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X-Yami-no-Ko-X
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:39 am


Ok so last Friday the 13th when I was working with my assistant manager we got on the topic of superstitions and it ended up leading to a discussion about past lives. It wasn't a discussion about trying to learn about them. Just that maybe past lives can influence our present tendencies. Her examples were like if a person's past life had drowned that the present person would have an "unexplained" fear of water. Or that a gay male's past lives were all female.

So I got curious as to what you guys think. Do you think that past lives could subconsciously effect our present life?

Note: I don't know if that seemed to come off like she's anti-gay or not. So I will add that no she is not anti-LGBT. The gay male example came from an experience she had a couple years ago.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:30 am


I think so. I have an utter terror of being buried alive. A friend of mine is terrified of rocks under water... you know, if you're in a boat or kayak and you look over the side through the water and there's rocks at the bottom? She's just terrified of that. It sends her into panic attacks. She's often wondered if she was killed in a shipwreck or something in a past life.

And I've wondered whether, say, a great past sadness might contribute to tendency to depression in this life, or maybe a past terror to anxiety.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:47 am


Sanguina Cruenta
And I've wondered whether, say, a great past sadness might contribute to tendency to depression in this life,

Like if someone lost their entire family from just one cause then committed suicide? Kinda like that?


Its just interesting. But makes me wonder, if the negative can effect us, like giving us the fears, anxiety, or depression, what kind of positives can also effect us? Or is it only biology and the negative that do?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:12 am


I personally feel that past lives affect us in the present. I want to say that we have lessons to learn during this life that comes from past experiences. When we are reborn into the present, it tends to be a jig saw puzzle of what we need to over come.

I think that the negative portions of the past lives are things that we have to work through such as witnessing tragic deaths or losing one's way in spiritual growth. The positive from past lives helps us over come the negative that we deal with. I think we have a great connection to the past that most don't truly see it, just scratching the surface.

I feel that biology has a small role to play like physical appearance and what not.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:19 am


I don't have enough belief in reincarnation one way or another, to say I really believe anything about past lives. But...if they are there, I'm of the opinion that they're irrelevant to who and what we are now. My spirituality isn't dharmic, nor does it involve any concepts of carrying things forward, whether those are lessons or things to remedy. Maybe retaining some memories of past lives seem useful to some people, but for me it's not a lot more than a curiosity.

Some of my experiences some people would call past lives. I instead believe that they may be my ancestors' memories, shared with me for their own purposes.

I also believe time moves in a spiral. Past and future are relative, places may overlap and touch, and what we perceive is equally relative. We may get images from the past - or from the future - and have no way of gauging how far behind or in front they actually may be.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:05 pm


Lonely_Keeper_of Time
I want to say that we have lessons to learn during this life that comes from past experiences. When we are reborn into the present, it tends to be a jig saw puzzle of what we need to over come.

But what if the person is learning the same lessons over and over?

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I think we have a great connection to the past that most don't truly see it, just scratching the surface.

Who do you mean by we?

Morgandria
Some of my experiences some people would call past lives. I instead believe that they may be my ancestors' memories, shared with me for their own purposes.

That's a very interesting thought. Do you think that might be true for all "past life" memories? Or because you don't really have a belief either way you can't say all would be?

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I also believe time moves in a spiral. Past and future are relative, places may overlap and touch, and what we perceive is equally relative. We may get images from the past - or from the future - and have no way of gauging how far behind or in front they actually may be.

I can see where you're coming from with the last statement but could you explain more about time moving in a spiral?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:19 pm


X-Yami-no-Ko-X

That's a very interesting thought. Do you think that might be true for all "past life" memories? Or because you don't really have a belief either way you can't say all would be?


I couldn't say for certain one way or the other. It makes more sense to me as ancestral memory rather than lives I've personally lived, but it could be anything.

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I can see where you're coming from with the last statement but could you explain more about time moving in a spiral?


It's quantum physics, as I understand it. We tend to perceive time in a linear fashion, because we're only aware initially of our own time - a fixed point where we see behind us and in front of us. Then, as we age, we become aware of the cyclical nature of time - that we are part of cycles, whether those are natural cycles such as aging or the seasons, or social cycles, such as our calendars and the holidays and events therein. If you take the point of view that quantum physics puts out that everything stems from one single point in the Universe, and eventually will recede to that point - well, you add more than one revolution to cyclical time - in essence, time moves in a spiral.

It can be complicated by the fact that there may be more than one universe out there, with their own cycles, that might in places touch or overlap our own. In our own spiral of time, points or places may be close enough to touch or overlap - giving you the sense of seeing the future, or experiencing the past.

It is also how I perceive that some Gods who are dead, or who are fated to die in certain ways, are also still alive - they are alive at some point in the spiral, as well as dead in another. The Gods may have a better sense of time than us, and can thus work around certain things this way. It's also, I believe, why events like Ragnarok can happen (or have happened, or will be to happen) - they may repeat themselves over and over as the spiral of time winds around itself. Humans don't have such a developed sense of time, so we're limited in our capacity to perceive the ways that time interacts with space.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:52 pm


Morgandria
It's quantum physics, as I understand it. We tend to perceive time in a linear fashion, because we're only aware initially of our own time - a fixed point where we see behind us and in front of us. Then, as we age, we become aware of the cyclical nature of time - that we are part of cycles, whether those are natural cycles such as aging or the seasons, or social cycles, such as our calendars and the holidays and events therein. If you take the point of view that quantum physics puts out that everything stems from one single point in the Universe, and eventually will recede to that point - well, you add more than one revolution to cyclical time - in essence, time moves in a spiral.

