persona's of people remain, an illusion to the untrained. The original form of a personality comes into doubt for the substrate upon which it is superseded is in flux by means of collisions, the architect of change.
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:09 pm
Yes, anyway. You do realise that, until you stop violating rule 3 of the 5 rules for definition by genus and subclass, no one will really bother providing a satisfying counter-argument. Just saying. Moving on. c:
Here's a juicy little subject which will be more of a challenge to disprove than to agree with.
Can you disprove the problem of evil despite your current religion or possibly cynical beliefs?
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” -- Epicurus
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:14 pm
Stating, by unsubstantiated and inapplicable references, that a participant of a discussion has brought forth logic fallacies and then strategically negating further debate on the matter can easily be perceived as a faux pas. Here follows my answer to the new topic at hand: Many a view in the world abroad casts evil in the light as an absolute power. Many a view casts evil against good in a spectrum of moral orientation. These views has roots in ages past when mankind did not justly understand the world, unknown, unfold around them. Attributes and the metaphysical were assigned, to problems not yet mastered, to placate their fears of superstitious dread. In the age of the modern world, anew in thought, new revelations has been revealed about the thinking of mankind. Central to these revelations is the helm of thought: the brain, biological substrate of thoughts brought to being. Quintessential evil states such as psychopathy is but mutations or malfunctions, as yet to be discovered, in the brain at large. The code of action by which the helm of thought is directed is based upon the structure of the brain itself. Choices is based purely upon a substrate of a yes/no paradigm and structural changes steers the result in one perceived as evil. Evil as a thought and a thought as a computational aspect of a biological substrate bound by change negates the view of evil as absolute.
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:06 am
I don't need to substantiate. It was just my way of kindly asking you to type a little less text-book-like. No harm done. This is supposed to be fun, after all, and not a display of vocabulary and/or style of writing. It can be argued that, what's the use of writing for pleasure when nobody can understand what you're trying to say. You can think of me as inferior all you want, I don't care - just thought I'd let you know to make your arguments a bit more clear. Write as you would speak.
Evil is absolute does not entirely disprove the problem of evil in context of Epicurus' reasoning. Even though I do agree with the use of mythical thinking that creates superstitious dread, it does not explain why an omnipotent and all-loving god (he speaks about Greek gods, by the way - this is around 4 (or something with the letter 4) years before Christ).
One would have to argue that in order to give man free will, the god had to allow evil so that man could have the choice. What do you think?
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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:19 am

I now declare this a temporary "unofficial" contest topic.
New discussion topics: 1) Define stupidity. 2) What do you think is the best moral code (may include philosophies based on religion if you like) and why? Share some key principles to substantiate. (This is not a debate topic, but rather one of sharing and getting to know the other guildies.) 3) How should one pursue happiness and what does happiness mean to you? 4) If you could choose to live on another inhabitable planet, what would you take with you, who (what type of people, not necessarily specific persons) would you ask to go with you, and why? What and who would be the ingredients to form the ideal society if we could start anew?
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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:57 am
First, let me begin by separating stupidity from being stupid.
People are different, we all have different physical bodies, and thus different brains, which means a difference in intelligence. Being blunt, you get very smart people, you get very stupid people and in between you get a full spectrum of different levels.
Now for stupidity, a person of who wasn't gifted with intelligence, who acts stupid, obviously relative to someone who notices it and has to be then of greater intellect, can't necessarily be labelled as stupidity. Because that person does not have the power to calculate better actions, they simply make do with what they have. Following that principle, stupidity can be defined as a person with sufficient intelligence to complete a given task, but then chooses not to use that intelligence, resulting in the task not being completed or done poorly. This can be applied to life, a person gifted with intelligence who does not use it to it's full power to improve in life, is the definition of stupidity.

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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:02 am
Comment on the others too. Haha It's not quite fair if you post the theory we've discussed and decided on, and produce no new insights.
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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:11 am
My bad, haha but I'm getting the others. Just answering in sections because it's not my pc.
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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:16 am
So, best moral code. I don't think there's one absolute moral code which covers every possible situation in the best possible way, rather I would suggest mixing the moral code of different philosophies and religions.
Personally, I grew up in a christian house, thus the foundation of my moral compass is built upon many of the basic ideas such as respect others, honor agreements, don't lie, don't commit adultery etc etc. Obviously as I grew a little bit wiser I started to reason why those are necessary. Most have an obvious reason if you entertain the thought for a while, greed for example, if you always want more you'll never live a satisfying life because by definition being satisfied means not wanting more. Or adultery, sleeping with every person you meet will lead to the inevitable outcome of having no respect for people or yourself and not being able to form close bonds.
Obviously situations arises where you can't simply say something is right or wrong, and that's where I take a more utilitarian approach. The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few. Obviously not in a very drastic way, logic still applies, can't always give people what they want.

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Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:07 am
Genrin619 Count from Nov. 10 at end of week for points.
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