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 Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:18 am
I'm seeing that the reason why so many don't see the harm in women and even young girls dressing provocatively is they don't see the direct consequences on both sexes. What do you think about females wearing revealing clothing? Do you think it's only appropriate for certain ages? Why?
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:57 am
I've been reading up on this and found that there's more to wanting a woman to dress modestly than just old fashioned or religious morals. Studies are showing that young girls who wear sexy [or "cute" according to the enthusiasts] clothing are more likely to have low self esteem as a result. There's a lot of pressure for girls to hold up to today's standards of an attractive woman. That means purging your eating habits to keep your weight in check. You know, you don't want to reach your sweet 14 single. Gotta get those boys attention.
But girls aren't the only victims. Boys who grow up seeing girls who dress so sexually have a tendency to view women as objects. These are both very damaging effects on relationships as adults.
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:12 am
I would be interested to read these studies. Is this causation, or correlation?
Personally I think everyone should be able to wear whatever they like. I also think referring to young women as "victims" for their clothing choices is offensive and dehumanising.
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:00 am
A-B0T I've been reading up on this and found that there's more to wanting a woman to dress modestly than just old fashioned or religious morals. Studies are showing that young girls who wear sexy [or "cute" according to the enthusiasts] clothing are more likely to have low self esteem as a result. There's a lot of pressure for girls to hold up to today's standards of an attractive woman. That means purging your eating habits to keep your weight in check. You know, you don't want to reach your sweet 14 single. Gotta get those boys attention. That's a really bad deduction, regardless of your stance on the issue. Correlation does not imply causation, as they say. I'm more attracted to the idea that women who do so do so because of low self esteem, not the other way around. Women have, historically, always been very insecure on average, doing anything they can to be what is their contemporary day's facade of attractiveness. This comes in fashion fads, mannerisms, viewpoints, accents, music taste, and especially in body dimorphism. This is nothing new, this has been going on for as long as sentience has been a thing, and arguably before. Quote: But girls aren't the only victims. Boys who grow up seeing girls who dress so sexually have a tendency to view women as objects. These are both very damaging effects on relationships as adults. Also bad deductive skills. Women have always been viewed as objects. Things that happen are more or less a result of that, not the other way around.
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:15 am
As others have already stated, post hoc ergo propter hoc (literally "after it, therefore because of it") is a logical fallacy.
But I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and presume that the logical soundness of your argument was not intended to be the central discussion topic of this thread.
I have more of an issue with the assumptions that are made about women based on their clothing than I do with females of any age wearing revealing clothing.
That being said, seeing 12-year-old girls trying to look like 25-year-old call girls does sort of rub me the wrong way. I wish that kids in general wouldn't be in such a hurry to grow up...but when I think back to when I was a teenager, I too engaged in plenty of things that were probably not "age appropriate." Most adolescents want to appear and be treated like adults (or at least they think they do). Youth is wasted on the young.
There are also different standards of modesty, even in the west (as opposed to...say, the Middle East where you're a whore if you're not dressed like a beekeeper). Some people feel that exposed shoulders on girls and women is too revealing, and that skirts and dresses should never be shorter than knee-length. I remember when my sister got married, she and my mother got into some very heated arguments regarding whether or not a strapless wedding dress was appropriate.
Ultimately I think it's most important that girls and women wear clothing that they feel comfortable and confident wearing, and ideally they shouldn't have to worry about whether or not others will make assumptions about their character based on nothing more than the outfit they're wearing.
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:12 pm
I'm not a fan of little girls and teens dressing like they are party girls.
It sends out the wrong message about a person.
Makes you "look" desperate, easy, other bad things...
Granted it is not a Christian like attitude to point out and bash each girl with a suggestive getup we all sin, and it clearly says in the Bible that we shouldn't judge others because we are all guilty of sinning.
I don't see the harm in pointing it out and keeping it tame by saying "oh that looks a bit tacky" or "that looks too over the top". It's better than going out right and calling them a slut, whore, whatever else you can think of.
Kids should try to stay kids as long as they can, they don't need to worry about makeup, skimpy clothes, heels, and other things like that.
And Ladies shouldn't be showing all the goods with one outfit. There is a difference in sexy and trashy, you don't have to display everything you have to be sexy.
Good conversation, being discreet, and keeping things covered is sexy.
Putting it all out and trying too hard like hitting on people and being all up in people's business is tacky.
I'm a tad more lenient than most people when it comes to dressing.
As long as your not letting the boobs hang out, show your crack, or have your crotch out for all to see I usually wont care.
I get annoyed when people's skirts are so short they cant bend over without giving someone a full moon, pants are so tight they have camel-toes and moose-knuckles, sag their pants to show the crack and undies, wear shirts that let the boobs hang out or show the majority of the cleavage, or find it necessary to wear more makeup than a clown, and show 90% of the leg.
I don't care if a little bit of cleavage is shown, if people wear shorts and skirts that are long enough to be tasteful when you bend, when people dress for the body they have and not for the body they want, tube tops ripped jeans strapless dresses I don't care about as long as it's tasteful in how it fits on your body.
You should put some links up for the studies so we can actually see the proof stated by it. It's best to have all the links out and stuff during a discussion, you'll get taken more seriously by others.
But I do agree about how pressured that teen girls are, the media is the devil.
Too much pressure on being overly sexy, stick thin, better wear brand name or your crap... It's terrible and I would never ever want to go back to that age.
I had a lot of really bad experiences due to the pressures and crap from those middle school years. =,="
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High-functioning Werewolf
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:33 am
Our guideline for dress at my church is "come as you are", and for most of us on a Sunday morning, that means blue jeans and a t-shirt, pastor included. We are, generally speaking, not a fancy bunch. But there is a small group of 20-somethings who come in looking like they're wearing the same clothes they went clubbing in the night before. Tiny spandex dresses and gigantic heels. This is only troublesome to me because I choose to be modest. I may not personally like the way they dress, but it's also none of my business to question what they're wearing when they come to God's house. If another member of our congregation looks at these women with lust, that is NOT the fault of those women.
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:54 am
Have to go back to work soon but I'll pull some links later. In the meantime you can research it yourself. I'm not getting at judging people. I understand forgiveness is the way to go but that's not to excuse something that shouldn't be done because it's common or you don't want to seem like a prude. Anyway I have to cut this short. I'll be back with some links.
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:01 pm
A-B0T
Have to go back to work soon but I'll pull some links later. In the meantime you can research it yourself. I'm not getting at judging people. I understand forgiveness is the way to go but that's not to excuse something that shouldn't be done because it's common or you don't want to seem like a prude. Anyway I have to cut this short. I'll be back with some links.
Well, obviously anyone can do their own research, but generally in a forum discussion, when someone asks for your sources, it's because they're curious as to what specific sources you used to arrive at the answers you've posted. And I can't speak for others, but speaking for myself, it has nothing to do with not wanting to seem like a prude. It has to do with simply not being a prude, and more than that, finding dress code to be pretty far down the list of things that pose a serious risk to society.
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:28 am
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:41 pm
A-B0T
Have to go back to work soon but I'll pull some links later. In the meantime you can research it yourself. I'm not getting at judging people. I understand forgiveness is the way to go but that's not to excuse something that shouldn't be done because it's common or you don't want to seem like a prude. Anyway I have to cut this short. I'll be back with some links.
I agree it's wrong to wear revealing clothing even if the majority of the population does it anyway, and the whole doing it to not be a prude is just cowardly. I don't see why other people care if other people view them as a prude for not going with typical society views anyway. There are bigger things to worry about.
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