It can be complicated by the fact that there may be more than one universe out there, with their own cycles, that might in places touch or overlap our own. In our own spiral of time, points or places may be close enough to touch or overlap - giving you the sense of seeing the future, or experiencing the past.

It is also how I perceive that some Gods who are dead, or who are fated to die in certain ways, are also still alive - they are alive at some point in the spiral, as well as dead in another. The Gods may have a better sense of time than us, and can thus work around certain things this way. It's also, I believe, why events like Ragnarok can happen (or have happened, or will be to happen) - they may repeat themselves over and over as the spiral of time winds around itself. Humans don't have such a developed sense of time, so we're limited in our capacity to perceive the ways that time interacts with space.

Alright. I had more of an ocean thought on the nature of time. But that could just be because of one book series I read. cat_sweatdrop But it does make sense with nature cycles.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:53 pm


X-Yami-no-Ko-X
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And I've wondered whether, say, a great past sadness might contribute to tendency to depression in this life,

Like if someone lost their entire family from just one cause then committed suicide? Kinda like that?


Its just interesting. But makes me wonder, if the negative can effect us, like giving us the fears, anxiety, or depression, what kind of positives can also effect us? Or is it only biology and the negative that do?


Well, maybe something would bring you great comfort but you don't know why - or perhaps you find something makes you smile and laugh but is not intrinsically funny. Just some possibilities. Then there's the "sehnsucht"-type nostalgia, like the longing for a place you've never been.

Just ideas. It's hard to know. Humans are funny things.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:09 am


X-Yami-no-Ko-X
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I want to say that we have lessons to learn during this life that comes from past experiences. When we are reborn into the present, it tends to be a jig saw puzzle of what we need to over come.

But what if the person is learning the same lessons over and over?


There is always that possibility that people repeat that same lessons. I feel in order for our soul to move forward in its evolution, we need to move past those lessons. I have a few of my own that I am currently learning

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I think we have a great connection to the past that most don't truly see it, just scratching the surface.

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Who do you mean by we?


I mean humans in general. My belief is that we are all connected. I feel that the psychologist Carl Jung had a good point when he said that there is a collective unconscious. We all contribute to a great pool of knowledge. I feel that mediation is one form to tap into it. There is so much there that no one person can truly understand all of it.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:45 pm


Sanguina Cruenta
Well, maybe something would bring you great comfort but you don't know why - or perhaps you find something makes you smile and laugh but is not intrinsically funny. Just some possibilities. Then there's the "sehnsucht"-type nostalgia, like the longing for a place you've never been.

Just ideas. It's hard to know. Humans are funny things.

Huh. Didn't think about that. But I do agree that humans are funny things. But boy do I wish I wasn't one when the stupid piles up.

Lonely_Keeper_of Time
There is always that possibility that people repeat that same lessons. I feel in order for our soul to move forward in its evolution, we need to move past those lessons. I have a few of my own that I am currently learning

But what if you're stuck with those lessons? That you have learned what you're supposed to but life won't toss you the next one?

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I mean humans in general.

Ok. I saw that going down an elitist line of thought. That's why I asked.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:40 am


When I was in private practice, I did a lot of work with past life regression, and part of it was to help a person go back and map out various past lives with the express purpose of determining if there were any particular patterns, which might be affecting their current lives in some way. Also to help let go of, or help overcome any particular attachments that might be hindering them.

If you are interested, you can check out Life Patterns: Soul Lessons and Forgiveness by Henry Leo Bolduc.

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There is always that possibility that people repeat that same lessons. I feel in order for our soul to move forward in its evolution, we need to move past those lessons. I have a few of my own that I am currently learning

But what if you're stuck with those lessons? That you have learned what you're supposed to but life won't toss you the next one?


In theory...once you've learned it you'd move on to whatever was next, and at least be able to move out of that particular lesson "loop". If you are still facing the same/similar pattern, then one still has something more to learn.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:21 pm


too2sweet
In theory...once you've learned it you'd move on to whatever was next, and at least be able to move out of that particular lesson "loop". If you are still facing the same/similar pattern, then one still has something more to learn.

I'm just posing a large "What if...?"
PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:48 am


X-Yami-no-Ko-X
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In theory...once you've learned it you'd move on to whatever was next, and at least be able to move out of that particular lesson "loop". If you are still facing the same/similar pattern, then one still has something more to learn.

I'm just posing a large "What if...?"


No way to really know the answer to that, I would think. I mean I guess if you had the time to map out various lives on a large scale, you might be able to see where (or if) certain patterns stopped repeating.

But in general though, if for some reason you were "stuck" (despite having learned all that you were supposed to), that would essentially mean that the "universe" (or whatever) wasn't functioning properly. Which would worry me more, than just me being stuck in a loop.

But really I don't know that we'd ever really notice it either though.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:12 pm


I think we might, yes, have some "rollover minutes" haha life to life.
I know I remember things that could not have happened in this life as though they did, and distinctly know it was not a dream, but on the subject of dreams I do have repeated dreams from what I believe are from past lives.
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